GOP to 9/11 First Responders: DIE IN A FIRE

[audtatious]

They tried to push it through a couple months ago but It had some other stipulations on it and majority requirements set by Pelosi.

[stebo0728]

and in an unrelated rant..
When exactly did the world start believing that the Huffington Post was a legit news-source?

It was last week, didnt you get the drudge story about it? They also listed the Onion as new worthy now.

[Eikon]

Now the onion... That's good stuff!

[heliochrome85]

So the house, senate and white house have been fully controlled by the Dems for 2 years now and they never bothered to put this bill through sooner? But, when they finally try to rush it through at the last minute with some extremely poorly written plans, it's the GOP's fault for calling them on the bad parts.

I hate politics because nobody ever tells the whole story.. they take the little bits that support the way they want to view the situation and present those alone.

and in an unrelated rant..
When exactly did the world start believing that the Huffington Post was a legit news-source?

they have tried a couple of times now. the republican patriotism is what keeps getting in the way.

[heliochrome85]

Tariq, I don't disagree with any of that.

But let's go back and look at the OP: "Ashamed of our country" because we don't give handouts to people who were in the wrong place (or the right place) at the wrong time (or the right time, in my opinion, God bless them)....

Who decides eligibility for this fat payday? How can that be done without sliding a$$-first down that slippery slope?

I'm sure their insurance companies LOVE your plan. There's 7.8 Billion reasons to love it.

Listen, I agree 100% that our military men and women get the shaft in many areas. I'd also argue that, in certain cases, they get an undeservedly-sweet deal (which we can discuss separately).

But to ascribe the benefits and accordances of military service willy-nilly upon cops, firefighters, security guards, paramedics and innocent passers-by opens a can of worms the likes of which we haven't seen since the debit-card fiasco of post-Katrina Nawlins.

Prayers for our troops are ALWAYS in order. I'm right there next to ya.

all im saying is that at my current hospital, a regular bed goes for 3500 a night, and an icu bed goes for 6k a night. 7.8 billion is alot if you are counting it in terms of what you pay at rite aid. but in a hospital setting, where an aspirin is 5 dollars, and a pillow is 50, 7.8 billion goes a bit less as far. really, what gets me is that the republicans blocked this only days after demanding that the government renew tax cuts for the richest 2% of americans, only adding to the deficit. they were ok with taking a hit on tax revenues to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, but this 7.8 billion dollar bill was the straw that broke the camels back.

im really freaking sick of the hypocracy. the dems couldnt find their wedding tackle if they looked, (pelosi found some that she wasnt born with, in true cali style), but in terms of actual double speak, they could learn a few hundred lessons from the GOP. why anyone educated votes for the GOP astonishes me. There is literally nothing they do that isnt for the sake of petty politics. A corner whore has more morals.

[stebo0728]

all im saying is that at my current hospital, a regular bed goes for 3500 a night, and an icu bed goes for 6k a night. 7.8 billion is alot if you are counting it in terms of what you pay at rite aid. but in a hospital setting, where an aspirin is 5 dollars, and a pillow is 50, 7.8 billion goes a bit less as far. really, what gets me is that the republicans blocked this only days after demanding that the government renew tax cuts for the richest 2% of americans, only adding to the deficit. they were ok with taking a hit on tax revenues to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, but this 7.8 billion dollar bill was the straw that broke the camels back.

My only response to that is WHY? Why does all that cost so much? 3500 for a night? Ok I realize its not a hotel room, but geez. What do they do, take the average amount of care needed for someone and charge that? Why not itemize more, charge 150 for the room, then charge for fluid IV if its used, charge for heart/pulse ox monitors if they're used. You have really opened the proper jar when trying to figure out whats wrong with healthcare, its too damned expensive. Now Im sure insurance gets a decent discount off those prices, but I bet its not close to what the prices SHOULD be, and then why cant an uninsured individual get the same rates as an insurance company gets? Its not that we need more governement intervention to get coverage for folks, prices in the market need to be reasonable.

im really freaking sick of the hypocracy. the dems couldnt find their wedding tackle if they looked, (pelosi found some that she wasnt born with, in true cali style), but in terms of actual double speak, they could learn a few hundred lessons from the GOP. why anyone educated votes for the GOP astonishes me. There is literally nothing they do that isnt for the sake of petty politics. A corner whore has more morals.

My my did we wake up on the wrong side of the rickshaw this morning?

[wingFeather]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/s ... 8#comments

im ashamed of my country. that is all.

I'm ashamed of YOU posting a title like that. You clearly have no respect for anyone and should be banned. Shame on you!!!

[audtatious]

My only response to that is WHY? Why does all that cost so much? 3500 for a night?

Lots of dead-beats. Most hospitals are for-profit so if they can't deny services they must recoup it somewhere.

[stebo0728]

My only response to that is WHY? Why does all that cost so much? 3500 for a night?

Lots of dead-beats. Most hospitals are for-profit so if they can't deny services they must recoup it somewhere.

WHAT?!? PROFIT?!? Does Princess Pelosi, the abolisher of all profit, know about this? Dont hospitals know that profit is evil and illegal, and that they MUST operate at cost?!?

[audtatious]

Hospitals and medical should be free. I really don't know how my wife deals mentally with taking earnings from hospitals as an RN. She should do it for free. What a biach.

