Future Classic Cars?

[Jesda]

Did some reading on classic cars, as I've been pondering a hobby (like the Q isn't enough) and was wondering, what modern cars will become classics? I'm trying to exclude overt exotics from the list, and looking more at conventional vehicles that are less obvious.

Here's some I think will reach collector status thirty or fourty years from now:

1984-87 Turbo Regal/Grand National (according to Hemmings) -- Already a classic. Undriven showroom-like examples sell for over $40k.

1994-96 Roadmaster Estate Wagon (according to Hemmings) -- The last great American station wagon. (RWD, big engine, full size.)

1988- 91 Reatta (according to Hemmings) -- The last Buick luxury sports coupe, and incredibly rare as it accounted for 1% of Buick sales in its time. With the cancellation of the Velite, should remain that way. Tons of technology for its time, including a touch screen and built-in cell phone.

1995-99 Riviera (according to Hemmings) --The pinnacle of Buick styling and design and the last of its kind. The end of a richly historic nameplate that goes back decades.

1995-1996 Chevy Impala SS -- Still appreciating in value, sough after by enthusiasts looking for a full-size RWD sport sedan.

2002 Cadillac Eldorado -- The pinnacle of Cadillac's international styling theme and the end of a 50 year old model, marking the end of an era for Cadillac.

1990-1998 Mazda Miata -- Lotus Elan copycat. The only 'British' roadster that was practical to own, because it was made in Japan. Oozing with character and easy on the eyes. Inspiration for the Z3, Z4, SLK, Solstice, and every other roadster sold in America.

Nissan 300ZX TT

2003 Nissan 350Z -- Stirs emotion and has historical significance as the car that marks Nissan's big turnaround. Plus, there's that whole Z-car legacy.

1993-2002 Mazda RX-7 -- The beginning and end of Mazda's foray into semi-exotic sports cars. Exciting styling, somewhat exotic impracticality, with remarkable performance make it desirable. 1991-1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible -- Rare and very stylish. The last topless Olds and one of the nicest from GM.

2003 Chevy Camaro -- Only if this really is the LAST Camaro. Anniversary edition could appreciate in value 25 years from now.

2003 Mercury Marauder -- Low production, high desirability. Much like the Impala SS. Heritage nameplate on a truly American RWD V8 sport sedan.

1993-1997 Lincoln Mark VIII -- Low production, high desirability. Like the Riviera, its the pinnacle of Lincoln style and RWD V8 performance, and may never return again.

Acura NSX

2005 Chevy SSR -- New 400HP V8 and the fact that its a sales flop will make it rare and sought after years from now.

2005 Pontiac GTO -- New 400HP V8 and the fact that its a sales flop will make it rare and sought after years from now.

The last BMW 7-series. -- Universally loved, fairly easy to own. The new one looks like dog****. Rare enough to be fairly exclusive.

Cadillac Allante -- Bodies designed and made in Italy, shipped to the US. Rare, but questionable styling and build quality in early years makes them iffy as classics. Resale values are appreciating anyway.

Pontiac 6000STE -- Will take time to become collectible, as theyre a bit ugly and share body panels with the Chevy Celebrity. However, AWD, lots of positive press, and some unique styling cues help it stand out.

1990 Oldsmobile Toronado/Trofeo -- A somewhat historic name and clean looks. Tons of technology for its time, including a touch screen and built-in cell phone. Deemed a future classic by collector magazines.

2002 Oldsmobile Aurora -- The pinnacle of Oldsmobile styling, technology, and performance before the brand came to an end. Northstar-based V8, excellent build quality, and a slick body make it desirable. Deemed a future classic by collector magazines.

Mercedes-Benz 500E -- The strength of DaimlerBenz and the soul of Porsche. The ultimate stealth/sleeper sedan.

Possible classics:

The last BMW 5-series. -- Universally loved, fairly easy to own. The new one looks like dog****.

Ford Taurus SHO before 1996 -- Clean styling, rare, but lacking in visual appeal.

Lexus SC400 -- Dull in appearance but high on refinement, performance, and desirability. Could be forgotten or could be coveted years from now.

1990 Toyota MR2 Turbo

Acura Legend -- Highly regarded by enthusiasts and good at what they do. Outside of people in "the know", they lack long-term desirability.

1990 Infiniti M30 Convertible -- Hard to find in good condition and interesting enough to be desirable. It seems unlikely that they'll appreciate in value.

