GTR vs ZR1

[300zdett]

i keep seeing 80k vs. 115k. can some one show me where u can get a gtr for 80k??? with the dealer markup of 20 to 30 k that i have been seeing. they are both the sam eprice range. u can leave a chevy dealer paying 110-115k for a zr1.

[SullivanRacing06]

exactly not a fair comparison, $hit, how abou thtis, contact chevy, get a zr1 and race my lil old 240sx! then itll be a 10k car against a what? 120k car? thatd be a fair race rite? let me know if ne one wants to take that super fast on a test drive against my s13

and please bring a video camera

[SullivanRacing06]

lol, r32/r33 gtr swap against chevys most bad @$$ vette ever? so who all here wants to see this go down?

[S13Joe]

lol, r32/r33 gtr swap against chevys most bad @$$ vette ever? so who all here wants to see this go down?

i like how you say alllll this **** about your engine when i dont think anyone on here has even seen it. your one bad *** little kid, let me tell ya... ugh ppl in florida......

[themadscientist]

I would like to see this thread up against one that didn't suck.

[SheldonZ28]

Boy-o-boy-o-boy.

What a fun debate

Not literately. This is a completely retarded comparison, and cant really be made. Is the GTR a better car then the ZR1? screw no!

ZR1 is far more then a hopped up vette. Yes, it is built on a vette platform, the motor shares architecture as the Base Z51 and Z06, but beyond that, the ZR1 blows them all away.

First of all, yes, its a 6.2L Supercharged V8. Its far more then a regular vette motor, it has a factory forged crank, forged rods, forged pistons, 9 layer MLS Head gasket, it has a factory twin disc clutch, etc etc. I could go on forever.

Beyond the motor. Cause the ZR1 is far more then just a mega high hp factory machine. We could get into the suspension differences, the beefed up torque tube, heavy duty transaxle, the fact that the front brakes are the same as the bugatti Veyron, and rears are the same as the Ferarri enzo fronts, and ontop of that, theirs Carbon-Ceramic rotors that will never need replacing.

We can get into carbon fibre body panels on it etc etc.

Want to know the real reason its only .2s faster then a GTR? Take a look at the suspension setup. It takes more then shear power to make a quick car. The suspension setup plays a massive part in how a car launch's, slower launch, slower 1/4.

Beyond that. Yes, $40k into a GTR could make it faster. Big screwing deal.

Add $5k in motor mods (Cam, valvetrain, valve springs, pulley, Tune) you can get the ZR1 FAR past 700rwhp. Its a simple undeniable fact how capable the LS motor series is, its been shown time and time again. With the first LS1, on a basic Cam ($350), CNC head set ($1200) and intake ($750) they can make well over 475rwhp, and doesnt even need a turbo to get there.

Reality, apples to oranges. No comparison, but reality's fact, $40k invested into a GTR, and $40k invested even into a Z06 Vette. Gaurenteed the vette will run circles around a GTR. All down to how cheap and readily avaliable aftermarket parts are.

Yep...Im running a skyline, so im not completely GM bias, but being the fact ive built an LS1 camaro, and my family owns 2 C5 Vette's, i am well aware of the capability of the chassis's, and what the aftermarket looks like on both sides

[mrzabala]

THIS THREAD FAILS

[1990300zxNA]

im sorry are they comparing a 120k car with a 80k car and then saying the GTR has room for improvement?

Seriously? with 99 more WHP all they can do is beat the GTR by .2 sec in the 1/4 and 2 in the lap?

Really? This is the argument they are making?

That was my thought and look at all the stupid ppl that would go with the ZR1 plus the GTRs sexy as titts

[ldstang50]

for those that want to compare the gtr vspec to the zr1here are the numbers coming out on the vspechttp://www.spike.com/blog/2010-nissan-gt-r-v/71124

no hp gains, a little bit of weight savings, but over $160k.those that were saying it wasn't a fair fight because the vette is two seats and $40k more, well you got what you want, a more expensive gtr with only 2 seeats to run against the zr1. i'm sure the zr1 will still beat it in the 1/4mi and still beat it around the ring.now can we see $55k put into a zr1 and run them?I've seen both in person and the zr1 is more stunning and pissed off looking. It also sounds a lot meaner too. The zr1 is going to be a hard car to beat right from the factory.But the fact of the matter is, you take both cars off the street and run, its going to come down to driver, being the GTR is paddle shifted and AWD I'd put my money on the GTR at a run what you brung night just for the fact you know the vette guy will spin and miss gears
Modified by ldstang50 at 9:17 AM 2/6/2009

[Chung35]

why would you add 40k to the vette. The point people are trying to make is that the vette is more expensive, BUT if the gtr had the same price tag as the vette, the gtr would fly in circles around the vette. The vette is clearly more expensive than the GTR. I dont even know why they are comparing something that is 40k more. Oh wait... they are comparing it because the gtr is a better buy, and would last longer. The vette is impressive but there is a reason why the gtr is only priced at 80k.

