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flohtingPoint wrote:You know somewhere else that semi's with trailers and such are not allowed? It's called a "race track". Lived on the east coast from '08 to Oct of this year, and never once even thought about going The Dragon. Way better places to go than some public road =)

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Dude, I've driven the dragon at a normal pace and came across a 52 footer mid turn and had to dive to the (nonexistent) shoulder. Now if only NC would do the same for the Ocoee gorge. I've been run off too many times there. Bottom line: the trucks are too damn long to fit on the road safely. You're the one who came in with the assumption that everyone was driving like ***holes and thankful that trailers are banned for that reason.

Bottom line, you came in here with a condescending and presumptuous tone, and that's what's got people's panties in a bunch.

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flohtingPoint wrote:So because I'm not self centered and I don't think that public roads are there for me to go driving like an ***hole, and I care about the safety of my fellow motorists, that means I have an ego problem? Yea, that makes a ton of sense... :wtf2:

Driving like a d*** on public roads is some high school s***. I seriously hope we're all adult enough to see that...
No, what shows you have an ego problem is every single post you make. Because every statement you make comes across as condscending and that everyone is beneath you because you race "professionally" on a racetrack. Maybe if you could remove the stick that is firmly planted in your anus for moment, you could realize that. Wait, was that some high school s*** too? Damn, my bad.

Nothing you said showed any regard for your fellow motorist other than you go to a racetrack instead of somewhere like Tail of the Dragon, because you think we all go there to drive like a d!ck. Which is actually very considerate now that I think about it because the size of your ego is larger than any semi trailer roaming the roads today.

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Dattebayo wrote: SO, you are saying that this isn't true then?

in a single-piece body like a flatbed, the track for the rear axle is even wider.
yes and no. it's more complicated than that and it's different for every vehicle. Here are a few variables for you.

1. For what you call "single piece" or straight trucks, the axles are obviously fixed in one spot. But the axle positions and the length between the axles can vary greatly, even for the same make model size truck. Locating the rear axles all the way back (called a "west coast" setting") improves weight distribution, but that extra length between the front and rear axles means a wider turning radius (less of an issue with western roads which tend to be less tight than the old roads here in the northeast). Likewise, locating the rear axle further forward from the back (called an "east coast setting") does the opposite. The shorter distance between fron/rear axles tightens the turning radius (advantageous for tighter northeastern city streets).

2. Now factor in the overall length of the truck (there are different types/sizes), with various amounts of overhang both front and rear. Long nose twin screw conventional trucks with double sleepers with tandem axles typically require more space to turn than a flat nosed COE (as in "cab-over engine") design with a single rear axle.


3. Next, the steering rack. Surprise! they vary too. I assume you've driven more than one make/model car in your life. Did they all have the exact same turning radius? Of course not. Trucks are not identical either. FWIW, I've driven 30' Isuzu straight trucks (COE design) that had a tighter turning radius than my wife's old Altima. Hmmm. Perhaps TOTD should ban 2002 Altimas too. ;)

4. Next, the driver's skill. This is more important. Naturally there is as huge a disparity in truck driver skills as there is for cars. There are truck drivers that don't handle turns or narrow roads well. TOTD has both. But an even sadder sidenote to this issue is that an enthusiastic teen male driver with a brand new license is many times more likely to have or cause a crash on TOTD than a 26K+ GVW truck piloted by a driver with a CDL without flaggers. that's a reason why teen male drivers are the single most expensive demographic to insure. Perhaps a more effective plan to reduce accidents on TOTD would be to ban teenaged boys instead of 30' + trucks. :chuckle:

To sum it up, since there are variables, there is no one single way to calculate the turning radius of a truck without testing each one.

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Jim, Many interpreted your original post as snarky and insulting. And while you may not feel TOTD is a worthwhile trip, there are whole lotta folks that do. TOTD is one of those unusual driving experiences. Like driving into the clouds at Mt. Washington, or going up Pikes Pike, or cruising the 17 mile drive (Pebble beach) or driving down Lombard Street in SF, Doesn't matter if there's no stop watch. it involves driving, and it's fun. Those two things alone are enough incentive for most of us enthusiasts.

And given how much enthusiast traffic there is on TOTD, (and I'm sure only a small percentage behave like idiots), restricting thru truck traffic there can only make the driving experience there better. I'd don't understand why you're negative about it. It sounds like a win. I also would have figured you to be someone that might enjoy driving a fun road like that. I guess I'm wrong.

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flohtingPoint wrote:So because I'm not self centered and I don't think that public roads are there for me to go driving like an ***hole, and I care about the safety of my fellow motorists, that means I have an ego problem? Yea, that makes a ton of sense... :wtf2:

Driving like a d*** on public roads is some high school s***. I seriously hope we're all adult enough to see that...
You replied to a thread about public safety on a road and made it into a road racing b**** as if you are the guardian of the roads. Not surprising after seeing a number of your other posts on here where you seem to pontificate on and on. Maybe you just can't type and properly express yourself to others and rub everyone the wrong way.


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