General rant against the "new youth"

[skydragoness]

My wife (a teacher) was monitoring recess where the kids were watching a Cartoon Movie. There was a part in the movie where a horse was badly abused by the villain and the kids were laughing at the horse's plight. I was shocked and even a little pissed when my wife told me the news. These were 3rd graders.bud

That kind of stuff always bothers me. They must of been laughing because they never got hit themselves. Brats.

[s13sr20chris]

strange, i dont know where i fit in. mid 20's, wife, first child on the way, good job, stable, non-retard, and easily offended by poor taste in dress. on the other hand while rocking out in my church band every sunday morning and wed night i have been approached(afterwards really) by some people offended that i was wearing jeans and holey t-shirt. where do you draw the line?

where ever i want too! if i wasnt right, i would not have opened my mouth!

[gabossie]

You don't draw the line. How can one POSSIBLY be OFENDED by anothers apparel? Dress as you please, and in that sense, show no regard to those around you, barring nudity of course. I do understand how certain dress leads people to draw conclusions about people, and one should dress accordingly in certain situations (such as work). If I was a religious man, I would have no qualms with going to church in jeans and a t-shirt, you really think god cares what you're wearing? It is not your life, and you should have no place in determining what another person should wear. Generalize and stereotype all you want, but never tell someone they are wrong for what they are wearing.

[vicki]

My friends and I always have a good time mocking people who speak and act like they're all urban. I really hate wiggers (rich suburbanites who live in million dollar homes yet insist on appearing and sounding "gansta". But in the end, I really don't lose sleep over what someone else chooses to say or wear.

[gabossie]

All of that applies to how people speak as well. Who are you to decide how another person pronounces a particular word? And how can you possibly be offended by someone speaking different from the way you speak? Do you feel the same about foreign languages? Most are simply different evolutions of the Latin language anyway. Same situation.

[vicki]

I don't get offended and I have no place to tell anyone how they can speak or dress, if I didn't make that clear in my first post. I simply have a good time making fun of them.

I am multilingual and I love accents. *shrugs

[Jesda]

Kids always laugh at terrible things. Naturally, its the job of the adult to tell them its not funny.

[gabossie]

I was talking to Chris, I know you better than that.

[jdmfreak]

Well.......

I also HATE when white people use the word "ghetto" when describing how other people act/dress. So WTF do you actually consider ghetto?Just b/c they talk the way they do(slang, etc)? Is it the kids in jerseys, jordans/air force ones, baggy clothes, and a backwards/slightly tilted to the side cap, then you are WRONG. Dont use the word if you cant use it properly. There's no way in hell that the true ghetto kids could even afford that. The word for those people is POSER not ghetto.

As for me I wear baggy clothes. My pants are naturally baggy since they're 4 sizes than what actually fits me, BUT I wear a belt. Id prefer my shirts to be 3X, but thats because I like it loose. I love buying basketball/football jerseys even if they cost me $80(I do get them on sale most of the time though:biggrin:). I dont wear my caps backwards b/c I dont look right like that. I do wear them tilted to the side, but its still pointing forward. I wear nothing other than Jordans, Air Force 1s, and Timberland boots. So far this is again what I've seen constantly described as ghetto. Why?

As far as language goes? Hell I talk slang when ever I want. I do, however, know how to be respectful, talk properly, write very well, and dress/speak accordind to occasion(I hate suits and have refused to go to weddings b/c I had wear one. I HATE suits that much). For church and interviews I wear a button up long sleeve shirt with my usual baggy jeans and a pair of tims. As much dressed up as Im gonna be. But back to the language issue. I feel that I need not talk proper language(slang, etc) if it aint necessary. No, Im not hiding my intelligence. Most of the people know it b/c I am the way I am. Like I said, I use my brain when its needed. I use slang b/c I grew up in the bronx and at the time thats all I heard. It just grows on you and BAM! Its everyday language. And yes I curse a lot and I sometimes slip in front of kids, but again I know when to call it quits.

After all's said and done, Im a nice kid that sells candy on the side, stays outta trouble most of the time(or at least tries to), smarter than most, and STILL get included in the certain "group" of people. Oh and no offense, but most of the time the white kids tryin to be like us are worse than us due to the fact of them just not knowing how to do it right.