Not classics:

1990 Infiniti Q45 -- It has cultural significance as a vehicle that marked the end of American dominance of the luxury auto market (the Cadillac killer, along with Lexus). However, most Americans dont feel comfortable celebrating that fact. Its not a point of pride that stirs positive emotions and good vibes.

Nissan 240SX -- It may be difficult in the future to find an unabused example that hasn't been tarted up, making clean original versions desirable for anyone looking to relive their youth. In stock form or as vehicles to covet and keep garaged, they don't stir emotion.

1992-1995 Mazda 929 -- Could have been, for its sleek and unique interior and exterior styling as well as unique luxury features (solar panel in the sunroof), but wont be due to the absence of a luxury nameplate and sales so poor that most people don't know it exists. Even current owners don't see them as desirable. Mazda, at the time, greatly ignored it and let it sit stale in showrooms.

Wildcards:

Trucks and SUVs. A handful could become collectible, like the Harley version of the F150, the Ford Lightning, the Ram SRT-10, the Blackwood, and a small handful of others. People now, unlike years past, drive and treat them like cars. The GMC Syclone and Typhoon are already appreciating in value.

In general, its difficult for Japanese cars to become classics, as they tend to be emotionally empty and lacking in character. The anglocentric collector culture quietly regards Japan as 'the enemy', and probably always will.

[MinisterofDOOM]

In general, its difficult for Japanese cars to become classics, as they tend to be emotionally empty and lacking in character. The anglocentric collector culture quietly regards Japan as 'the enemy', and probably always will.

WHAT!?!?!?!

Japanese cars are not limited to Toyota and Suzuki. Subie, Honda, and Nissan all make cars with morse soul than Chevy and Fords' entire lineups. It's not being japanese that makes the cars boring, it's being targeted at budget buyers. The current Impala is just as boring as the Camry. Japanese cars are not boring, econo cars are boring. (remember, I am an american car guy if I have a car "nationality." I just happen to like Nissan, too.)

I agree with your classics and possible classics list, but I think maybe the "non classics" is a bit off. The Q was a car with many many firsts, as well you know, and it'll become classic for the same reason as the ford Skyliner.

And since when does a 240sx not stir emotion? The S13 hatch is one of the most "must...drive...fast...NOW!" inspiring cars in history. I agree it won't be a classic--for the same reason the Civic will never be one: EVERYONE has one. But they are certainly not lacking soul (well, the S14 and S15 are, but not the S13).

As for SUVs. I think that in thirty years they'll be like the station wagon was in the late 80s and early 90s: BAD! People will be so damn sick and tired of them they won't want to have to see another one in their entire life. The new generation of buyers will like them, much like our generation tends to like Station wagons while our progenitors despise them. But the SUV is going to be shunned in 30 years, not embraced as classic. Are there any SUVs on the road that are standout enough today to become distinguishable from eachother in thirty years? I don't see any. Not even the Escalade.

Trucks? Yeah, the ones you listed, especially the Blackwood, due to extreme rarity as well as pure pimpitude.

I think the not classic list needs to include more toyota, suzuki, VW, chevy, and ford models. Toyota makes nothing that could ever be classic. They'll be the crap beaters that are still alive and still hated in thirty years. Suzuki won't last that long--maybe that will in turn make them classic---but then they're so damn ugly that they wouldn't even be classic for the odd styling. Chevy and Ford right now, aside from their flagship supercars/sportscars are as mundane as it gets. VW is the same, only less reliable. THOSE are the non classics, I think.

[bobotech]

Interesting.

What about the Eagle Medallion?

[Jesda]

The collector market goes after emotional value.

Outside the drifting scene, the S13 is considered "sporty" and "cute" and "economical" but not "desirable" in the emotional context of a Miata or other RWD coupes/roadsters. Its the quiet smart kid in the back of the class who gets straight As, has a million dollar trust fund, and hauls around a two-foot pen15 -- he may have winning characteristics, but most dont notice enough to care. Styling is far too conventional. There's no heritage, no prestige.

The same for the Q. Its styled elegantly but somewhat anonymously. I'm in love with it, but few others are. The Q and 240 are enthusiast cars with a strong but limited focus, unlikely to be coveted by the market 30 years from now.

