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RCA wrote:
scotty-2-forty wrote:Sh1t better be biodegradable ... Wha? I'm jus'sayin'! :gapteeth:
It is carbon.
Alfador wrote:The last real serious material inovations we had that affected our everyday lives were PVC and Nylon, like 50-70 years ago. I'm not saying these things aren't legitimate, but I think it will be a while before anything life changing occurs.
Silicon transistors / The personal computer / cell phones, The Internet, credit cards?

Personal computers, Cell phones, the internet, and credit cards are not material innovations. Perhaps I should have specified that I meant actual materials. You don't build anything out of those products. They really are the end products anyway. Silicon transistors do fall into that category I suppose but they were invented 56 years ago as well. Come to think of it, everything else on that list is really a direct result of silicon transistors except for MAYBE credit cards, though they sure helped.


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But what of all the material innovations going into improving the core components of those devices? You're just going to ignore all of those advancements? Hell, some of the innovations are not even in the materials themselves, but rather in the methods of producing them that lower the cost or improve the quality (sometimes both). A lot of the work in the materials field right now is focusing on those issues, not trying to create some new wonder-product.

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AppleBonker wrote:But what of all the material innovations going into improving the core components of those devices? You're just going to ignore all of those advancements? Hell, some of the innovations are not even in the materials themselves, but rather in the methods of producing them that lower the cost or improve the quality (sometimes both). A lot of the work in the materials field right now is focusing on those issues, not trying to create some new wonder-product.
To be honest, it's kind of a semantic issue. These iterative steps I would hardly call game changers or life changing. They are part of the regular, fairly predictable development of any technological advancement, and have been happening in some form since people started using tools. We naturally are constantly looking at more efficient and faster ways of doing things. Building, manufacturing, textiles, argriculture, and all sorts of day to day components of society have steadily improved on a natural progression as time passes.

Every single microprocessor advancement that has found its way into consumer level electronics has followed the same pattern of taking the existing tech, making it smaller, and faster, and using more of it. Something more to what I am talking about would be if this material took us off in leaps and bounds in a new direction, which it very well could. It wasn't part of the preconceived natural line of progression so much as something completely new and different. The question is where does that go. I guess my main point is that kind of monumental leap in advancement only comes about a scant few times a century (or less) and the last few candidates for this have been around for a considerable amount of time without really making their impact felt. buckminsterfullerene and its descendant the carbon nanotube have been around for quite some time now and while there have been countless proposed uses for them, we are seriously any put into practice on any appreciable level.
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So are diamonds. Your argument is invalid.
Any organic substance is biodegradable.
Not entirely true. Carbon Allotropes, which include diamond and graphite (and thus graphene) are widely and more or less unanimously in scientific circles considered to be inorganic.

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Gotcha. I guess I misunderstood. You were looking for the more monumental change.

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Alfador wrote:
RCA wrote:Any organic substance is biodegradable.
Not entirely true. Carbon Allotropes, which include diamond and graphite (and thus graphene) are widely and more or less unanimously in scientific circles considered to be inorganic.
Yep. Can't say it any better then that.

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AppleBonker wrote:Gotcha. I guess I misunderstood. You were looking for the more monumental change.
Yep.

To be perfectly honest though, I just kind of get my rocks off being a skeptic and a contrarian.

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Alfador wrote:Come to think of it, everything else on that list is really a direct result of silicon transistors except for MAYBE credit cards, though they sure helped.
I know, see how important silicon transistors are...
Alfador wrote:One has to wonder when we'll start seeing tangible results. I mean, I'm still waiting for my carbon nanotubes, the 5 or 6 miracle cures supposedly discovered and a few other neat things.
I have never heard of a carbon nano tube or these miracle cures; I am not sure what you're upset about.

Things take time to implement; companies have way too much invested in current tech to just start mass producing graphine or nano tubes. It will usually be tested and used in military and astro science then finally brought to your home. The GPS was invented accidentally in the 1950's and was used in the military for decades; only with in the last 15 years or so have civilians been able to use it. Maybe graphine and nano tubes are in the works, but they may take 50 years to get in our hands, that is a normal product cycle for ground breaking technology; either way it will change the way we live.

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Alfador wrote:To be perfectly honest though, I just kind of get my rocks off being a skeptic and a contrarian.
You too?!?
RCA wrote:I have never heard of a carbon nano tube or these miracle cures; I am not sure what you're upset about.
Really? CNTs were a big deal when I was in college (granted that was only a few years ago). Also, I'm pretty sure I did a report on graphene at some point too. I wonder if I still have that around somewhere.

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Graphene condoms?

A jimmy-hat that's only one atom thick and 200 times stronger than steel?

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You're just waiting for them to seal off one end of that carbon nanotube now, aren't you. Heyo!

*This poster does realize how terrible that joke is. He is not embarrassed for going there, however.
**Less nerdy explanation: your pen15 is really, really small.

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AppleBonker wrote:You're just waiting for them to seal off one end of that carbon nanotube now, aren't you. Heyo!

*This poster does realize how terrible that joke is. He is not embarrassed for going there, however.
Even more than the sheer geekitude of your joke, I'm laughing at the Ed McMahon reference. Priceless. :rotfl

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Sometimes these things must be done...

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AppleBonker wrote:Really? CNTs were a big deal when I was in college...
Never heard of them, but I stumbled upon this (while not looking up Nano tubes) a few minutes ago

http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/5426
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-MFrM-ubvA[/youtube]

So apparently, they are working on carbon nano tubes! :woot:

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Encryptshun wrote:Graphene condoms?

A jimmy-hat that's only one atom thick and 200 times stronger than steel?
:spitout: :rotfl

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RCA wrote: http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/5426
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-MFrM-ubvA[/youtube]

So apparently, they are working on carbon nano tubes! :woot:

So it looks like a CNT array interacts in a very unobtrusive manner with the surface tension of water. So take that principle and imagine covering the hull of a boat with that material. Seems like you'd reduce hull-drag to almost zero.

Similarly, I wonder how a windshield wiper blade made out of it would work.

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If they could combine it with something to make it clear, imagine a window made out of it. ;)

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bumping an old thread but rereading one of my webcomics brought me back here
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