PS: Im 18
Modified by jdmfreak at 12:41 AM 10/27/2004

[Cold_Zero]

Mountain Dew is NOT a food group

Now he thinks he is Dr C Everett Koop. Back off from my Mt Dew. I am possessive.

3 a day keeps the doctor away. I will probably die of diabetes.bud

[Chingon]

Well.......

After all's said and done, Im a nice kid that sells candy on the side....Modified by jdmfreak at 12:41 AM 10/27/2004

Is that slang for crack cocaine?

[nametakennow]

This is interesting.

I'm 17. I live in an area where this sort of stupidity you refer to is rampant. The area I speak of is very affluent, majority white, low crime, etc.

However, in large part because of said affluence, this area is also rampant with alcohol and marijuana (mostly) abuse, as well as teenage sex.

I don't drink. I don't smoke anything. I don't try to be "ghetto." I don't listen to much rap "just cause it's crunk." I don't screw around.

Therefore, my point: You're right in the sense that there are a lot of stupid kids out there. You're wrong both in making vast assumptions and also in the concept that it's a large majority. It's not. I'd say 60/40, with the 60 being idiots. That's still way to many, but you get the idea.

Next, I wear baggy shorts because they're comfortable. Tight stuff doesn't feel terribly pleasant when you're moving around a lot. Of course, the other reason is that I haven't bothered doing much restocking of my wardrobe in the past 4 or so years, but I've trimmed physically by leaps and bounds. Maybe I'm lazy, or maybe I see it as I still fit in my clothes well enough to get by.

Misfortunes are funny, to a point. In large part because we see ourselves in them. For instance, we're watching the movie version of The Crucible in my AP American Literature class. I find it humourous in large part because I know very similarly where John Proctor is coming from in the sense that some women (this is also true of men) tend to prey on vulnerable people. Seeing my own situation from an objective light lends a mix of both humour and solemnity to it all. This is true of not just my generation, but humans as a whole. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

When considering this, if you see such fit, neglect my somewhat often rants/whines about my personal issues, we all whine from time to time.

[The Mic]

Is that slang for crack cocaine?

WHA?!! ABSOLUTELY NOT! how can you even accuse one of our fellow NICO family members of something like that. He really does sell candy! get you mind out of the gutter. =P

[gniknave]

- I'm 23, black. I wear baggy pants because their comfortable, look better with my shoe size, and up to date in style. I sagg slightly down to my butt crack (as if you wanted to know) but not the extreme "down to the ankles". I also happen to like wearing a shirt and tie any day of the week over my baggy attire.

- I saw "The Grudge" last Saturday and I laughed my *** off too. I thought they tried so hard to scare you that it became hillarious.

- The slang you hear is a phase they're going through. You know we had the hippies/grunge, punk, skater, etc., now we have hip hop. Most of them grow out of it though.

- Someone said they wouldn't hire these kids if they were an employer. Well around here you see them at Walmart, Home Depot, Albertsons, Kmart (does that still exist?), Target, Best Buy, Circuit City etc etc. I doubt they're dumb enough to go to an interview dressed like this. As a matter of fact I'd bet that a lot of them would outdress and out talk the average Joe at an interview. The hip hop generation loves to dress to impress and love to prove doubters wrong.

- I think every kid had a way of being annoying at one time or another. I was quiet but hard headed. Not a troublemaker but I hung around them. We all have different ways of expressing ourselves and the younger the kid, the more enthusiasticly he'll express himself.

- Sorry but I laughed my *** off at "The Grudge" too. I thought they tried so hard to scare you that it actually became funny-not scary.

- The thing that bothers the heck out of me is this. I see a lot of african american teenage boys in groups of 4-10 deep in malls around here all on their cell phone. WHO ARE THEY TALKING TO? IN THE MALL? If you're in a crew of 10 people what is the point of you ALL being on your cell phone?

Ok here's my theory. They're at the mall to pick up girls. They get a girls number, then they have to verify that the number is correct by calling it and asking for the girl. If it's the wrong number then they can still find the girl in the mall and get the right number! Ahhhh I see.

Bottom line. It's all a phase. We all had a phase we went though whether you were a hippy, skater, punk, nerd, or into hip hop.

[[Zero-S]]

You and me both. I went through a damn 2-liter when I pulled an all-nighter. Talk about sugar rush.

