Groin Punches

[bware113]

So I have been having a debate with another fellow on the topic fighting. He says he will do whatever is necessary to defend himself including and I quote 'kicking, kneeing, elbowing, grabbing, squeezing, twisting, etc.' another mans jewels for self defense . Two of those I think deserve a PAUSE or two. LOL
I personally dont see how someone with self respect's first option is to hit a man in the balls. Other than a life or death situation this should NOT be done. While all other things are fair game (bricks, dirt in the eyes, a throat hit). I cant see taking away a mans ability to reproduce cause you wanted to win the fight over who got the last copy of Call of Duty.

So Im curious what is everyone else's opinion on this?

[ADDirishboy]

If im fighting with someone I know, I wont go for the balls. If its some random guy I don't know, ill hit whatever is in reach.

[AppleBonker]

Gheyler, it appears you got confused mid-post. The first sentence you are talking about fighting (on-topic). The second sentence you are talking about your sex life (off-topic). FYI.

[ADDirishboy]

It happens.

[93coupe]

I personally dont see how someone with self respect's first option is to hit a man in the balls.

I had to read the sentence four times to grasp it.

If I am in a fight, I am looking to destroy that person. Whatever is attached to the person is getting destroyed too; including the junk, if necessary.

[AZhitman]

If something has gone to the point of physical confrontation, and the other person has been afforded every opportunity to avoid it, then they've given up their right to a fair fight.

Five years in Kenpo (AKKA) taught me this: A disabled opponent can't inflict further damage, so my goal is to render the other person defenseless before I get hurt.

I'm not a big guy (6'1", 170). Tangle with me, and you might get your sack ripped off. I don't care. I'll dial 911 and see to it that you receive prompt medical attention, and I'll go on about my day.

p.s. If you're fighting over a video game, then I'm guessing hair pulling and eye-scratching will be involved, because a real man wouldn't get into a physical altercation over something so trivial.

[Dattebayo]

You can't hold everyone to some made-up standard, therefore, if we're fighting for real, you're getting socked in the nads.

[Razi]

I personally dont see how someone with self respect's first option is to hit a man in the balls.

I had to read the sentence four times to grasp it.

I'm still confused about it.

Anyways, I'd kick a dude in the nads to get a fight over with.

If two men are fighting over Call of Duty, I would be surprised if there wasn't any ball touching.

[AZhitman]

^ This.

Besides, real fighting isn't like in the movies. Punching someone in the head HURTS, and the bones of the hand are easily broken. Real life > Hollywood.

On the topic of movie fights: Know what else I think is funny? When one guy punches another guy, knocks him down, then PICKS HIM UP to punch him again. WTF is that? If I drop you on the first punch, I'm staying on my feet, and you're getting a heel to the throat. I'm not gonna waste energy lifting your semi-conscious a$$ off the ground, since we've already established that you were stupid enough to get dropped in the first place.

[Dattebayo]

I'm trying to imagine two dudes in the video game store actually fighting over the last copy and one dude hammering the other in the nads to take it.

Also, the staff who had to deal with it. And try NOT to roll on the floor laughing at the idea of it....

[Encryptshun]

As far as I'm concerned, any man who tries to inflict bodily harm on me or one of my loved-ones has waived his right to reproduce.

[bware113]

@93coupe - yeah I wrote it few times. I said it and it sounded fine but it just writes and reads funny.

@AZhitman - I too am not a large fellow, hell Im barely average (5'7" 150) but with no formal fight training. The video game reference was just an example. LOL

But I can honestly say I'm surprised. I believe in ending the fight quickly, but I was told early by the men in the family that nad punching is a no-no and to stand up and fight like a man. With dignity. If you lose you lose. It's just that.

While I can't hold everyone to that standard, I kind of expect it. Its never happened nor have I ever viewed it so I always assumed others were taught the same. I always saw it as something frowned upon.

[Razi]

Also, I heard kicking during a fight is bad for your street cred.

[bware113]

Nah, kneeing is a form of a kick. IMO. No problems with the big boot. lol

LOL at movie fights tho. I never understood the picking up of someone you already decked. Wail on that dude with the bottom of your foot from above.

Punching with your hands does hurt a bit, later, adrenaline usually takes that pain away.

[Encryptshun]

Talking about fighting versus actually doing it is like talking about sex versus actually gettin down fur realz.

In conversation it's all about "what should happen" but the reality is always more nasty, brutish and short.

[Dattebayo]

Punching with your hands does hurt a bit

Ah yes, the foot punch is much better, and definitely not classified as a kick.

[bware113]

Ah yes, the foot punch is much better, and definitely not classified as a kick.

I like to call it the super punch, much like in Hot Rod.

But while the actual is much different from the what should and could happen convo, Im speaking from my own personal experiences and things Ive seen. Ive never seen a ball kick/punch performed. Also, what's sex??

[Bubba1]

@93coupe - yeah I wrote it few times. I said it and it sounded fine but it just writes and reads funny.

@AZhitman - I too am not a large fellow, hell Im barely average (5'7" 150) but with no formal fight training. The video game reference was just an example. LOL

But I can honestly say I'm surprised. I believe in ending the fight quickly, but I was told early by the men in the family that nad punching is a no-no and to stand up and fight like a man. With dignity. If you lose you lose. It's just that.

