Gauging Intrest: Vortech S/C

[rjdmmfl1]

Personally I am much more interested in a SC and not at all in a TC. I would be quite satifsifed with a total of another 100HP, maybe 375 at the fly with 320 WHP the end result...that would suit me juuuuuuuust fine.

I agree with Greyzone, def want to see a supercharger for daily driving.

[adidas2go]

I agree with Greyzone, def want to see a supercharger for daily driving.

That was an emphesized point. 5-7 psi is what I am shooting for.

in your talks, be sure to emphasize that folks on the forum from which you took the poll are SERIOUS BUYERS, and not just a bunch of kids talking alot and not buying anything.

I know the Eibach, Injen, and Damper group buys are much cheaper, and obviously, they wouldn't be trying to move 50 kits, but at least it'll show that there are some serious folks who would actually buy one if it is released, (Hell, just show them all of mcheddadi's power hungry posts, at least they'll know the will get a minimum of 1 sold...

Believe me robert, I will get as big of a price reduction as I can possibly swing. I also talked to Kyle this morning about it. The will carry the Vortech A/C system through STILLEN, so we might see something through them I will bring the A game that has landed the Borla, Eibach, and STILLEN deals

[Loop]

Good stuff...I really would like to see your CVT S/C.

Good luck with your meeting.

[Robs_altima]

Good luck dude. If a turbo fits, then a supercharger fits, but they would have to pull something like the TRD system for the Scion tc's. If that fits, there must be a way in the Altima.

HA!!! I had one in my tC. I burned up two of those things.... One was a simple oil seal the other was a bearing, had a lot to do with the alignment on the shaft running to the pulleys. Car pulled 138whp on a Dyno Jet completely stock and 196whp with only the supercharger (42% increase). I agree about not wanting to ever s/c a 4 cylinder again but you have to understand it kept 100% of the factory warranty. Then I went turbo and eventually ruined the entire drive train (322whp).

This is one big reason I want to stick with a centrifugal blower. It's proportional to the engine rpm which will keep things low for cruising. While it will only see peak boost very sparingly….. You CVT guys will probably benefit greatly from the rpm and boost

[Mr. Music]

HA!!! I had one in my tC...

Bummer about ruining the car. Anyway, I only posted that to show how it fits. If that fits in there, there will be a way in an Altima.

[mcheddadi]

[...] Hell, just show them all of mcheddadi's power hungry posts, at least they'll know the will get a minimum of 1 sold...

LOL LOL!

[Robs_altima]

It'll fit… Just very interested to see how they plan to setup the whole kit. Just remember TRD did the kit on the tC, all vortec did was supply the blower. They're the ones who had to worry about the R&D that went into the kit from fitment to tuning. This might actually result in a better product seeing how everything is warranted from the kit (3 years) to the engine (factory).

We're not going to be so fortunate, heck the nismo R-tune stuff like the camshafts void factory warranty. Good luck trying to convince a dealer that a cam had nothing to do with engine failure. Although that's kind of a grey area. I had the service manager say there's no warranty for the Nismo parts but the power train will still be upheld if the work is done by the dealer. I don't know.....

[kyle@stillen]

Hey guys,

We are an authorized Vortech distributor and if they decide to make this kit then we will definitely carry it.

One thing to consider is that they have CARB legality and a 3 year, 36,000 mile engine warranty on their 350Z and G35 kits...

[adidas2go]

very nice

[LongBeachCoupe]

I know theres no aprox pricing... but whats the ballpark... 3-4k? i wouldnt want to say im in unless i can foot the bill! 2.5 application??

[adidas2go]

We will see after the meeting this week about what they are interested in producing. I will address: pricing, 2.5/3.5 applications, CVT/6 speed applications, warranty, daily driving tuning/ racing tunability, etc

[LongBeachCoupe]

sweet... adidas for president?

[ADKSaad1387]

dont know too much about forced induction but why is it that 4 cylinders are usually turbo'd and V6's and V8's are Supercharged?

I was reading the TC guys post and he said he wouldn't supercharge a 4 cylinder again.

Hey adidas don't forget to at least mention the sedan...just in case

[TheBourneAltimatum]

turbos and superchargers are the same thing but they both operate differnet.turbos are ran off the vehicles exhuast system. and superchargers are ran off a belt. the reason why superchargers arent that good for 4 cylinders is becuase when the belt spins the turbine inside the S/C it takes away up to 15% of the power from the engine, and 4 cyls are not that powerfull to begin with and you wont really gain much power and it would be a waste of money. if a turbo was kicking out about 8 psi thta would boost the 4 cyls hp upto about 270BHP but with an S/C you will probably only get to about 210BHP.

and those #'s arent 100% accurate there are many other factors invoolved in hp output. i just went off the fact that the atmospheres psi is about 14 and adding a half more atmosphere pressure into your engine

[adidas2go]

turbos and superchargers are the same thing but they both operate differnet.turbos are ran off the vehicles exhuast system. and superchargers are ran off a belt. the reason why superchargers arent that good for 4 cylinders is becuase when the belt spins the turbine inside the S/C it takes away up to 15% of the power from the engine, and 4 cyls are not that powerfull to begin with and you wont really gain much power and it would be a waste of money. if a turbo was kicking out about 8 psi thta would boost the 4 cyls hp upto about 270BHP but with an S/C you will probably only get to about 210BHP.

and those #'s arent 100% accurate there are many other factors invoolved in hp output. i just went off the fact that the atmospheres psi is about 14 and adding a half more atmosphere pressure into your engine

This is true to some extent. However there are many supercharger systems that add a 45%+ hp increase to 4 cyl applications. The parasitic effects of a supercharger aren't devestating, but they are there. A turbo uses wasted exhaust fumes to spin the turbine, to charge the air. A supercharger uses the engines own accessory belt, with the added s/c pulley, to spin a shaft, which spins the turbine. A bigger 4 cyliner, like the 2.5, has the power to spin up a s/c. However a smaller engine, like the 1.6L hondas and such, don't have the power output to spin all the accessory belts and a s/c proficently enough to warrant a supercharger.