[JustinStrife]

This is an interesting topic. I guess I'll just throw my itty bitty .02 in. I have a 30" waist, but wear 32's cause i like an extra inch or two of breathing room. I wear larges even though I could get by with mediums, because I like the extra bit of room. Xtra large no thank you. I wear belts just incase my pants start sagging(my weight fluctuates like 10lbs up and down so pants never wear the same way month in and month out). When I wear a hat it's always pointed forward. Unless I'm poking fun at someone and i'll turn it sideways for comic relief(no offense JDMFreak nothing but love for ya bro). I stopped going to social events where you have to dress up beyond t-shirt and jeans unless it's something I HAVE to attend. I refuse to wear a tie, and wear anything overly dressed up. It is SO not me. I will always feel at home in T-Shirt and jeans over anything else. I'm not big on tats or piercings. And am turned off by girls who are flooded with either. I don't really belong in any group socially or what have you. I get along with everyone, but I have my own style. I talk clearly, almost always using proper english as I feel it's the best way for people to understand me. Once again I'll fall back on slang of some sort(physically or spoken) only for comic relief. I have no heartburn with anyone who is into the things I don't like, as they are who they are. I just prefer not to follow suit. ^_^ And that's my .02 Feel free to burn away.

[Cold_Zero]

The kids today. Its this rock and roll music. Sex, drugs and rock and roll. I tell you when I was a kid... Hey! I must be talking about my generation.

bud

[jdmfreak]

Is that slang for crack cocaine?

LMAO!!!

Nah man just Airheads, Blow Pops, Ring Pops. I sell other candies, but those are just the big sellers. And yes I used to make $70-100 profit, but duee to the schools new security camera system(fights, stealing food, parking lot surveilance, etc), I had to stop and actually get a job(ACK!). Im starting again. Lets just hope it'll be as good as before.

[jdmfreak]

This is an interesting topic. I guess I'll just throw my itty bitty .02 in. I have a 30" waist, but wear 32's cause i like an extra inch or two of breathing room. I wear larges even though I could get by with mediums, because I like the extra bit of room. Xtra large no thank you. I wear belts just incase my pants start sagging(my weight fluctuates like 10lbs up and down so pants never wear the same way month in and month out). When I wear a hat it's always pointed forward. Unless I'm poking fun at someone and i'll turn it sideways for comic relief(no offense JDMFreak nothing but love for ya bro). I stopped going to social events where you have to dress up beyond t-shirt and jeans unless it's something I HAVE to attend. I refuse to wear a tie, and wear anything overly dressed up. It is SO not me. I will always feel at home in T-Shirt and jeans over anything else. I'm not big on tats or piercings. And am turned off by girls who are flooded with either. I don't really belong in any group socially or what have you. I get along with everyone, but I have my own style. I talk clearly, almost always using proper english as I feel it's the best way for people to understand me. Once again I'll fall back on slang of some sort(physically or spoken) only for comic relief. I have no heartburn with anyone who is into the things I don't like, as they are who they are. I just prefer not to follow suit. ^_^ And that's my .02 Feel free to burn away.

I DO NOT wear my hat sideways! Its SLIGHTLY tilted to the left. Geez!

j/k man. I see where ya comin from. I havent seen ya in a while. Whatcha been up to? Hit me up on AIM sometime.

[s13sr20chris]

i guess i should have been more clear. poor taste sounds like it means wierd but it does not. i dont care for body parts hanging out and foul language in big bold letter. that kind of thing. i certainly dont care what style folks are into.and of course God does not care what you are wearing. it just happens that many people do and can be distracted by a guy jamming(me) to the praise and worship songs in holey jeans and t-shirt. i dont know why but they are. thats why i dont do it anymore but i wish i could.

[s13sr20chris]

Well.......

I also HATE when white people use the word "ghetto" when describing how other people act/dress. So WTF do you actually consider ghetto?Just b/c they talk the way they do(slang, etc)? Is it the kids in jerseys, jordans/air force ones, baggy clothes, and a backwards/slightly tilted to the side cap, then you are WRONG. Dont use the word if you cant use it properly. There's no way in hell that the true ghetto kids could even afford that. The word for those people is POSER not ghetto.