While I can't hold everyone to that standard, I kind of expect it. Its never happened nor have I ever viewed it so I always assumed others were taught the same. I always saw it as something frowned upon.

I think it more depends on the type of fight you're involved in. There are clearly different types. If you're talking rough-housing between friends/family, then the men in your family have a point about nad punching being uncool. But If you are attacked on the street, trust me, you defend yourself by whatever means possible, and that includes kicking 'em in the ballz.

[Ajax]

^^ agree. Although, if I'm attacked on the street, I'm probably jamming a finger in his eye.

Interesting topic, as I choreograph fights and violence for theatre here in MN. I generally avoid kicks and punches to the groin, but sometimes the timing and placement work out that way. One of my friends, however, teaches a stage combat class called "groin shots are funny". I know a few ways to safely do a kick/punch/headbutt to the groin onstage.

[AZhitman]

Also, while it's not a great place to get racked, the 'nads are pretty durable.

I took a wicked shot to the sack in a Kenpo class (swift snap kick) during a sparring session from one of the instructors that lifted me off my feet and crumpled me for a good half-hour. Even with the protection of a cup, I wound up in Urgent Care the next day with a left nut the size of an apple and a high fever (testicular torsion ain't no joke, kids).

Three kids later, no residual effects, other than a healthy respect for the "stopping power" of a well-timed nutshot.

[bware113]

^^ I cant imagine getting kicked that hard in the balls. OUCH!

An attack is different assuming you didnt see this coming. This seems to fall in more of a 'life and death' category since you dont know the intentions of this character.

Im talking about a disagreement that leads to a fight whether it be with a stranger, someone you've known, or a friend of a friend. Like 'you got a problem we can take this outside thing'. A fair straight up fight.

@Ajax - have you done any notable choreo? Groin shots are funny tho. > see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLcJ-tRSbY

[AZhitman]

Like 'you got a problem we can take this outside thing'. A fair straight up fight.

If we have to talk about it first, trust me, there's not gonna be a fight. I'm walking away.

That person wants to continue it, then they'll have to start something, in which case it then becomes a 'life or death' matter, and they're gonna lose a nut. Or an eye. Or a finger. Or their larynx.

[ADDirishboy]

Punching with your hands does hurt a bit, later, adrenaline usually takes that pain away.

Hurt a bit? The last time I got in a fight I broke 3 knuckles.

[AZhitman]

Next time Tyler comes over to the house, I'll have Bex film it while I kick him in the nuts. Then I'll post it up for lulz.

[Ajax]

@Ajax - have you done any notable choreo? Groin shots are funny tho. > see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLcJ-tRSbY

Unless you've seen theatre in the Minneapolis/St Paul area, you wouldn't know my work. I've got friends all over the country who do that kind of work, though.
I found a pic of some choreography I did for a short play- epic fight of man vs man-in-penguin suit.

I've also choreographed a production called "Bard Fiction"- a Shakespearean retelling of Pulp Fiction. All the gun violence translated to blade work. Our Zed was cast as female, so instead of a shotgun blast to the balls, she got a broadsword up the hoohaw. That actor's mom still doesn't care for me...

[bigbadberry3]

A fight is a fight. There are no ground rules to a fight.

Tangent, how do you all feel about fighting women?

[carloslebaron]

Why so many people is so agressive? I'm a pacifist, I have learned that the best way to win a war is by avoiding it.

Still, I did have to fight against another dude in my past, and my uncle the firefighter taught me to never fight, but if I do, then to hit hard.

That is why I did in my last fight, no mercy was the motto. The dude who started the fight against me perhaps had the tought that I was an easy prey, but he ended on the floor, literally eating dirt...all his body kicked from feet to head, smashed and almost hard to be recognizable...he did learn his lesson...we were eight against him...

[bware113]

@ADDirishboy - Cant say I pack that kind of power. lol I have had to ice my knuckles but never broke them.

@bigbadberry3 - under most circumstances NO. Most fights with a woman can be ended with out hitting them. Maybe a simple choke? Lol. But seriously I usually choose to grab and hold or the patented Chris Rock 'shake the **** out of them' until they give up. Not fighting a woman because of how I may look in a situation.
However someone can actually fight, in which case you would need to defend yourself in a more definite way than a grab/hold.

@Ajax - That honestly seems like a pretty cool profession. Did you need formal fight training or just an overall understanding of performance arts?

@AZ - have you never seen a conversation that escalated and eventually led to a fight? it happens. I still believe those methods are a bit extreme for many situations.

@carlos - eight against him? Im not sure if I followed you correctly but are you saying you jumped a single guy?

[AZhitman]

Why so many people is so agressive? I'm a pacifist, I have learned that the best way to win a war is by avoiding it.

Umm, I think that's what everyone has been saying this entire thread.

[AZhitman]

@AZ - have you never seen a conversation that escalated and eventually led to a fight? it happens. I still believe those methods are a bit extreme for many situations.

Nope. Not for me, anyway.

Read a book called "Verbal Judo" by Dr. George Thompson. Live it.

Also, I spent several years working in the mental health and criminal justice systems. I'm trained to deal with conflict resolution, crisis management, and incident de-escalation. Words don't warrant physical confrontation. Ever.

If you can't stand what someone is saying, you're weak-minded.