Greg's little secret is out

[Jeff Williams]

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[Rex]

Yeah, he's coming full circle. Q45, 240SX, Pathfinder, G20, G35 ... I wonder if an M45 is somewhere in the future. My guess is he'd have to hit the lottery to make that happen, but ohhh how fun that would be.

[Jeff Williams]

Next, you will see him on one of those drifting shows.

Just kidding... Maybe I can modify Layla to make a 4-door drifter. I need to loose about 2,000# and increase the lock-to-lock about 20 degrees, then add a turbocharger. Hmmm what was that lottery number?

[elwesso]

Next, you will see him on one of those drifting shows.

Just kidding... Maybe I can modify Layla to make a 4-door drifter. I need to loose about 2,000# and increase the lock-to-lock about 20 degrees, then add a turbocharger. Hmmm what was that lottery number?

No you dont, as loing as you leave it in 1st it will drift just fine... 4.08 would be the biggest help.

[Q-less]

No you dont, as loing as you leave it in 1st it will drift just fine... 4.08 would be the biggest help.

I concur, I had a hell of a tme in a parking lot once leaving it in 1st gear. I was doing circles with the rear end loose around some rice boys. I never had a problem getting my rear loose when it was in first gear.

[maxnix]

Drifting is for driver's who don't know how to drive fast.

Kind of like synchronized swimming is for swimmers who can't swim competitively.

[AZhitman]

The Active rear bar and some poly bushings coupled with the Eibachs makes the Q PLENTY tail-happy.

My Q (rather, NICOmom's Q) would be useless in an environment that experiences "weather".

[Jesda]

Drifting is for driver's who don't know how to drive fast.

Kind of like synchronized swimming is for swimmers who can't swim competitively.

BAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!

[kirbyQ45]

Drifting is for driver's who don't know how to drive fast.

Kind of like synchronized swimming is for swimmers who can't swim competitively.

Ok, point taken, grip is faster sometimes...

I would say that drifting is for drivers who race for the excitement cuz i know having that tailend out is a lot more invigorating!

On ramp lightly watered this morning and i had my tail out from a second gear start, and ended the drift goin about 55(conservative estimate). I love wasten bald tires before i get new ones!!

[Falkdesigns]

Grip is always faster, but drifting looks cool and it is fun. But I'd take F1 grip @ +4 g's (seriously, not made up or exaggerated) in a turn any day over sliding. Still though, drifting is cool and takes plenty of skill.

Greg's new car is pure sex, I love the interior.

[elwesso]

Drifting is for driver's who don't know how to drive fast.

Kind of like synchronized swimming is for swimmers who can't swim competitively.

Then I guess the RSR guys have NO idea how to drive.... And by the way, people who drift often go fast AND go sideways...

You make some pretty blanket statements which are ignorant and for all intents and purposes useless for life.

I can imagine will have a nightmare about one of his low mile Q going sideways and in circles in a deserted parking lot, with a huge cloud of tire smoke!!!

[jedi_sol]

Drifting is for driver's who don't know how to drive fast.

Kind of like synchronized swimming is for swimmers who can't swim competitively.

That comment made me chuckle... but still, i guess this means he doesn't know how to drive fast?

[maxnix]

You make some pretty blanket statements which are ignorant and for all intents and purposes useless for life.

Well, for your so far short life, yes.

That comment made me chuckle... but still, i guess this means he doesn't know how to drive fast?

Yeah, what do F1, NASCAR, ALMS, SCCA, etc. know about going fast?

Drifting is for girly-boy show-offs. It is not the fast way around.

[Jesda]

Me, I like rally racing. Its the only drifting that I find worthwhile. MUD ROCKS!

[Jeff Williams]

Rally racing rocks.

Drifting is a lot more than doing donuts in a parking lot. Watch it. The judging is based on how smooth the drivers can handle the car with the tail out. The hard part is not hitting the guy in front of you.

I can go fast in my Corvette with the Z51 performance suspension. I will be taking it to Bowling Green for the C5 Birthday Bash in April. I get road course and straight line track time.

I can do donuts in Layla. What I can't do, is controlled slides around a designated course. The power drops off, and the car hooks up. I need a little more power, to keep the rear end loose. A stiffer suspension will help, too.

[Rex]

Drifting is what it is, a style/control (controlled sliode that is) exhibition, but anyone that really believes you can go faster when you've lost traction, is going to have to use some fancy logic/physics to help me understand that.