Only a tiny handful of Japanese cars can become collectible because the vast majority are the automotive equivalent of coathangers -- faultless, durable, and easily disposed of and replaced when broken. Something from the land of the rising sun has to try a LOT harder to become emotionally desired by Americans.

[bobotech]

What about the g'damned Eagle Medallion???

[Looneybomber]

Would any special edition cars work?

For example, and old '70 Yenko Camaro will sell for TONS! So what about a 99 Cobra R, Hennesey Viper, Calloway vette ect...Or Corvette ZR1! Those still sell in the 40's-50's. More if the milage is low.

[bobotech]

Well the thing about those speical edition cars is that they attained "collector status" pretty much right out of the gate. Its not like when you bought a ZR1 that you expected the value to drop like all other cars did.

However the article talks about cars that will atain collector status in the future (cars that are pretty much just "used cars" for now and their resale values show that).

[Mr1der]

yeah...I really hope the SC's get collector status...

they deserve it. The first car to bring in supercharging and show it could be done on a production car and last....not to mention the sweetass styling that ushered in a whole new era in automotive design.

[nsrZ32]

I actually agree with your list and think its very well put together.

Other cars that I think have a chance are :

Honda CRX - Unique, sporty, hard to find clean, and already 20 years old for the early models and poping up owned by some older people and being "restored" to stock.

Plymouth Prowler - like no other car of its time

Integra Type R - very rare, very desirable, still expensive

Audi Quattro Cars - early 80's ones were loaded with technology, first all time awd cars since the Jensen's in the 60's

Audi TT - Unique coupe/roadster styling from a german manufacturer, definately a hit in the future collectors market

Mini Cooper - the new ones, high resale value, definate collectability, will be seen at car shows for a 100 years

M Series BMW's

83-88 Monte Carlo SS - already collectible, also same generation el camino SS

93-01 Ram Air Trans Am's - Already desirable, way better looking than its Camaro twin, limited availability, WS6 and Hurst options, etc

90-93 Chevy SS 454 Pickup - Impossible to find, big power, very cool truck

Starion/Conquest - Fast, unique 80's sports car, rarity, good handling

Shelby Model Daytona's - actually any of the 80's shelby edition dodge turbo cars

SVO Mustangs - Very unquie and unusual setup for the mustang, not many clean ones out there will cause enthusiasts to pay big for original well cared for examples

Pontiac Fiero GT's

Most of the SVT vehicles from Ford - Might be going out on a limb but they're all limited production high performance models

Most of the SRT Models from Mopar - same as above

91-93 GMC Typhoon and Cyclone Models - Baby muscle trucks with forced induction

93-97 Del Sol - A honda with truly classic lines unlike others. Will undoubtedly hit big in the future

83-86 Isuzu Impulse - turbo, rare, italian styling, affordable to have, will pop up at shows

RX7's - the turbo FC cars and convertibles

Any AMG series Mercedes

Any R series Jaguars

90-92 VW Corrado - Supercharged, european styling, not very common, unique little cars

early 90's Mercury Capri - Little roadster with limited production, turbo option, "american car" though based on the mazda 323 platform. Kind of a step child to the miata

90-92 Oldsmobile Toronado's

92-97 Subaru SVX - Already a cult like classic, very hard to find, less than 12,500 total examples, unique styling, AWD, only downside is only auto transmission

88-93 All-Trac Toyota Celica GT - Limited production, hard to find, unique combo of turbo and awd for toyota in the US market

There are also a lot of the new cars that are coming out today that I can easily see as future collectors cars so my additional list is way shorter than it could be.

Good thread Jesda!

[Jesda]

I think I'll move the Pontiac 6000STE down to "possibly" or "not a classic." Like the Mazda 929, its a remarkable car under a conventional brand with a forgettable model name that causes it to be ignored. Its highly regarded in GM enthusiast circles, but forgotten by everyone else. It doesnt inspire coveting because of its lack of personality.

[Bubba1]

I think I'll move the Pontiac 6000STE down to "possibly" or "not a classic." Like the Mazda 929, its a remarkable car under a conventional brand with a forgettable model name that causes it to be ignored. Its highly regarded in GM enthusiast circles, but forgotten by everyone else. It doesnt inspire coveting because of its lack of personality.

Interesting thread.Minister of Doom, I worked thru the classic calculator for a 240sx, and I came out with 30, Sorry. Being a nice car and being collectible are not the same thing.

