that WAS really intense, I loved it.alms24sebring wrote:Wow that was really intense. Awesome!
Acecool wrote:Maybe he was Canadian, where you have to walk to the police, especially if its raining! Cop asked him to put hands behind back was kind of uncalled for especially since he was showing his hands, the cop could've been friendlier.
Why didn't he turn on the sirens? And this just goes to show how retarded drivers are, that truck should have payed attention and saw that an emergency vehicle was approaching at a high rate of speed with lights which is about all you see since most cars are really sound-proof!
I'm not praising the guy that stole the car by any means, he drove like s*** and almost lost it several times!
Chaotic_Warlord wrote:3/4 of all departments in this country aren't allowed to use any sort of physical violence to subdue anyone.
Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Under new regulations thanks to p**** a** liberals and thanks to you cop haters 3/4 of all departments in this country aren't allowed to use any sort of physical violence to subdue anyone.
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/default.asp?Item=1374IBCoupe wrote:Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Under new regulations thanks to p**** a** liberals and thanks to you cop haters 3/4 of all departments in this country aren't allowed to use any sort of physical violence to subdue anyone.
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Police Training Model: In 1999, the COPS Office provided funding to PERF and the Reno (Nevada) Police Department to develop an alternative national model for training new officers that would incorporate community policing and problem-based learning techniques. The resulting Police Training Officer (PTO) Program addresses the traditional duties of policing in the context of specific neighborhood problems and includes several segments on the use of force. The PTO Program is an alternative to the 30-year-old San Jose Field Training Officer (FTO) Program. Many agencies are using the outlines of the PTO Program to develop their own in-house programs adapted to their particular needs. The program is available through Regional Community Policing Institutes (RCPIs).
http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforceme ... tinuum.htmContacts between Police and the Public, a 1999 BJS report, estimated that less than half of 1 percent of an estimated 44 million people who had face-to-face contact with a police officer were threatened with or actually experienced force. Other studies report similar statistics. It is these few situations, however, that attract public attention. Robert K. Olsen, former Minneapolis Police Chief and Past President, Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), early in 2004 called the use of force "the single most volatile issue facing police departments." He noted that "just one use of force incident can dramatically alter the stability of a police department and its relationship with a community."
The PTO program was enacted to replace the more aggressive use of force allowed by the FTO. Yes they can and are trained and permitted use of force, however, due to the number of people who file complaints a lot of departments have instituted new rules and several have actually started to require all officers to not only have the dashboard cam, but also a camera and microphone is worn by the officers themselves. Use of force is a touchy subject and instead of sucking it up and telling all the people who file illegal use of force claims to F off, most departments would rather lose face and have their officers go out of their way to not utilize it unless they absolutely have to.The Use-of-Force Continuum
Most law enforcement agencies have policies that guide their use of force. These policies describe a escalating series of actions an officer may take to resolve a situation. This continuum generally has many levels, and officers are instructed to respond with a level of force appropriate to the situation at hand, acknowledging that the officer may move from one part of the continuum to another in a matter of seconds.
An example of a use-of-force continuum follows:
Officer Presence — No force is used. Considered the best way to resolve a situation.
The mere presence of a law enforcement officer works to deter crime or diffuse a situation.
Officers' attitudes are professional and nonthreatening.
Verbalization — Force is not-physical.
Officers issue calm, nonthreatening commands, such as "Let me see your identification and registration."
Officers may increase their volume and shorten commands in an attempt to gain compliance. Short commands might include "Stop," or "Don't move."
Empty-Hand Control — Officers use bodily force to gain control of a situation.
Soft technique. Officers use grabs, holds and joint locks to restrain an individual.
Hard technique. Officers use punches and kicks to restrain an individual.
Less-Lethal Methods — Officers use less-lethal technologies to gain control of a situation.
(See Deciding When and How to Use Less-Lethal Devices. )
Blunt impact. Officers may use a baton or projectile to immobilize a combative person.
Chemical. Officers may use chemical sprays or projectiles embedded with chemicals to restrain an individual (e.g., pepper spray).
Conducted Energy Devices (CEDs). Officers may use CEDs to immobilize an individual. CEDs discharge a high-voltage, low-amperage jolt of electricity at a distance.
Lethal Force — Officers use lethal weapons to gain control of a situation. Should only be used if a suspect poses a serious threat to the officer or another individual.
Officers use deadly weapons such as firearms to stop an individual's actions.
should it be any other way?Chaotic_Warlord wrote:...most departments would rather lose face and have their officers go out of their way to not utilize it unless they absolutely have to.
