G50 Q45 1/4 Mile...

[regtwelve]

I just searched google for "1993 q45 1/4 mile", within .13 seconds I had 20,300 hits. After clicking twice, I found these numbers for 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

7.5 --- 0-60 15.6--1/4 mile

These times of course are from when the car was relatively new. I highly doubt these times are still valid as these cars are now quite old and worn and beat down.

I then went to Kelly Blue book and looked up the retail value of the car.It's around $3,000.

Even considering you haven't figured out the beauty of search engines, I wonder why you think a 15 year old 4,000 pound dinosaur could possibly compete with an S2000? I'm astounded.

The fact that you are simply seeking advice from others doesn't excuse the silly question either.

So, to answer your question, unless you want to blow the car up with nitrous, no, this is not the daily luxo driver that will beat S2000's.

[jimbyjimb]

It wouldn't necessarily be better for daily use,, but it would certainly drop time on a stoplight drag. The best part is the TCC, all the benefits of high-stall with no drawbacks.

In any case, the Q is a 4000lb car with 300hp. Just like any muscle car that runs 10's began as. The Q is best viewed as a high-end Japanese answer to BMW and Mercedes full-sizers of the day, a simple passenger car with high build quality and luxurious appointments. Wouldn't take much to make it a high-end Japanese muscle car. Keep in mind this thing is real expensive to own, but other members have posted info about the converters, 1 piece drivelines with u-joints, suspension upgrades, all kinds of motor mods, transmission mods, axle ratio changes, and I'm sure someone has come up with a high strength axle for this car. You came to the right place to build a monster Q, if that is your goal. Every car has room for performance improvement, and all rules apply here also. The sweetest thing about it is that you could make a great compromise between luxury and dead-nuts performance with this car. It does just about everything well and with a little decline in luxury you could have a very competitive track or street machine.

[Discerning]

I just searched google for "1993 q45 1/4 mile", within .13 seconds I had 20,300 hits. After clicking twice, I found these numbers for 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

7.5 --- 0-60 15.6--1/4 mile

These times of course are from when the car was relatively new. I highly doubt these times are still valid as these cars are now quite old and worn and beat down.

I then went to Kelly Blue book and looked up the retail value of the car.It's around $3,000.

Even considering you haven't figured out the beauty of search engines, I wonder why you think a 15 year old 4,000 pound dinosaur could possibly compete with an S2000? I'm astounded.

The fact that you are simply seeking advice from others doesn't excuse the silly question either.

So, to answer your question, unless you want to blow the car up with nitrous, no, this is not the daily luxo driver that will beat S2000's.

I was being sarcastic, buddy... What I was really after was personal 1/4 mile times. I don't care what magazines got. I know all about albeedigital and I know how to use search engines. I wanted to hear PERSONAL times. Alright? Understand? Hopefully you do.

As for your daily crack, nearly any top off the line luxo sedan will beat an s2000. From a G35 sedan, cts-v, AMG, SRT8 300c, M3 sedan, the list goes on and on. I'm sure you're aware of the VH45DE's potential, why not unlock it? To think a car is limited by what it did 18 years ago is silly. I just wanted some personal experience. Do you have any? If you do, post it. If not, bye bye....

[Discerning]

I don't see where the confusion is coming from? I want the car as a DD with some oomph on the highway. BUT, to say the car is incapable of impressive numbers is foolish. From what I've read up on my own the VH45DE is a very potent motor. A car can't be quick because it's heavy and old????? HUH?? Then I guess all the modded Muscle cars and Chevelle's of the 60's should stop running in the single digits. I mean hell, every 100 pounds is supposedly equivalent to one tenth of a second. An LT1 camaro weighs 3500lbs and makes 275hp dynoing at around 240rwhp (less through an auto). The Q45 from this logic should be 5 tenths of a second slower (especially considering what a vh45de actually dyno's at the crank. A LT1 can dip into high 13's, so is the Q45 capable of mid 14's? Now, I understand that the car doesn't get off the line well and tends to dyno around 220rwhp, but the car doesn't seem to be a slouch from what I'm hearing...