[dldjros69]

sweet... adidas for president?

i agree!!!

Also all this talk is making me excited!

S/C for the 2.5.

i cant wait!

[adidas2go]

haha nice, 2 votes for the adidas independent party

[loufoooo]

Assuming that your charm works its magic... do you think that they could use a 2.5 to do some R&D on? I didnt realize these companies were based in my hometown

[Hussain]

Hey guys,

We are an authorized Vortech distributor and if they decide to make this kit then we will definitely carry it.

One thing to consider is that they have CARB legality and a 3 year, 36,000 mile engine warranty on their 350Z and G35 kits...

thank you kyle (and of course blake)! that was going to be my next question, "is it carb legal"? lol and the warranty thing is great! i was initially thinking of waiting till i hit 60,000 miles before i supercharge it or turbo it (my baby lol) but seeing the warranty thing, i'd be willing to get it as soon as i save up enough money (if everything goes good).
Modified by Hussain at 4:30 PM 3/25/2008

[ADKSaad1387]

Thanks for all the info Adidas and Bourne. Welp, if this is produced for the 2.5 Sedan, count me in!!!

[Robs_altima]

This is true to some extent. However there are many supercharger systems that add a 45%+ hp increase to 4 cyl applications. The parasitic effects of a supercharger aren't devestating, but they are there. A turbo uses wasted exhaust fumes to spin the turbine, to charge the air. A supercharger uses the engines own accessory belt, with the added s/c pulley, to spin a shaft, which spins the turbine. A bigger 4 cyliner, like the 2.5, has the power to spin up a s/c. However a smaller engine, like the 1.6L hondas and such, don't have the power output to spin all the accessory belts and a s/c proficently enough to warrant a supercharger.

The biggest thing to remember about the power difference between turbo and a centrifugal Votec S/C besides how the unit is driven is when it kicks in boost. Once a turbo is spooled up the wastegate regulates boost at a sertain psi and keeps it there, the s/c only sees peak boost at redline. Back when I had the scion the debate about power was always disputed, but some of us where so fortunite to go down to the track and race each other.

The prime example is a tC with a TRD (vortec) s/c with a 9.5psi pulley vs a turbo set at 8psi. The s/c tC with supporting mods (I,H,E) pulled 232whp while the turbo pushed 228whp (stock exhaust) both on a dynoJet and peak power numbers. The race was even close. My best time was a 14.8## while the turbo was posting 13.9-14.0, both on street tires. Let me tell you 1.0sec is a huge gap between cars. Now I never once disputed the argument of which made more useable power. The power curve on a turbo has a hug hump in the midrange while the s/c was extremely linear. I think the CVT guys would narrow the gap by a lot on the A/C's just because the s/c won't let up once the rpm hits peak.

Still looking forward to the Vortec Unit over anything else.

[D-Roll]

I'd buy it in a heart beat, if made for the 2.5 though

[cuzzbubba420]

I second that motion, it's making me....

[adidas2go]

Hey guys check it out. I just got in touch with Brian at Vortech and we narrowed it down to this. Vortech doesn't believe there is a market for this kit because I am the very first person to contact them it. Of course they dont see everyday the interest that arises everytime the words "forced induction" are mentioned. So what we need to do is vote more and post more, I would even start calling them and telling them that there is a market for this car. If we do not show that there is indesputible evidence to make this kit, they want a sum of 20,000 to foot 1/5 of the costs to develop the kit. They did say that whoever donated what, that the money would be a down payment towards the kit that you wanted. IE- I put in $1,000 and the kits cost $4,000. My final cost, when the kit is produced would be $3,000. However, I told him there is a slim to none chance, that a group of tuners, would foot 20 grand into something that doesn't exist. There are over 700 views to this thread, and only 35, or so, votes. Why is that? Also, I have linked this thread to them in an email and they will be reading it. WE NEED TO UP THE INETREST, PRONTO
Modified by adidas2go at 8:49 AM 3/26/2008

[FGFCacoupe]

Hopefully when the product is produced, again, I will definately purchase the product.

[LongBeachCoupe]

I can probably kick in for the r&d if they give a good deal when its completed....

Also, as far as engine wear... will the SC or Turbo cause more long term damage?

[nogears909]

voting right now, even if they cant make one for the 2.5 ill vote to get u 3.5ers one

[rjdmmfl1]

Tell them I can kick in another $1000.00 right now also, but I would need something in writing regarding timelines, refunds if they haven't begun production within a certain amount of time... 100% downpayment for the eventual kit I will purchase, etc!

[LongBeachCoupe]

Lets not take out our bankrolls here lol... If i can put it on my amex... and its 2.5... ill prepay the entire nut...

[AltiCoupeDriver]

I didn't expect them to come up with something like this.... pretty lame of them. If turbochargers.com took a risk in this 'non-existing' market why can't they? I know that they're two different products but you'd think Vortech could handle it.