GT-R owners decieved!!!

[CA-mazing]

i read this on another forum where a guy found this article about the GT-R. you will be astonished and in total AWE!!! but GT-R owners main complaint is, they can't hear thr roar of the engine and exhaust, HAHAHA!!! BELIEVE IT!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0...-much/

[themadscientist]

I still don't care.

[CA-mazing]

i wasn't asking if you cared. i could "careless" what you care about. i just thought it interesting to read, and maybe that no one on here has seen it yet. did you even read the article, or just saw the title and the little bit i typed and decide that you didn't care?

[coreansurfer]

i read this on another forum where a guy found this article about the GT-R. you will be astonished and in total AWE!!! but GT-R owners main complaint is, they can't hear thr roar of the engine and exhaust, HAHAHA!!! BELIEVE IT!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0...-much/

where did you read that they were complaining about that?

i read both articles and didn't catch it.

and yes i agree with this

I still don't care.

i'd still buy it.

[themadscientist]

i wasn't asking if you cared. i could "careless" what you care about. i just thought it interesting to read, and maybe that no one on here has seen it yet. did you even read the article, or just saw the title and the little bit i typed and decide that you didn't care?

Yeah I read it, still don't care. Car manufactureres mistate HP figures all the time. The NSX, Supra and GT-R all had exactly 280PS for years, on paper. Until the new GT-R drops all the gizmos and grows a manual clutch or grows a sweet set of bewbies I will continue to be disinterested.

I find your frustration at my disinterest interesting; does that help?

Oh and "care less" is two words "careless" would be defined by your grammatical error. kisses

[CA-mazing]

you simply put "i still don't care" which i interpreted as "i still don't care". if you would have put "i still don't care, i want one" then i wouldn't have replyed so negetively, i apologize. and the whole thing about GT-R owners complaint, my dad works here at the nissan plant in TN. he's kind of a big deal, and thats what he's heard from the higher ups in his area.

[themadscientist]

but I don't want one

I couldn't find anywhere in the article though where people were complaining. I wouldn't complain about more power. If it was say 480hp on paper though and I was only getting 479.8hp the Dealership would rue the day! I always wanted to threaten someone with that high brow smack talk."you sir will rue the day"! Unless you are in Austrailia where it would be "roo the day".

[Vandrel]

I would much rather own a R32/R33/R34 then a new GTR any day. Screw that rip off. All the money people have paid to buy one of those things and be the first group of owners, could have bought a R32/33/34 and dumped less money into building up the motor pushing more whp then the new GTR is rolling off the lot with.

100k for a new GTR that everyone is going to be rolling around town in another year or less amount of money for a much more rare car pushing same if not more power after building it.

[CA-mazing]

100k for a new GTR that everyone is going to be rolling around town in another year or less amount of money for a much more rare car pushing same if not more power after building it.

base model starts out i believe around 70K. the track tuned version i believe is alil under 80K. and it's not a rip off. the article is saying that owners are getting more bang for their buck. and yes, i'm a big fan of skyline series, R32 GTS is my dream car, just the technology within the GT-R and the power it makes off of a V6 is incredable! even though it is twin IHI turbos, that max out at like 5 psi each, i think. Specs i found say 10.2psi, which i would assume is max. and scientist, you are "mad" for not wanting one. i mean who wouldn't want their HUD designed and engineered by the guys who make Gran Turismo?!

[Briggs]

480 whp or not, I'd rather have the 32-34 as well. I don't want to list off all the things that I hate about the new GTR... But, well I hate the new GTR. Not because it's fast, but because it is no longer a Skyline. The only thing Skyline about it is the tail lights.

70K? Where do you think you are going to find one for 70K, after all the fanboi hype those things will be a lot more than that, they'll probably simmer back down after a year or so. Just look at the Prius. Everybody hopped on the wagon for that and payed 4K over MSRP just to be the first ones to get it.

I wish they would have made the GT-R it own model, and then made the Skyline R35 something closer to it's heritage. Something that actually lets you drive.

Sry, / rant.

[themadscientist]

and scientist, you are "mad" for not wanting one. i mean who wouldn't want their HUD designed and engineered by the guys who make Gran Turismo?!

Real men who bang chicks and don't sip lattes pinkie out while watching the view.

Listen to the FJs and RBs and understand why the new R excites me as much as a Prius.http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=6C3c07MVG-A

500hp from 3.8 liters and more processors and servos than the mars lander? yawn. The FJ can get that from 2 liters and the RB more from 2.6; keep that thing.