TO CLEAR ALL OF THIS UP to those who are deeply confused :I want to hear personal times from PEOPLE, I don't care what magazines have reported. If anything I would like to see trap speeds, I couldn't care less about ETs. If you don't have any, are deeply confused by my inquire, or have nothing constructive to say, then please feel free to press the backspace key. To those with first hand experience (including highway roll races) please tell me all about. Thanks to those who are willing to contribute, bye bye to those who can't-Rob

[maxnix]

The only problem with other people's G50 in other places at other times furning furl form other sources and different borometric pressures using other tires on other tracks means their times have no relation to what your G50 might run at any particucar time.

The only thing that really matters at any particular time is what your G50 runs then. And as you know, standing starts are not a G50 forte. Mass, torque and gearing really do matter, especially from a standing start.

[96Qowner]

Here are some old threads discussing real-world 1/4 mile times and mods by NICO members.

Q45 - Post your best 1/4 mile time slips

Q45 1/4 mile times

Going to the 1/4 mile track tomorrow

1/4 ET Drag Strip

I join Wes in apologizing for the tools.

The Q45 excels in accelerating from 40mph or higher. Getting it off the line is a problem, and 2nd gear tops out at an awkward speed for 1/4 mile times.

[Discerning]

Here are some old threads discussing real-world 1/4 mile times and mods by NICO members.

Q45 - Post your best 1/4 mile time slips

Q45 1/4 mile times

Going to the 1/4 mile track tomorrow

1/4 ET Drag Strip

I join Wes in apologizing for the tools.

The Q45 excels in accelerating from 40mph or higher. Getting it off the line is a problem, and 2nd gear tops out at an awkward speed for 1/4 mile times.

Thanks.I searched Q34 1/4 mile, and Q45 1320 and didn't get anything like this.Thanks a lot.

[Discerning]

I'm guessing the Q45 runs 15s because of it's gearing and lack of ability to get off the line. Because, I mean, there are heavier cars with comparable power that run mid 14's. One example is a mid 90's Merc. 500sl, 4200lbs and 310hp but runs mid 14's. From what I'm hearing the Q45 really doesn't get off the line too well and could shift a lot crisper. That's not really a big deal for me though. I'm not interested in going to the track in it, I'll save that for ther Z (though I don't like the 1320 in anything). Afterall I literally live a block from I-90, the biggest thruway in NY that goes directly to my school and work.

[Jeff Williams]

I beleive the key to better performance from the car is the transmission. First of all a high stall converter woud help on the stop light-to-stoplight runs, but not so much on the highway. A better/stronger valve body in the transmission and higer pressure should help on the 2-3 and 3-4 shifts and this should help both on the dragstrip and the highway (if you choolse to illegally race your car on public roads, endangering countless lives and your future freedom).

I have put on the custom ECU, but it is not able to give the optimal air/fuel ratio with the OEM oxygen sensors. I have also installed a custom 2.25" free-flow exhaust with an x-pipe. It makes the car sound much better, but did not help the performance any. I have installed the Stillen POP charger, which addded some under the hood growl, but not much performance gains.

I have a 4.11 rear-end that should help off-the-line performance, but will hurt the overall highway mileage and top-end (that is wht I hesitate to install it).

With a good shifting transmission, the car should reach the low 15's and maybe into the 14's. My car's best, with 160,000 miles on the drivetrain, in hot humid weather, is in the low 16's. I think, with my 2,800 stall converter and the beefed up transmission, it should pick up 1.5 seconds.

I am working on an oxygen sensor and MAF sensor adjuster, which should give me infinite adjustments on-the-fly. That way, I can adjust for gas octane as well as barometric changes. I can tune the car for better gas mileage or better performance.