Given this quote and your subsequent comments/links about use of force (which, btw, still don't seem to say there are laws against using force?), you would've wanted the officer to open fire on this guy? Seemed like there was a decent amount of traffic and other civilians around. Wouldn't you fear for their safety at all with the officer unloading a "full magazine"?Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Had this taken place a couple of years ago the car never would have become a liability because the perp would have gotten a full magazine in his chest or would have been beaten down like the miserable dog he is
So I'm seeing that they are allowed to use force, and there's no mention of "p**** a** liberals" whatsoever. What's driving self-regulation in this regard is, as you admit, public relations, not political pressure. If you're going to make a political rant, there's a forum for that, but you're going to have to be a bit better at it.Chaotic_Warlord wrote:The PTO program was enacted to replace the more aggressive use of force allowed by the FTO. Yes they can and are trained and permitted use of force, however, due to the number of people who file complaints a lot of departments have instituted new rules and several have actually started to require all officers to not only have the dashboard cam, but also a camera and microphone is worn by the officers themselves. Use of force is a touchy subject and instead of sucking it up and telling all the people who file illegal use of force claims to F off, most departments would rather lose face and have their officers go out of their way to not utilize it unless they absolutely have to.
Eh, I think this dude will be the doing the plowing.nissangirl74 wrote:Dude's an idiot. I hope his cell-mate is an ex-linebacker named "Bubb-ette" who likes to play doctor.
Yes, a Police department shouldn't have to worry about saving face or have to fork out money to stupid lawsuits because an arresting officer got a little rough with a belligerent, drunk, or threatening a$$ that got their pride hurt. If you want to play like a big boy and try to hurt an officer on duty or you commit harm or attempt to commit harm on another person you deserve to get smacked down and not have any sort of leg to stand on when you try to file a lawsuit. Yes there are some over zealous cops, but the number of actual duty officers that are this way is microscopically small, and most of them are rookies who think they have something to prove, the rest are just bullies. 95% of all LEO's don't go into work wanting to pull their service pistol or even want to get physical with any person they come across, all they want is to do their shift, protect and serve, and go home to their friends and family at the end of shift. The cop haters like to think that all cops are out to get them, most of them probably have some reason to have the cops out to get them, the rest are either racially motivated or have had one bad run in with an officer who was more than likely having a bad day._b.jaye_ wrote:should it be any other way?Chaotic_Warlord wrote:...most departments would rather lose face and have their officers go out of their way to not utilize it unless they absolutely have to.
IBCoupe wrote:So I'm seeing that they are allowed to use force, and there's no mention of "p**** a** liberals" whatsoever. What's driving self-regulation in this regard is, as you admit, public relations, not political pressure. If you're going to make a political rant, there's a forum for that, but you're going to have to be a bit better at it.
Yes, there are regulations limiting an officer's authority to beat the crap out of you and/or shoot you. Anyone who argues that these limitations shouldn't exist needs to wear a helmet when they go on the internet.
Let me reroute your question, which would you rather have, a trained officer to subdue a violent suspect with the use of deadly force, or risk it and have that violent suspect, that isn't trained in markmanship, get their hands on the officers firearm and just start dispensing lead in random directions possibly killing the officer and/or killing an innocent civilian who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Personally I vote for option A, yes there were a lot of bystanders around, but as is usual with this country anymore, none of them tried to help the cop, especially when it was evident that he was in need of assistance. The guy was taller and bigger than the first cop and was obviously trying to either take the cop down to get his service weapon or was just trying to beat up the cop and get away. Either way he was intent of hurting the cop in one way or another. My question is why didn't his back up jump out of the car immediately, he just sat there and watched for a minute, had he responded properly this would have ended much differently.AppleBonker wrote:Given this quote and your subsequent comments/links about use of force (which, btw, still don't seem to say there are laws against using force?), you would've wanted the officer to open fire on this guy? Seemed like there was a decent amount of traffic and other civilians around. Wouldn't you fear for their safety at all with the officer unloading a "full magazine"?Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Had this taken place a couple of years ago the car never would have become a liability because the perp would have gotten a full magazine in his chest or would have been beaten down like the miserable dog he is
When this happened...InfinitiEric wrote:When did this thread become serious?
redtop91 wrote:Hahahaha this video makes me laugh. Idiot cop. Idiot thief. All dummies.
There is no time to evaluate, especially when a situation escalates. You're lucky if you have 30 seconds to read an entire situation, if it escalates you have 3 seconds to decide if you need to use moderate or deadly force. Anyone who has served in the military, especially in combat will tell you, an innocent looking person can quickly become your worst nightmare in .5 of a second. In the OP's video the officer knew before he got out of the car that this was going to end badly. It's bad when you get out of the car, it's very very bad when you get out of the vehicle and start walking towards to RPC that has stopped you, especially when you are gesturing in an irradic and violent manor._b.jaye_ wrote:when should an officer not take the time to evaluate a situation and respond with appropriate force. "go out of their way" makes it sound like its some huge burdon to assess a situation and respond accordingly and not just fly off the handle & beat the hell out of anyone thats mouthing off. if some's belligerent or drunk, i dont see an immediate need to put their face to the pavement just for those issues. if theyre threatening or resisting, sure, respond accordingly.
although, to me, a bad cop's (a cop unjustly using force) just as much a criminal as a bar-room brawler, so i dont think were gonna find common ground here.
crazy-a** video. carry on