[CA-mazing]

wow, you just opened a whole new world to me. i'm still fairly new, but i had no idea there was another engine series, let alone nissan had a rally team?? wish they stilled competed, or last i saw an event on tv, nissan wasn't apart of it. but yea, i just read a ton of stuff about the FJ series and now i would love to have one!! but the site i went to, FJ20.com, couldn't find or maybe didn't see where i could get one. tried typing all the engine models on ebaymotors and nothing came up on any of them. but did read that the FJ20 was kind of a template for the CA. i haven't gotten my CA yet, cuz i'm getting all the stuff i need together first and installing all at once. so what do you think of the CA? i'm gonna drop in a coupe S13, and try to get as orig. S13 as possible.

[Briggs]

You just gotta dig man. Some of the best cars are the ones that people don't know about.

How do you thing the 240sx got so popular in the past few years? Go look up some old Consumer guide reviews of 240sx's. They are aweful, they recommend mitsubishi eclipses and Mazda MX-6's over them (both decent cars). It wasn't until drift became popular on US soil, that the 240sx developed a strong fan base.

Prior to that it was only the people who truely knew about outer marker Nissans who were swapping. I almost bought a 240 back in '02 for close to nothing (shoulda bought it ). Now a 240 in that same condition would cost 2k more because of the fanbase. SR20det's used to be a dime-a-dozen on ebay. now they are alot more.

So with that being said: I'm sure withing the next few years, as the 25 year mark passes over, I'm sure you will see R30's and R31's (first to get the RB motor) start to gain some popularity, and all of a sudden become brand new to everybody. I'd love to have an R30 or R31, I think they are vastly over looked.

[themadscientist]

but did read that the FJ20 was kind of a template for the CA. i haven't gotten my CA yet, cuz i'm getting all the stuff i need together first and installing all at once. so what do you think of the CA? i'm gonna drop in a coupe S13, and try to get as orig. S13 as possible.

The FJ20 and CA18 are completely different. They share nothing. You can see CA18 influences on the RB20 but they are not direct carry overs. The coil on plug, belt driven cam on bucket and crank angle sensor placement. The way the oil pump is mounted and driven use the same technique and the earlt red top RBs had secondary butterfly-actuated ports like the CA18.

The CA is a real pissed off motor, I am not just a fan, I am also a user. My car. New motor is in the works. Some jackass who looks like me got a bit boost happy and blew the head gasket. zerothread?id=254879

[Mr_Coupe]

480 whp or not, I'd rather have the 32-34 as well. I don't want to list off all the things that I hate about the new GTR... But, well I hate the new GTR. Not because it's fast, but because it is no longer a Skyline. The only thing Skyline about it is the tail lights.

70K? Where do you think you are going to find one for 70K, after all the fanboi hype those things will be a lot more than that, they'll probably simmer back down after a year or so. Just look at the Prius. Everybody hopped on the wagon for that and payed 4K over MSRP just to be the first ones to get it.

I wish they would have made the GT-R it own model, and then made the Skyline R35 something closer to it's heritage. Something that actually lets you drive.

Sry, / rant.

wouldn't make any sense.. the g35 is the skyline just no skyline GTR produced..since they made the V35 they had this idea planned out for a few years now to split the 2..but i agree they should have made it manual automatic and even CVT & tiptronic FTL

[CA-mazing]

The FJ20 and CA18 are completely different. They share nothing. You can see CA18 influences on the RB20 but they are not direct carry overs.

yea, i thought i read that on FJ20.com but i saw that on wikipedia.....yea my bad on that one. i read another article (http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2930/article.html) and this guy refers the FJ20 as the forefather to the SR. although the FJ and CA are both iron blocks with aluminum heads, they don't share much after that. and yea, i've always heard the CA in a 4cyl RB. that was one of the selling points of why i'm getting one

[themadscientist]

they are kissing cousins but no tounge. The SR is rather unique as is the KA. That motor has merit as well. It gets trashtalked a lot but even though Nissan didn't intend it to be a performance motor it certainly can be.

[Dexion]

wouldn't make any sense.. the g35 is the skyline just no skyline GTR produced..since they made the V35 they had this idea planned out for a few years now to split the 2..but i agree they should have made it manual automatic and even CVT & tiptronic FTL

Why? those are inferior transmissions.

[Soravia]

Real men who bang chicks and don't sip lattes pinkie out while watching the view.