The best thing you can do, to intimidate others, is to paint the car black, tint the windows, and add a Dale Earnhardt "3" on the rear glass!

Good luck with the car. You will find that putting twice as much money into the Q45 will net you half as good of results as the 300ZX.

[Discerning]

I know.I think I'm going to pick up a 90-91 Q45 for the driver's experience and do a president conversion. That alone will set me back a few grand which is a great deal more than I'd like to spend on a daily then I would on my Z. The thing is that once I see a cool daily, I can't help but imagine pumping more and more money into it and making it nicer and newer. I don't really like new cars, my 98 jeep is far too new for me. I think I'll do light stuff and save the under the knife work for the Z or maybe the s13 if I don't end up selling the POS.

[Discerning]

I'm also considered a 93-94 SC300 but they're pretty ugly and way too much for a car with 200kmi. Right now I think it's a toss up between finding a nice sc300 or a nice Q45, but I've always been loyal to nissan so I think I know what I'm really looking for. I'm a pretty indecisive person

[Rex]

As mentioned before search for any thread/posts by Riswicki, he (prior to the turbos) did the most modifications amongst the US NICO Q owners.

I owned the car he modded (both with and without the higher stall/Level 10 trans), and have to say, for highway driving, the higher stall wasn't missed. The lower (higher numeric) rear gear did make a difference both in responsiveness and MPG's.

I now have an SC400 and will tell you an SC300 (even if a 5 speed) will not give you want you're looking for in stock form. There is A LOT more aftermarket available for the SC300, and if you've been reading up on SC's you know what's out there for it. Heck there's even guys running 6 spd swapped SC'ed SC400's.

If you like Nissan and want a big fast car, find an older Q45, get it back to good mechanical shape (suspension, brakes, fuel pump/filter, injectors, plugs, knocks, o2's, fluids, etc) add a NICO ECU and then see what you think it needs (braking, 60-100 pep, high speed stability).

Budget $10K or more before you do anything about looks.

[Discerning]

As mentioned before search for any thread/posts by Riswicki, he (prior to the turbos) did the most modifications amongst the US NICO Q owners.

I owned the car he modded (both with and without the higher stall/Level 10 trans), and have to say, for highway driving, the higher stall wasn't missed. The lower (higher numeric) rear gear did make a difference both in responsiveness and MPG's.

I now have an SC400 and will tell you an SC300 (even if a 5 speed) will not give you want you're looking for in stock form. There is A LOT more aftermarket available for the SC300, and if you've been reading up on SC's you know what's out there for it. Heck there's even guys running 6 spd swapped SC'ed SC400's.

If you like Nissan and want a big fast car, find an older Q45, get it back to good mechanical shape (suspension, brakes, fuel pump/filter, injectors, plugs, knocks, o2's, fluids, etc) add a NICO ECU and then see what you think it needs (braking, 60-100 pep, high speed stability).

Budget $10K or more before you do anything about looks.

Yeah. It's all so damn tempting. I just need to find a good deal. THAT will setermine what I buy. I'll leave the heavy stuff for my other cars. he he he. The sc300 is tempting from what I've read, but it wouldn't stay stock long (which if anything is tempting me to stay away/ MONEY MOD PIT).

[Rex]

Yeah. It's all so damn tempting. I just need to find a good deal. THAT will setermine what I buy. I'll leave the heavy stuff for my other cars. he he he. The sc300 is tempting from what I've read, but it wouldn't stay stock long (which if anything is tempting me to stay away/ MONEY MOD PIT).

Not sure how far you are from Cleveland, but there's a decent deal on a project Q there. Check NICO's classifieds.

As for the SC300 and NA-T. Have you looked at an older GS300 and giving it the NA-T and a 5 speed? There's so much more SC300 modification support and options.

My SC400 is in no way as sporty as Da Beast (Riswicki's old car) was. Of course a 98 or newer SC400 with VVT and a 5pd AT, would def be sportier.