[Cold_Zero]

I realize that this is a highly subjective topic. Jesda, the majority of your list bores me. I am shocked that the TT Supra was not on anyone's list. It is already a classic and will continue to be a classic. I thought that one was a no brainer. I think that you underestimate the 240SX. Right now, the car is a cult classic. But in the future, when all of the enthusiasts get older and want to relive their youth, I think that these cars will be in an even higher demand. When I look at a 240SX I dont see performance numbers, I see a good looking car that is a blast to drive. In my book it will be a classic.bud

[Jesda]

If you read what I said, you'll see that I dont underestimate the 240SX. Your uphill battle in collectibility is with the remainder of the non-drifting public. It lives in the shadow of the 300, like the 60s Cougar did under the Mustang. No one cares about or remembers the Cougar, even though it was better looking and nicer overall.

As for Toyota, I generally dont pay attention to them, and I dont think I've missed out on much.

Thirty years from now, when youre looking to relive your youth, and you have a greater income at your disposal, what would you choose: a 240 or a 300? You personally may choose the 240, but most folks will go for the crown and pay the premium for a 300.

Collectors arent just buying what they had as kids, as most were broke and drove around piles of junk. Theyre buying what they couldnt have to live out their youthful fantasies. What you and I like matters less in the future collector market.

[Cold_Zero]

Jesda,There are many reasons why people collect cars:1. Sentimental Value2. Membership into a group or club3. Exclusivity of owning a particular car that sets them apart4. The car is just a part of their collection.5. They just like the car6. It is a life long dream to own a particular car.

People pick cars to collect not on a static set of criteria, but for their own reasons. Sure, you have people that fit a certain genre, Muscle Car Enthusiast, Sport Compact Car Enthusiast, Sport Car Enthusiasts.... Then you have people that collect cars that seem worthless. That is the great thing about being a car enthusiast.

The 240 SX may or man not be a classic down the road. It certain doesnt depend on what I think! But I resent people that dismiss the car whole heartedly because of superficial reasons. I think that the 240 can be a classic car.

The Toyota Supra (Twin turbo) and the Toyota All Trac are two great cars that will be classics. They both are performance oriented and rare.

bud

[TachyonS14]

I agree that the 240sx could become a classic car later on, especially the Kouki. I'm not just saying that because I have one, but with a production fewer than 6k for the 2 years they are already sought after and can get only more rare. And yes people can convert their cars to be Kouki's, but they aren't original.

As for your list, I do agree pretty much with it. Seems liked you've really tried to look at the cars objectively.

[Bubba1]

I realize that this is a highly subjective topic. Jesda, the majority of your list bores me. I am shocked that the TT Supra was not on anyone's list. It is already a classic and will continue to be a classic. I thought that one was a no brainer. I think that you underestimate the 240SX. Right now, the car is a cult classic. But in the future, when all of the enthusiasts get older and want to relive their youth, I think that these cars will be in an even higher demand. When I look at a 240SX I dont see performance numbers, I see a good looking car that is a blast to drive. In my book it will be a classic.bud

Cold Zero. I disagree with most of the cars on his list too. The ones from the I think that will become collectible are the Buick GNC, and perhaps the last gen RX7. Low production does not guarantee collectibility, I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Pontiac 6000. That's about as collectible as a Citation or Cimarron (chuckle)

"Classic" is such a generic term that gets tossed around loosely. Classic and collectible have different meanings. I suspect a lot of folks here have different views as to the meanings, and some interpret them as interchangeable words. IMHO you can have a 'classic" car yet not collectible. For example, a 240sx or SupraTT are both fine, fun cars. Both can considered "classic" representations of RWD japanese sporty coupes of their day, but neither were partiularly revolutionary. Classic? Sure, okay. Collectible? Uh, no way.I wish my old S13 was a collectible, I would have loved to have sold it for more.

Remember all cars kept in good original shape eventually will go up in value. A nice original ordinary Veedub Beetle is worth more now than when they were new. The problem is how long you have to wait until they start to appreciate.

[NIGHTfall_240sx]

Not classics:

Nissan 240SX -- It may be difficult in the future to find an unabused example that hasn't been tarted up, making clean original versions desirable for anyone looking to relive their youth. In stock form or as vehicles to covet and keep garaged, they don't stir emotion.