Listen to the FJs and RBs and understand why the new R excites me as much as a Prius.http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=6C3c07MVG-A

500hp from 3.8 liters and more processors and servos than the mars lander? yawn. The FJ can get that from 2 liters and the RB more from 2.6; keep that thing.

FJ and RB MAY make 500HP but that's with all things maxed out and with little margin of error for a blown up engine. And none will really pass emissions with their setup.

The GT-R is making around 500-550 crank HP with pretty low boost compared to tweaked out RB26DETT. If the GT-R gets a special treatment like the tweaked out RB26DETT, it'll easily get at least a couple hundred more HP, all without blowing the engine.

As for the electronics, it's a love and hate affair. Most people will have a hard time driving the GT-R if it didn't come with all that stuff. Then the sales would be similar or fewer than the Viper. Hopefully, the V Spec will get rid of some of the extra electronics.

As for the clutch, I don't think it will ever have a manual clutch. Manual clutch's speciality is 'slipping' to adjust torque applied to the wheels. The new clutch on the GT-R is designed so that ALL torque from the engine is applied to the wheels. Get the idea?

[themadscientist]

FJ and RB MAY make 500HP but that's with all things maxed out and with little margin of error for a blown up engine. And none will really pass emissions with their setup.

The GT-R is making around 500-550 crank HP with pretty low boost compared to tweaked out RB26DETT. If the GT-R gets a special treatment like the tweaked out RB26DETT, it'll easily get at least a couple hundred more HP, all without blowing the engine.

As for the electronics, it's a love and hate affair. Most people will have a hard time driving the GT-R if it didn't come with all that stuff. Then the sales would be similar or fewer than the Viper. Hopefully, the V Spec will get rid of some of the extra electronics.

As for the clutch, I don't think it will ever have a manual clutch. Manual clutch's speciality is 'slipping' to adjust torque applied to the wheels. The new clutch on the GT-R is designed so that ALL torque from the engine is applied to the wheels. Get the idea?

The RB makes well over 1000hp maxed out and the FJ 700hp. No sleeves needed either, The RB better have a new crank though. If the VQ is any harbinger of the VR or whatever this new engine is called it will need a sleeve job to reach the RB26s neighborhood, even with the extra 1.2 liters and that rube goldberg valve train. Finally a top end SR20 guys can clown on. Honda is admitting defeat; "Nissan, you outgeeked us"

I remain underwhelmed.

[dj_hype]

FJ and RB MAY make 500HP but that's with all things maxed out and with little margin of error for a blown up engine. And none will really pass emissions with their setup.

The GT-R is making around 500-550 crank HP with pretty low boost compared to tweaked out RB26DETT. If the GT-R gets a special treatment like the tweaked out RB26DETT, it'll easily get at least a couple hundred more HP, all without blowing the engine.

As for the electronics, it's a love and hate affair. Most people will have a hard time driving the GT-R if it didn't come with all that stuff. Then the sales would be similar or fewer than the Viper. Hopefully, the V Spec will get rid of some of the extra electronics.

As for the clutch, I don't think it will ever have a manual clutch. Manual clutch's speciality is 'slipping' to adjust torque applied to the wheels. The new clutch on the GT-R is designed so that ALL torque from the engine is applied to the wheels. Get the idea?

My RB25 is making 450whp at 14psi on E85 with bolt-on's and no sign's of motor blowage. And my car passes emissions as well. So I'm not exactly sure where you're getting your facts but you may want to recheck them.

[IHeartRPS13]

Although i don't own a skyline i will have to agree that the new gtr isn't worthy of the badge. All of the luxury stuff in the new gtrs i would be happy without them (paddle shifter, electronic dampers, ect.) "As for the electronics, it's a love and hate affair. Most people will have a hard time driving the GT-R if it didn't come with all that stuff. Then the sales would be similar or fewer than the Viper." Like give a sh*t...if you cant tame the car then why buy it. I'm pretty sure that there are gonna be a bunch of kids crashing the damn thing anyways. Besides you can even take the car out to its full potential without going the a race track IN JAPAN! Plus its a down grade in terms of performance, as shown the Mine's GTR34 laps tsukuba at 57s Nismo Z-Tuned 59s the "Amuse" GTR35 59s, as you can see the the r34s are equal if not bettervand its a manual. What i would like to see is the Mine's GTR34 vs Nismo Z-Tuned Z2 GTR vs the new one. http://video.google.com/videop...hl=enahh the original
Modified by IHeartRPS13 at 4:23 AM 7/28/2008