GTR HAS THE BEST PRICE TAG FOR WHAT YOU ARE BUYING..

[themadscientist]

Oh wait... they are comparing it because the gtr is a better buy, and would last longer.

You of course have proof of this yes?

[nurseryboy]

I agree that this is not a very good comparison. A $40k difference in price is like comparing my Altima Coupe against a base Z06. No kidding there's going to be a difference in performance! Price is arguably the biggest factor when it comes to performance, so it makes more sense to compare vehicles of similar prices, and $40k is far from similar pricing. Normally I would get upset over a comparison of vehicles with such a big difference in price, but this one actually makes me happy, as it shows me that the GT-R is nearly as good (performance-wise) as a car that costs 150% more.

[ldstang50]

, but this one actually makes me happy, as it shows me that the GT-R is nearly as good (performance-wise) as a car that costs 150% more.

150% would make the vette almost $200. The vette is actually about 50% more.You guys are b****ing because the vette costs more right and saying its not fair.What happens when the zr1 beats the now much more expensive and 2seater GTR V Spec?

[nurseryboy]

Sorry, 150% of the cost of the GT-R. No matter how you word it, that's a huge difference in price. Half a vehicles price plus it's original price puts almost all vehicles into a different price/performance range.

And we're not complaining about a ZR1 vs a V-Spec, are we? Right now we're complaining about two cars in two totally different price ranges being compared (and it's not really the comparison that bugs me, but how they present it as being an equal comparison). I wouldn't have even spoken up in this thread if the GT-R was $120k, as then they'd both be in the same ballpark. If/when they do compare a ZR1 and V-Spec, the V-Spec may still loose and some people may still complain, but at least then it'll be a more even comparison and you won't hear a complaint from me.

[ldstang50]

Now before anyone jumps on me and says I'm a bowtie guy and hate the GT-R, I'll disclose by saying I like both cars. And to tell you the truth, I don't know which one I'd choose. I think you'd be stupid to turn down either of them if they were offered to you.Now back on subject, the Gt-R was developed to beat the Porsche at a fraction of the cost. Now for the price the GTR lists at, the only thing that comes somewhat close it is the Z06.So when they compare it to the next closest thing or the new american icon, people b**** that its not a fair fight. Well my question is, how is it not a fair fight? The GT-R was designed and built by Nissan to target high end sports cars and beat them at a fraction of the cost. What the GTR does is nothing short of amazing. But I don't think Nissan ever saw Chevy coming out with a killer Corvette like the ZR-1.

I think if Nissan really wanted to make a statement, they would have done something incredible with the Vspec....like 400lbs lighter, partial cage, alcantara seats and 100more hp and sell it for $100k. But thats a story for another day

[MyNISMO314]

cant wait for the GT-R35 Spec V to come out to spank the ZR1

[Gold Digger]

You do know that the Spec-V is nothing more than an appearence package, right? No performance upgrades at all.

It's a lighter weight vehicle with special wheels and paints, different brake system (I think) and some carbon bits.

That's it.

I don't see how that gonna help make up that much of a time loss on the Ring.

[themadscientist]

what do you know, you drive "dumb" GT-R!

[gloa2000]

Cobalt Steering wheel on $110k supercar...

no thanks

[Gold Digger]

what do you know, you drive "dumb" GT-R!

But at least I have two fully functional hands at the moment...

[noobedloser]

its amazing that the zr1 has a higher price tag, around 100+ hp/torque and yet it barely beats the GT-R...but both are amazing great cars that i will probably never have

[themadscientist]

But at least I have two fully functional hands at the moment...

I can still do some important things.

[Gold Digger]

Age, I.Q.?

What?

[themadscientist]

clutch pedals.

[SullivanRacing06]

id like to see a v spec run against the zr1 thatd be a fair race in my book!

[SullivanRacing06]

You of course have proof of this yes?

haha agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kalypso]

I havent had a chance to read all the ranting yet, but I'll be back later to get my dosage...

either car I dont care...

I just dont like it when people have brand loyalty, and swear to one make...

ls1 s13's will always be hot.

[SullivanRacing06]

id take my single turbo rb26 over any ls1 s13 any day, theres a local guy with a ls1 swap, his car wount touch mine, he already tried

[Kalypso]

in truth I always liked the RB's but its seems like they always have issues... too much oil in the head, blow by and so forth. If not for these suspicions I would own one.

if you know something I dont, please school me. but I also believe that his ls1 block can withstand more abuse at the same horsepower then a 26.

and lastly turbo ls1's are a whole other echelon.

[SullivanRacing06]

yes but then again i dont think his car can do excess of 190 mph?

ive got a built 26 2.8L now with a single turbo t78-33d, i sorta stopped racing cars, i really only mess with bikes from a roll now sorta sad