LIES

[ceniack]

90-93 Chevy SS 454 Pickup - Impossible to find, big power, very cool truck

my roomate has one with less than 70k on the odometer he is looking to sell soon.

[Bubba1]

LIES

The only museum I foresee for a 240sx in 50 years is in Ripley's Believe it or not. The S13 display would have a gigantic plastic aftermarket double decker wing, fart muffler, giant window banner, sleepy eye set up (the one that looks like the retracting headlight motors are broken), genuine imitation non-functional hood scoops, K&N filter, double blade windshield wipers, giant "Nissan" windshield banner, and type R stickers. Picture your grandchild in 2055 asking, "wow grandpa, why on earth did you stick such weird ugly stuff on your car?

Just teasing, guys....

[Jesda]

Cold Zero. I disagree with most of the cars on his list too. The ones from the I think that will become collectible are the Buick GNC, and perhaps the last gen RX7. Low production does not guarantee collectibility, I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Pontiac 6000. That's about as collectible as a Citation or Cimarron (chuckle)

Partly wrong, but partly true. The 6000STE (only the STE, I can scan you the C&D article I have by accident) is considered a special and very different version of an otherwise basic low-quality car. While its fairly noteworthy in GM circles, its ignored otherwise. Being ignored prevents a car from building monetary value. Its something the original owner will covet if he held on to it, but others will pass.

A car doesnt have to be good to appreciate in value. Shoddy AMC Gremlins are actually appreciating in value if well-kept.

[Jesda]

I resent people that dismiss the car whole heartedly because of superficial reasons. I think that the 240 can be a classic car.

Yes, but its not me you have to convince. Its the market that will dismiss a vehicle for superficial reasons while propping up something less worthy for the same reasons.

I suppose anything is collectible if you keep it well and for a long enough period of time. But the public won't always see it my way. A Q will be worth a few grand in 20 years. Current used prices may keep with inflation, but they wont reach astronomical levels seen on the 53 Eldorado or the original Cadillac Sixteen.

In the minds of the public looking back in 30 years, the Q will be the "other" Japanese luxury car stuck under the shadow of the Lexus LS400. Heck, thats how it is right now.

[AZhitman]

As someone whos been around long enough to actually SEE certain cars become collectible, I'll offer my take on a few of these:

1984-87 Turbo Regal/Grand National - Absolutely. Wish I had grabbed one 10 years ago.

Roadmaster, Reatta, Riviera - No way. Too shoddy of build quality, very few remain running, much less in restorable or "collectible" condition.

Impala SS - Definitely. Power is a big consideration in determining a car's future collectibility, and the Impala harks back to the golden age of musclecars.

Eldo? Nope.

Miata? Maybe. High production numbers have forced their resale down, too common. Lack of power impacts the "fun quotient".

300ZXtt, yes. Z33? No.

FC? Already hard to find. Niche market, because rotaries suck.

Cutlass Supreme Convertible? Nope - see my comments above, poor quality car. There's one on my street for sale, under 80K miles, $2500, been for sale for 6 months.

Camaro AE - Yep - But ONLY the AE.

Marauder? Nope. Disappointing power and lack of TRUE differentiation from a Crown Vic / Grand Marquis will hurt it.

Mark VIII? Maybe. Most have been beaten into the ground, I can see a low-mileage one being a nice collectible someday.

NSX? Already holding firm on value. A lock.

SSR? Not a chance. It's gotta excite the public NOW to excite the public in 2060.

GTO? See SSR.

7-series? High production #'s, but yep. I can see this one.

6000STE? Nope. Maybe by the same types of guys that collect Studebakers and Edsels now.

Trofeo / Aurora? Hope the current owner put it in a hyperbaric chamber in its first year of ownership, poor build quality but TONS of kicka$$ gadgets.

500E? Already a lock.

SHO? Already a lock.

SC400? Yep. Low-grade collectible.

MR2? Yep.

92-95 Legend? Absolutely. Find a low mileage 6-speed Type II and you have a future gold mine.

M30 - Weak now, but the nice ones will skyrocket in value.

90 Q? Nope. Poor marketing and lack of hype killed the excitement before it even arrived.

240? Only the ASC-built convertibles. Too many built, too insignificant historically. Sad but true. Modify at will.

929? Nope. Same reasons as the Q. Now the Millenia MIGHT make a small splash someday...

