G50 Successor

[Jesda]

The spiritual successor to the G50 is the E38 BMW 7-series and E39 5-series.

[qship96]

I think the Audi A8L is the modern day Q....the BMW is too techy and overcomplicated to carry on the spirit of a G50

[maxnix]

I think the Audi A8L is the modern day Q....the BMW is too techy and overcomplicated to carry on the spirit of a G50

Audi A8 is way too unreliable and too costly to repair according to the A* forums I have read. And any car with most of it's engine in front of the front axle.......

I have to say the new Genesis V8 may be the sleeper if firmer springs and shocks come from the aftermarket.

Or the new M50 with the 7 speed auto, but no VLSD.

Actually the E550 is interesting too as it is dimensionally similar, faster, 7 speed auto but I think only available with air suspension. New one due very soon.

[Peterofdevon]

I think the Audi A8L is the modern day Q....the BMW is too techy and overcomplicated to carry on the spirit of a G50

The new 7 series may change our minds.

Peter

[NightRiderQ45]

I have to say the new Genesis V8 may be the sleeper if firmer springs and shocks come from the aftermarket.

This car keeps coming up so I'm sorry but I have to be the negative one here. I have a friend that is a engineer for Hyundai and also a friend that is an operator at one of their plants and they both said that they wouldn't purchase that car. The engineer said that they basically tried to copy "certain" cars concepts and apply it to this car. I mean, if you take the time the look at it, you can see "certain" cars just by the body alone. Plus for $40k...ummm I would stick with Infiniti/Lexus. I wanted to purchase the Mercedes CLS550, but I read too many horror reliability stories with that model..even worse with the CLS500. My next purchase will either be some type of Infiniti or the Lexus GS350.

[NightRiderQ45]

The new 7 series may change our minds.

Peter

They have a new 7 series coming out!!!! Where is it, where is it!?!?!?!?!?

[maxnix]

The engineer said that they basically tried to copy "certain" cars concepts and apply it to this car.

I wonder whose front suspension with 4 ball joints and forged aluminum arms they copied?

[qship96]

2009 bmw 7 hits showrooms in March 2009.....only engine at release will be 4.4 twinturbo v8.....sounds like a great overstressed overcomplicated powertrain good for the short term lease set- would love to see how that fares at typical g50 engine longeity standards{300-350Kmiles}

My 96Q motor at 218K uses less than 1/2 quart of oil in 5,000 miles and other than 1 pair of knock sensors and 1 TPS, has required NOTHING other than sparkplugs, oil changes, and one reseal of valve covers.

[maxnix]

There are no overengineered V8 made any more unless it is the Porsche non-turbo charged one as it is also a closed deck design. Maybe the Aston Martin V8? Probably the Koenigsegg! Have to wait on the AMG 6.2L. Very nice design, though.

The Hyundai Tau V8 looks like they incorporated the best practices of many and the initial results speak for themselves.

[qship96]

My friends 06 750li has visited the dealer over and over for frustrating electrical issues....excuse always seems to be "we needed to reflash and update the computer"......geez, sounds more like he bought a computer system with windows vista than a $85,000 car..... oil monitor is telling him to change oil/filter at average of 16,000-18,000 miles,and he is following it! Since the car has no oil dipstick,owners cant even get a peak at how filthy disguting it must look by 1/3 that amount of miles{planned for that reason I would guess} the 50,000 mile "free" servicing doesnt mean much at those intervals!!!

[Rex]

FYI - I split this thread out as it became it's own vein of conversation.

[qship96]

Brian, what I find interesting with the new genesis v8 is how small the difference in advertised power is between using regular fuel{368hp} compared to premium fuel{375hp}.....if accurate,using regular fuel seems a no brainer for that miniscule difference.

[slybydesignq45t]

Believe it or not I was hired by a private party (Hourly) to learn how to use/drive a 2008 LS460. It is one of my favorite designed cars of today. The owner has passed me every single document, manual, cd that came with the car. As a car guy I was pleased. The LS460 is a super tech car that needs that kind of learning approach. I am very impressed with the amenities and interior design all around. This weekend I will drive it. There seems to be minimal technical issues with the LS460 as I am a part of that forum too.

One thing I can't get over is how most cars of today utilize many design aspects of the Q45 and Q45T. The size of the car is great and smooth ride and power are of todays standards. If your lucky and have a very clean one, then some people can't even tell its a mid 90's car. But if they are left looking crappy then the age shows, like a celebrity .

Many cars like the 300m/c, BMW 7 series and w220 pull up next to me or speed up to me and ride with me for a couple of seconds then zoom off. I feel bad when Camry's do it because I'm like "Nope" , I feel embarrassed when Bentlys do it , but all in all if you was to modernize the G50 with all the bells and whistles you would have an up to date car that can with stand the test of time.

[Jesda]

I think the Audi A8L is the modern day Q....the BMW is too techy and overcomplicated to carry on the spirit of a G50

Of current offerings, I think I agree. A friend of mine had an E65 and was too happy to get rid of it. It was ugly and a nightmare. Guys on the forum call it the worst thing BMW ever built.

The E38 that preceded it was among the finest luxury cars ever made. I got to spend a couple hours flogging a V12 long-wheelbase version, and it is up there as being one of the nicest cars I've ever driven.



Oh yeah, V12 gets 23mpg on the highway.

[maxnix]

FYI - I split this thread out as it became it's own vein of conversation.

Good job, Rex!

[maxnix]

Brian, what I find interesting with the new genesis v8 is how small the difference in advertised power is between using regular fuel{368hp} compared to premium fuel{375hp}.....if accurate,using regular fuel seems a no brainer for that miniscule difference.

That intrigues me also. For 7% less fuel expense, those 7 ponies won't be missed that much.

