I have a feeling the gasoline here in California is negatively affecting gas mileage. We have our own refineries for formulations dictated by state standards. Not the exact same gas everyone else is using.
I'm really frustrated with the gas mileage on my Versa, but I did look closer at the real world figures reported at the fueleconomy.gov website. Although the 2007 Versa is getting 28.0 on average, cars from California are only reporting an average in the 26s. There are not enough owners reporting in to make it a truly valid sample, but it does indicate that the Versa might not be as efficient on the California formulated gas.
I also wonder how long the gov't will let Nissan get away with false advertising. They are running television ads here touting 35 mpg for the 2008 Versa when the car is rated at 33 hwy max.
GAS SUCKS
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Re: (srellim234)
Oh for the love of Pete, do you people even READ?srellim234 wrote:I also wonder how long the gov't will let Nissan get away with false advertising. They are running television ads here touting 35 mpg for the 2008 Versa when the car is rated at 33 hwy max.
1) they advertise it at 36, not 35... because of the 2007 CVT's EPA estimates of 36 MPG.
2) The ad CLEARLY states it is based on said 2007 CVT EPA claims
3) Said ad is a clearance ad for 2007 models, not an advertisement for 2008 models.
4) THE GOVERNMENT ISSUED THE RATING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Swear to god, the next person who uses the words "false advertising" and "EPA ratings" in the same sentence is getting banned.
(Yes, your moderator is having a bad day. La de freaking da)
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Well gas in the Chicago area varies by where you are as well. This is for a number of reasons.
1. County Taxes...Cook County (where the City of Chicago is located) generally charges a higher tax
2. Regional gas formulations. Areas with larger volumes of traffic are mandated by the EPA to use special formulations of gasoline to reduce emissions...in other words, the closer you are to a big city the more gas costs.
3. State taxes...this was described in a thread above...basically for me if I drive to Indian which isn;t that far...gas is cheaper there.
And frankly...the V is no worse and depending on the type of driving I do...sometimes BETTER than any other car I've ever owned (1997 Chevy Cavalier A/T and 2000 Kia Sephia M/T)
1. County Taxes...Cook County (where the City of Chicago is located) generally charges a higher tax
2. Regional gas formulations. Areas with larger volumes of traffic are mandated by the EPA to use special formulations of gasoline to reduce emissions...in other words, the closer you are to a big city the more gas costs.
3. State taxes...this was described in a thread above...basically for me if I drive to Indian which isn;t that far...gas is cheaper there.
And frankly...the V is no worse and depending on the type of driving I do...sometimes BETTER than any other car I've ever owned (1997 Chevy Cavalier A/T and 2000 Kia Sephia M/T)
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Re: (Ever Victorious)
Ever- then go ahead and ban me. The ad that ran here was a LOCAL ad for southern California dealers and ONLY mentioned 2008 models. It did NOT state that the figures quoted were based on 2007 models, although they may have put it in the fine legal print on the bottom of the screen that no one can read.
Sorry you're having a bad day, but you're also 1,000 miles and two states removed from the ad I saw.
Sorry you're having a bad day, but you're also 1,000 miles and two states removed from the ad I saw.
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Re: GAS SUCKS (anthonyrod1)
I will describe just a few of the "facts" discovered over the past week-end relative to "gas sucks". I found it interesting and hope it encourages you to follow up.
A number of years ago the EPA redefined the gasoline market allowing (ie-setting) three different tiers ( tier-1 also called Top Tier, tier=2, and tier-3) for selling gasoline. These tiers are defined by the amount and type of additives blended into gas. http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EP...2.htm There are also other important rules under this EPA section that should be read.
Four automotive companies;, Honda, GM, Toyota, and BMW pushed the EPA to better define how these tiers should be differeentiated because of the impact to automobiles meeting pollution abatement standards. Here is just one manufacturer's document. http://www.gmfleet.com/pdf/Tec...e.pdf. Even though it is a couple of years old, it identifies in general and specifically companies selling gas with the highest amount of fuel additives. Short, but interesting.
Finally, the next reference is from Shell Oil Company and describes one set of tests conducted on Dodge trucks. It is http://www.scottoilinc.com/home/index.php.
This is but a sampling of material available for anyone to read and form an opinion. To some extent my reseach support the view refiners are being greedy and causing our "gas sucks" opinion, but the government helped.
My view.
A number of years ago the EPA redefined the gasoline market allowing (ie-setting) three different tiers ( tier-1 also called Top Tier, tier=2, and tier-3) for selling gasoline. These tiers are defined by the amount and type of additives blended into gas. http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EP...2.htm There are also other important rules under this EPA section that should be read.
Four automotive companies;, Honda, GM, Toyota, and BMW pushed the EPA to better define how these tiers should be differeentiated because of the impact to automobiles meeting pollution abatement standards. Here is just one manufacturer's document. http://www.gmfleet.com/pdf/Tec...e.pdf. Even though it is a couple of years old, it identifies in general and specifically companies selling gas with the highest amount of fuel additives. Short, but interesting.
Finally, the next reference is from Shell Oil Company and describes one set of tests conducted on Dodge trucks. It is http://www.scottoilinc.com/home/index.php.
This is but a sampling of material available for anyone to read and form an opinion. To some extent my reseach support the view refiners are being greedy and causing our "gas sucks" opinion, but the government helped.
My view.