As for me I wear baggy clothes. My pants are naturally baggy since they're 4 sizes than what actually fits me, BUT I wear a belt. Id prefer my shirts to be 3X, but thats because I like it loose. I love buying basketball/football jerseys even if they cost me $80(I do get them on sale most of the time though:biggrin:). I dont wear my caps backwards b/c I dont look right like that. I do wear them tilted to the side, but its still pointing forward. I wear nothing other than Jordans, Air Force 1s, and Timberland boots. So far this is again what I've seen constantly described as ghetto. Why?

As far as language goes? Hell I talk slang when ever I want. I do, however, know how to be respectful, talk properly, write very well, and dress/speak accordind to occasion(I hate suits and have refused to go to weddings b/c I had wear one. I HATE suits that much). For church and interviews I wear a button up long sleeve shirt with my usual baggy jeans and a pair of tims. As much dressed up as Im gonna be. But back to the language issue. I feel that I need not talk proper language(slang, etc) if it aint necessary. No, Im not hiding my intelligence. Most of the people know it b/c I am the way I am. Like I said, I use my brain when its needed. I use slang b/c I grew up in the bronx and at the time thats all I heard. It just grows on you and BAM! Its everyday language. And yes I curse a lot and I sometimes slip in front of kids, but again I know when to call it quits.

After all's said and done, Im a nice kid that sells candy on the side, stays outta trouble most of the time(or at least tries to), smarter than most, and STILL get included in the certain "group" of people. Oh and no offense, but most of the time the white kids tryin to be like us are worse than us due to the fact of them just not knowing how to do it right.

PS: Im 18

Modified by jdmfreak at 12:41 AM 10/27/2004

i actually like to use good identifiers when i am making a description of a person. i use words like ghetto, redneck, hobag(refering, in this area, to girls who are less than dressed), etc. i respect that you dont care for the word ghetto but i cant imagine it matters who is using it. i challenge you to say you have never used a word such as redneck in the same sense. we need to be able to talk and deal with each other on less sensitive terms. i personally enjoy non-politically correct ethnic and racial humor very much. however, i enjoy it with my diverse group of friends and my particular racial group(white male) is often the object of our humorous scorn. i like to think of this as breaking down barriers rather than building them up; appreciating(and even making fun of our differences) instead of making them a verbal minefield. why?one time i noticed that around black folks(of whom my church is approx. 40%) some of my white friends would avoid certain topics of conversation. there is nothing wrong with that. they would discuss them openly when in an all white setting. nothing wrong with that either. people are avoiding uncomfortable settings instead of avoiding other people. i have ever since seeked to talk about the most uncomfortable(within reason) topics with all different people. i think it has been a success too.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Oh and no offense, but most of the time the white kids tryin to be like us are worse than us due to the fact of them just not knowing how to do it right.

Haha yeah I agree. I had a friend in high school like that. He was annoying as hell.

This applies to ANYONE trying to be ANYTHING they aren't. The only thing worse than a poseur is a poseur who's still alive. (I'm not sure if the french spelling is correct, or comedic--i.e. trying to be french and therefore being a poser itslef, or just wrong, but its how I've seen it spelled the most, so I'm using it. Please tell me if I am wrong--I hate spelling badly). If you can't be happy with who you are, you have serious problems. And if your friends can't be happy with who you are, they are NOT friends. There is no good reason for anyone to act like they are something they are not.

As for language and dress: do what you want. Who cares what other people think. If you enjoy using slang, or just use it out of habit, or whatever, don't let people tell you not to. Hell, I played GTA:San Andreas for hours last night and I keep slipping up and talking like a black gangster--and I'm what people would commonly call a goth*...and I'm white.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*I figured this would work better here than in parentheses:I HATE that goth is the word used for this description. Goths are a religious group. They are nothing like what people commonly call goths. Just because I dress in black and act a certain way, I'm suddenly a goth. But does anyone know what a goth really is? Can they point our Gothic architecture? Are they aware of the immense historical significance of the group? Some people, yes; but the majority, NO! This is just like what jdmfreak said about "ghetto." It's become misconstrued, and its irritating for people who want to use the word for its original--and correct--manner. No one knows what I mean if I use the word "goth." And yet, there is no other single word that describes what "goth" has come to describe, so even I have to use it myself--either that or add this rediculously long diatribe at the end of every post I use it in. /rant---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[GoinBoostYey]

I love the fact that people like to complain about things so much. People do what they want because we live in a free country, if you dont like it go somewhere else. Im not saying I act like this in any sort of way, but if you think about it. Its comparable to the 60's and 70's with the sexual liberation and all the drugs being abused. Its not very different at all. All generations have been bitching about the next ones comming along since the beginning of time. So my point is get over it.