The last paragraph reflects the author's ignorant biases. Hemmings has seen fit to begin publication of a magazine FOR Japanese collector cars, so this guy may well lose his job over such a stupid statement.

He forgets that most "Alglocentric collectors" will all be DEAD in 20 years.

Emotionally empty? Lacking in character? After that list of GM-heavy POS's?

Moron.

Here's some Japanese collectibles for you:

Honda 600? Gold mine.Datsun Roadsters? Collectible.240Z, 260Z, and 300ZX's? Solid.Bluebirds and 510's are already commanding top dollar.Old Skylines and Silvias as well.Toyopets, Coronas, Cressidas - All solid collectibles.The old Mazda (can't recall the name, starts with a C)

More later....

[Jesda]

Thanks Greg, but I was the author. Jerk!

[AZhitman]

Ooops.

An unethical guy would edit his comments. I won't.

Your GM-bias is pretty apparent in there.

Where was the Scirocco, the Integra Type R and the 05 Mustang?

[AZhitman]

p.s. I still love you Jes.

[The Mic]

The last paragraph reflects the author's ignorant biases. Hemmings has seen fit to begin publication of a magazine FOR Japanese collector cars, so this guy may well lose his job over such a stupid statement.

He forgets that most "Alglocentric collectors" will all be DEAD in 20 years.

Emotionally empty? Lacking in character? After that list of GM-heavy POS's?

Moron.

Thanks Greg, but I was the author. Jerk!

!

[Jesda]

The 05 Mustang could wear off as a novelty. The same for the Chrysler 300. Retro designs seem to come out with a bang and then fade. Once upon a time, the Dodge Aries was car of the year.

I tend to ignore Honda, VW, and Toyota. I have no personal interest, so that leaves open my original leading question: "What modern cars will become classics?"As far as a GM bias, its what I happen to be aware of and know. I didnt restrict the 'future classics' to just my personal list -- anything missing from my list means "I dont care, I dont know" and its up to you to add to it! It doesn't say "These are the future classics, period! Do or die!"

Having the largest market share and most brands (even if a bunch of cars are blatant rebadges), it seems mathematically fitting that GM would have the largest share of my list anyway.

The first four Buicks came right out of a Hemmings article.

Thirty years from now, if I'm looking to relive my youth, I'll probably go after something I wish I had but didnt, or something I couldnt justify buying at the time. Problem is, the 80s and 90s are full of dull, crappy, gutless cars.I suppose I'd restore a 2004 M45, Cadillac XLR, or a 1990 Q45.

You mistakenly believe build quality factors heavily in collectibility. Not true! Its one factor, but rarity, performance, and emotionality trump quality and reliability in the collector market. You dont judge a thirty year old car with the same values as a new one. The heart often takes priority over the mind and wallet.

The Cressida will be admired but forgotten as the Avalon's distant grandfather. No brand or model heritage, no special characteristics, and no legacy.

If the Q45 is in the shadow of the mundane LS400, the Legend is further down the ladder, despite its abilities. Its popularity now has to do, in part, with its unworthy replacement, the previous RL.

By the end of the Mazda Millenia's life cycle, it was already cast aside by consumers and the automotive press as the lesser alternative to the TL, GS, I30, and 5-series. Heavily discounted, underpowered, and behind the times -- sounds like a new Buick. As much as I and Millenia owners adore the car, it eventually became a ghost of itself. GM made this mistake by dragging the 1982 A-body out to 1996.

Note that the GTO is in low quantities now. Our dealership is out of stock (when they hell are they going to start my training, anyway?). At first, Pontiac dealers practically paid people to take them. Now they're moving at a fairly brisk rate.
Modified by Jesda at 4:27 PM 5/30/2005

[Rex]

What about the ...

Chevette Diesel 4 door hatchback?Chevrolet Vega Wagon?Pontiac Bonneville SSi?Chevrolet Monza (V8)?Mid 80's Ford Mustang SVO?Pontiac Trans AM GTA?Chevrolet Luv?Ford mini truck before the Ranger?Dakota Convertibles?

(Some sarcasm in there)

[M3Racer]

I like this thread.

M series BMW (Someone said it earlier, I'm just agreeing)

Mitsubish Evos?

STI's?

Lotus Elise

[Jesda]

M series BMW (Someone said it earlier, I'm just agreeing)Mitsubish Evos?STI's?Lotus Elise

Indeed! Rare and hot.