[heliochrome85]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/s ... 8#comments

im ashamed of my country. that is all.

I'm ashamed of YOU posting a title like that. You clearly have no respect for anyone and should be banned. Shame on you!!!

you are adorable. please continue.

[heliochrome85]

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/21/coburn-block-911/

[AZhitman]

My point stands.

They're not entitled to those funds.

Hypocrisy schmypocrisy. I don't know why anyone would vote lefty either - but this isn't a partisan issue, it's a legal issue, and you're letting your vagina think for you.

[heliochrome85]

letting your vagina think for you.

isnt that equivalent to being married?

[srellim234]

Maybe. I'm married to "She Who Carries A Gun And Must Be Obeyed."

After 32 years of marriage I have her right where she wants me.

[stebo0728]

Maybe. I'm married to "She Who Carries A Gun And Must Be Obeyed."

After 32 years of marriage I have her right where she wants me.

And if she wants any of your lip, she'll scrape it off her zipper right?

[AZhitman]

[R/T Hemi]

I'm a little late to this party, but I'd have liked to post this prior to the little turn this thread made.

Do public servants, (individual firefighter or police officer or other 911 - not 9/11 but 911 as in emergency) responders who suffers similar problems when working less prominent events receive financial/health-care assistance that the 9/11 workers had not received before the passage of this bill?

If so, then why haven't injured 9/11 workers received those same benefits?
If not, then why are injured 9/11 workers meriting a disparate level of support?

[audtatious]

9/11 responders have received more attention than those not involved with 911. This new bill will give them more.

This has some parallels to the families who lost members during 9/11, they received millions additional when other families who lose people during other disasters do not.

[heliochrome85]

9/11 responders have received more attention than those not involved with 911. This new bill will give them more.

This has some parallels to the families who lost members during 9/11, they received millions additional when other families who lose people during other disasters do not.

good point. that being said, this is the new 3rd rail of politics. 9/11 is sacred, as are its victims. to harm them is to side with the terrorists. not even remotely sarcastic.

here in new york, its still very much a part of the culture. there is a 9/11 memorial across the street from me, and at many major places like hospitals, and such.

[audtatious]

Yeah. 9/11 was a horrible shock to us as a whole but we should have seen it coming after the first WTC bombing.

I have great respect to the responders at 9/11 but I also have great respect for all responders across the nation. People put their lives on the line for others all the time and it's not just limited to terrorlst attacks, no matter how horrid it was.

[AZhitman]

this is the new 3rd rail of politics. 9/11 is sacred, as are its victims. to harm them is to side with the terrorists.

And as such, you have to be able to see why your OP was disconcerting.

Hemi, that's what I've been saying all along. They're simply not eligible. Emotion has no place in this.

To characterize the witholding of benefits as somehow "pro-terrorism" and to demonize ANYONE (not just the GOP) for wanting to take a closer look at this before writing a check, is simply ignorant.

I see it passed today without any real evaluation of the conditions or scrutiny of its legal merits. I'm disappointed in my country.

[heliochrome85]

no, my issue is that the GOP is too bsy crying and wrapping themselves in flags, and hiring Guiliani to campaign for them, to really actually care about the families they are exploiting. when it comes down to it, those people got yanked around when they should have been treated properly. i was hoping for some modicum of decency from the GOP, but alas, no. A party that continues to eat itself can not survive.

whether the guys deserved this bill or not is fairly irrelevant. what is more relevant is that ultimately, the GOP would sell their mothers down the river if it meant there was political gain. how anyone could trust them is beyond me.

[WDRacing]

Imagine that, politicians using every angle they can to their own benefit.

[audtatious]

Imagine that, politicians using every angle they can to their own benefit.

Seems to be apparent and brought out in the open when GOP do it but it constantly comes as a shock or a misunderstanding when the Dems do it.

[R/T Hemi]

Hospitals and medical should be free. I really don't know how my wife deals mentally with taking earnings from hospitals as an RN. She should do it for free. What a biach.

Just be patient. That's coming.

[AZhitman]

no, my issue is that the GOP is too bsy crying and wrapping themselves in flags, and hiring Guiliani to campaign for them, to really actually care about the families they are exploiting. when it comes down to it, those people got yanked around when they should have been treated properly. i was hoping for some modicum of decency from the GOP, but alas, no. A party that continues to eat itself can not survive.

whether the guys deserved this bill or not is fairly irrelevant. what is more relevant is that ultimately, the GOP would sell their mothers down the river if it meant there was political gain. how anyone could trust them is beyond me.

So, wait. You want to FORCE someone to "care"? That's a nebulous and unquantifiable quality. So, no.

You don't have a problem with the Left mischaracterizing the GOP as "hating 9/11 first responders"? Decency my a$$. Throwing good people under the bus for political gain much?

How were these people "exploited"? Are you saying that because they were heralded as heroes, we should compensate them financially as well? Ummm, no.

How is it a trust issue? Would you have preferred they "look the other way" and find these people eligible for benefits they weren't entitled to?

I can't trust someone who overlooks the letter of the law and legislates from pure knee-jerk emotion, especially when they're rooting in MY pocket to do it.

Sucks that this is exactly what happened, though.

[heliochrome85]

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/1 ... ders-bill/

[audtatious]

Comedy Channel? 4 realz?

[heliochrome85]

someone had to cover the story, since the major networks fox included refused to.