[sijoko]

Of current offerings, I think I agree. A friend of mine had an E65 and was too happy to get rid of it. It was ugly and a nightmare. Guys on the forum call it the worst thing BMW ever built.

The E38 that preceded it was among the finest luxury cars ever made. I got to spend a couple hours flogging a V12 long-wheelbase version, and it is up there as being one of the nicest cars I've ever driven.



Oh yeah, V12 gets 23mpg on the highway.

This 7 series is the best one ever. All the ones after it have been atrocious with goofy angles and too much techno wizardry.

[Q451990]

Believe it or not I was hired by a private party (Hourly) to learn how to use/drive a 2008 LS460. It is one of my favorite designed cars of today. The owner has passed me every single document, manual, cd that came with the car.

Could you expand on this a bit?

On one hand, having to hire a tutor to wade through the bells and whistles is a little scary - on the other hand, where do I send my resume?!

Heath

[gammer_ghn]

November La auto show! My friend works with the Nissan and Infiniti department of the show and he tells me of a new Q which will have a brother with a turbo charger as a higher spec option! So the G50 is just arriving if you asking me?! Since initially the old G50 is a 4.5L. 2 months left till we see whats up.

[Infinitiguy19]

O man please tell me they will rethink the turbo and add a super charger instead or a turbo/super charger setup (Low RPM super charger/High RPM Turbo).

[gammer_ghn]

Well if i was sure his for real ide be spilling my guts here my friend! No but his my coworkers brother and this kid is a good kid... Funny how im calling a 26 year old a kid haha. No but Nissan killed turbo lag off of the GTR so i think they have something up there sleeve like fuel economy till 2500RPM than sheer madness after 3000? I can work with that! defiantly.

[Infinitiguy19]

Wonder how they did. They must have used a smaller turbo to spool up the bigger one faster I would think, But I will read up on it.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I think the Audi A8L is the modern day Q....the BMW is too techy and overcomplicated to carry on the spirit of a G50

E65/66, yes. The E38 NO. The E38 is a car very much in the same vein as the G50: it's a low, wide, powerful luxury car that's designed to entertain the driver even more than it does the passengers. They're fantastic handling cars and are NOT anaesthetized by excessive gadgets like the E65/66 is.

I have a lot of love for the A8 as well, though.

They have a new 7 series coming out!!!! Where is it, where is it!?!?!?!?!?

zerothread?id=367340

Plus for $40k...ummm I would stick with Infiniti/Lexus.

I agree that the Genesis doesn't really belong in any discussion of BMW/Audi/Infiniti competitors or "spiritual successors," but I don't agree with this point at all. $40k doesn't get you much Infiniti or Lexus at all. A G37 or IS350 (eeeew) cost nearly $40k and they're TINY and ugly. The IS may as well have been a 2 seat coupe for all the viability of it's rear seats. The G isn't as bad but is still far from roomy. A GS costs $45k for a BASE V6. M35 a couple grand less. The Genesis is bigger and more powerful than all these cars.

Still, the Genesis is clearly a luxury people mover and NOT an enthusiast toy, so it'll likely never end up in my garage. But to say that for the price you'd rather go with an established luxury brand is silly. The Genesis is close to HALF the price of it's competition.

[gammer_ghn]

Nuff said. saw one on the street... Not impressed

[NightRiderQ45]

$40k doesn't get you much Infiniti or Lexus at all. A G37 or IS350 (eeeew) cost nearly $40k and they're TINY and ugly. The IS may as well have been a 2 seat coupe for all the viability of it's rear seats. The G isn't as bad but is still far from roomy. A GS costs $45k for a BASE V6. M35 a couple grand less. The Genesis is bigger and more powerful than all these cars.

Are you serious?? $40k will get you any car in the Infiniti line up! You must be speaking of brand new cars!? Sorry, I don't and will never purchased a new car with 0 mileage. You can find used cars with low mileage and great maintenance performed to it and your are good. I'll let the idiot previous owner take the depreciation hit as soon as he drives the new car off of the lot. The Lexus GS350 has less hp, but who cares. That will probably be my next purchase and yes you can find those for around $40k. I will never purchase a Hyundai and especially this Genesis for $40k!

Thanks for the link to the new 7 series but unfortunately I was highly dissapointed!! I like the version before this one better! The tail lights look horrible and from the side profile view, it looks like the Lexus LS 460!!!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Ahh, well I assumed that since you were comparing to the Genesis (which can only be had NEW at this point) you were talking new all around.

I'm right there with you as far as not buying new cars. There are plenty of used Infinitis and Cadillacs that'll keep me happy for less than a new car.

Funny that you say the profile view of the new 7 looks like the LS when the side profile of the LS is IDENTICAL to the LAST 7, which has a much different profile than the new one. A while back when the current LS debuted, someone here posted a picture that overlaid the two cars (E65 and LS) and the profiles were a dead match--down to the trunk lid lip spoilers. I'll see if I can find it.

EDITHere it is:



and separate:



Here's the original thread:zerothread?id=195198

[maxnix]

That's very interesting.

I originally thought the NICO chaffeur was speaking of a LS430 because the LS460 is a much larger car and in no way comparable to the G50 - too techno, too soft handling, too heavy. Even the LS430 is noticeably larger. Why I suggested the MB E series or even the 5er which are almost identical to the G50 in wheelbase and weight.

[slybydesignq45t]

Holy Scrap Yard Batmen. Wow. I wonder if you can do that image comparison with the new Honda Accord, Nissan Maxima and BMW 5 Series....

[maxnix]

I wonder if you can do that image comparison with the new Honda Accord, Nissan Maxima and BMW 5 Series....

The first two are apples and the last one is an orange.