[VashFC]

"Men in general judge more from appearances than from reality. All men have eyes, but few have the gift of penetration." ~Niccolo Machiavelli

A MINORITY of people are ignorant, rude or generally disrespectful. They just draw that much more attention to themselves so it just seems to be like all the kids are like that. You don't see all the kids that are out there working, studying, pursuing hobbies. It's because they keep to themselves. Someone may be loud, a bit rude, dress in bad taste or use bad grammar but it doesn't tell you that they're a bad person. How would you feel if your value as a person was reflective of how you acted in just a few minutes? We've all had bad times.... bad days and even bad years as youths. Don't be so harsh... Give them a chance to prove themselves. We need guidance for youth today not persecution. If you MUST persecute somebody, blame the parents. They are the ones raising the children. Kids don't (or at least shouldn't....) raise themselves.

- Chris

[gniknave]

Oh and no offense, but most of the time the white kids tryin to be like us are worse than us due to the fact of them just not knowing how to do it right.

That couldn't be any more true. Especially when they use the "N" word with their friends. OHHHH that just pisses me off every time...

[NY94J30]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*I figured this would work better here than in parentheses:I HATE that goth is the word used for this description. Goths are a religious group. They are nothing like what people commonly call goths. Just because I dress in black and act a certain way, I'm suddenly a goth. But does anyone know what a goth really is? Can they point our Gothic architecture? Are they aware of the immense historical significance of the group? Some people, yes; but the majority, NO! This is just like what jdmfreak said about "ghetto." It's become misconstrued, and its irritating for people who want to use the word for its original--and correct--manner. No one knows what I mean if I use the word "goth." And yet, there is no other single word that describes what "goth" has come to describe, so even I have to use it myself--either that or add this rediculously long diatribe at the end of every post I use it in. /rant---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just a heads up, Goths aren't a religious group, the term Gothic, refers to the Goths, Ostrogoth and Visigoths - Germanic "barbarians." And Gorthic architecture is a reference to Germanic architectural influences of the Middle Ages

[rydwhite]

Wow, I hear myself in many of these posts. I can not stand the way the youth talk and dress. However, I can live with that without too much problem, but their udder lack of respect for others is what I will not stand for. The common decent respect that should be shown to all people is what seems to be lacking to me. While the clothing and slang are annoying to me, I take it all in stride. Every age group has had their own look and slang. I am only 25 and the kids today are completely different from when I was a kid. However, it seems to much more prevalent that the kids today do not respect people. I am sure that my friends and I annoyed people 10 years ago with the way we dressed and spoke, however, we were always polite and we always showed respect to others.

Now, this is of course a very broad generalization and is not to be taken as an atack on the young generation. These are just some of the things that I seem to often notice.

I think it is all mostly phases and once they grow older they will start to change. Each generation has had their thing when they were young and each so far has grown out of it and grown up. I don't see any reason why this generation will be any different. At some point they will start to see that a change is needed in order to become successful in life. Until then, we will have to put up with it until the next phase comes.

At least it makes all us twenty-somethings seem much more intelligent and upstanding.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Just a heads up, Goths aren't a religious group, the term Gothic, refers to the Goths, Ostrogoth and Visigoths - Germanic "barbarians." And Gorthic architecture is a reference to Germanic architectural influences of the Middle Ages

Ahh. Thanks. I new it was something to do with 14th century europe (was wasn't?), and was thinking Germany, but that's really all I knew. Wow...I guess I am more goth than I thought (German heritage). Interesting. Glad you told me. Now I actually know what I'm talking about.Some of the Gothic cathedrals are incredible...they look like something out of a Tim Burton film--or maybe his films look like something out of 14 century Germany...

[ceniack]

you know what the problem with today's youth is... it's PUBERTY!!!!

[Nathan]

Puberty was so damn fun...oh how I miss sex dreams