[Discerning]

I know all about the sc300 and it's aftermarket. I've got a buddy with an NA-T IS300 and a couple supra friends. I never hear the end of their crap. It would be pretty funny to have my Z32 tt and an NA-T sc300. I might sell my 240 too, it's sort of a pig and I'd rather mod my Z32 than swap or NA-T my 240. I'm thinking project Q or project NA-T 2jz...

[Discerning]

Not sure how far you are from Cleveland, but there's a decent deal on a project Q there. Check NICO's classifieds.

As for the SC300 and NA-T. Have you looked at an older GS300 and giving it the NA-T and a 5 speed? There's so much more SC300 modification support and options.

My SC400 is in no way as sporty as Da Beast (Riswicki's old car) was. Of course a 98 or newer SC400 with VVT and a 5pd AT, would def be sportier.

Oh yeah, the GS300. Damn it all that's even more tempting. That took away the sc300's ugly looks AND its a sedan. God damnit. I hope the nissan gods won't be angry with me...

[Rex]

Oh yeah, the GS300. Damn it all that's even more tempting. That took away the sc300's ugly looks AND its a sedan. God damnit. I hope the nissan gods won't be angry with me...

There's actually a TT swapped GS300 for sale on CL right now.

There's def a difference between NA and FI power. You just have to decide what you really want and can (convince yourself to) spend the money on.

[Discerning]

Yeah. I'm really greedy though. I'm worried I would start pouring money into my daily, make it into a project, and need another daily . Eh, I guess I can hold back on all my entertainment funds and pour even more of ALL my money into cars. That's the only way to live after all, isn't it? No honey, that ring is not plastic, well... I needed money for my JWT 700's (I wish).

I guess it all comes down to the deal I can find.

[elwesso]

With all due respect [Brian], is Q45tech the new benchmark for if something is worthwhile or not? Different strokes for different folks.

Keith, honestly the stall in that car was not high enough to really matter, it was only like 2400 or something slightly higher than stock. I have a 3000 in mine and it makes a big difference. Ask jamesmost what he thinks of his new TC!

[Fastlane]

My best run was 15.3 in the quarter mile, not to shabby for a ten year old car with 160K. I met Rob at Moroso. I think he ran 14.2 with a new 4.08 rear end he installed.

My 96 Q was one of the best car I've owned...... total class act from design to performance. I really think the G50's were one of those designs that is inexhaustible..... it always works, and it still runs with the new boys.

[DoinkMobb]

If you want to make your car slower off the line, add 18" rims. Of course, the wider contact patch and high performance tires more than make up for the added slowness from a start.

Nah, the Q is at home on the highway. I love stomping it on the on ramp and feeling the car surge forward with ease. Hitting the accelerator in my wife's Accent at highway speeds just produces loud, buzzy engine noises.

The Q has many factors working against it as others have mentioned - weight, gearing, luxury tuned transmission. Get it in good running condition, add a NICO ECU and maybe drop a little weight and see where that gets you - do those things and I'm sure you'd make quick work of the ricers and maybe surprise the big boys.

[maxnix]

With all due respect [Brian], is Q45tech the new benchmark for if something is worthwhile or not? Different strokes for different folks.

In all honesty, yes, even years before you appeared here, so his benchmarks are not "new" but rather well extablished. Not only has he tried many modifications, but he documented them with before and after data.

There are valid reasons he has not adopted a 4.08 differential and highstall torque converter. It' s all in his previous posts, some perhaps not on this board.

But different strokes. I bet he'll still run you. I think Rob's car is the only one that might have had a chance.

[jimbyjimb]

What I want to know is why there hasn't been someone to bench these heads and swap cams out, inject the snot out of it and swap on longtubes and dual 2 and half pipes. I'm sure the heads flow well already, but benching them and swapping cams in would make a huge difference in terms of HP, and diminished wallet size. There's got to be some crazy old man with a sickening scary Q out there somewheres.