[ceningolmo]

Jesda, I agree completely.

100MPH sideways on a long corner about 2 ft from the trees on side of the road... those guys are insane!

[jedi_sol]

I thought we were talking about Greg's little secret?

[jedi_sol]

Drifting is for girly-boy show-offs. It is not the fast way around.

But it's the prettiest way around ;-)

ok... ok... i wanna make a blanket statement too

NASCAR is for rednecks that can only drive left, then left, then left, then left.

Drifting has its uses, for example, in rally, on some corners drifting IS the fastest way around because it allows the driver to achieve the maximum speed through a corner as opposed to "brake... dive in for the apex... accel out."

D1 drifting is for, like Rex said, PURE EXHIBITION. It was never meant as a substitute for grip. Think of it as ice skating with cars (ok it sounds girly in that sense, but hopefully you get the picture). The people that founded the D1 Grand Prix consider drifting as an "art-form" that is meant to be enjoyed, as opposed to a technical-all-about-numbers-racing competition. Yes, the D1 has judges (which is purely subjective) and a point scoring system (ie, entry speed, angle of attack, racing line, average speed, etc, which is objective), but that is only because they know that the American audience will never take drifting as a legitmate "sport" if there is no objective scoring to it. I am guessing this is probably one of the reasons why many people do not take drifting seriously.

And the point i was trying to make with the picture of Keiichi Tsuchiya and his ARTA NSX is that he is an accomplished grip (JGTC series) and drift driver and not some "girly-boy showoff." And i guess nobody here is familiar with the Japan GT Championship series.

[Jeff Williams]

NASCAR is for rednecks that can only drive left, then left, then left, then left.

Ouch!

Can I still keep my Dale Earnhardt collectible DUB City Cadillac? Do you think less of me?

[Rex]

Ouch!

Can I still keep my Dale Earnhardt collectible DUB City Cadillac? Do you think less of me?

This explains all the black cars ... do you have 3 of them?

[96Qowner]

Well, for your so far short life, yes.

Yeah, what do F1, NASCAR, ALMS, SCCA, etc. know about going fast?

Drifting is for girly-boy show-offs. It is not the fast way around.

Heheh, maxnix, I gotta say, you made me laugh out loud with that one.

Youngsters, bah! We gotta keep 'em in line.

[yodawill2000]

I learned to drive a drift in a Super Modified at the Devils Bowl here east of DFW.Going sideways with the left front tire about a foot in the air was most definatly the quickest way around that half Miler 450 HP on packed Clay with a car that weighed very little. The huge Wing made it crazy sticky. Nuttin like throwing it sideways at 140 simply by turning the wheel a tad then lifting .. When it got the angle you wanted open her wide Open !! Gawd those were fun days .
Modified by yodawill2000 at 8:55 AM 11/28/2005

[jedi_sol]

Ouch!

Can I still keep my Dale Earnhardt collectible DUB City Cadillac?

Yes

Do you think less of me?

Of course not! Ill still need your immense knowledge of the Q in the future if i ever have any problems with it =)

[jedi_sol]

Next, you will see him on one of those drifting shows.

Just kidding... Maybe I can modify Layla to make a 4-door drifter. I need to loose about 2,000# and increase the lock-to-lock about 20 degrees, then add a turbocharger. Hmmm what was that lottery number?

I was just thinking, the Q seems pretty powerful enough to spin the rear tires without a problem. Maybe all we need to drift is a manual transmission to keep it in the power range and to prevent the tires from regaining traction. Oh, and a hand-pulled ebrake wouldnt hurt either.

Has anybody seen the drifting Crown Vic. or 96 Mustang GT-cobra at the first D1 driver search at Irwindale speedway? Weight isn't an issue.

[elwesso]

The key is keeping it in 1st gear......

[AZhitman]

You guys are thinking inside a real small box.

If you go watch a real drift event, you'll see that these guys are doing as high as 100 mph at initiation - Therefore, it's not so much a function of "overpowering" the rear tires as it is modulating the throttle to maintain the sideways attitude.

2nd / 3rd gear would be no problem.

Watched a guy here in Phoenix drift a rented Lincoln Town Car Signature Series for 3 sessions, keeping up with the purpose-built drift cars.

It's all about driver skill, transmission and suspension setup are secondary.

[Jeff Williams]

It's all about driver skill, transmission and suspension setup are secondary.

Well, that leaves me out of it.

[96Qowner]

You never did any serious snow "drifting" when you were a kid, Jeff?