funny honda quote

[redrocket]

hey that is fine with me I just wanted to set my opinion straight with bheld

[TrueSlide]

Who said it here, I saw it posted:

Torque wins races, horsepower sells cars

Ya guys you should quit bashing on hondas, I mean they have more room to put groceries in then our 240s, so they are good for something.

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[APEXi240]

Honda makes a good motor.....for circuit racing with other N/A touring cars. The only thing I like about Hondas is that they put out a lot of horsepower in comparison to the engine size (too bad its at the sake or reducing torque.)

Every ricer: Hondas never breakEveyone else: A car has to make power to break

Hondas are ok....But for 35k you guys would honestly buy an S2k? If I wanted to rev to 9k I'd buy a bike. The S2k is nice....but its still a Honda.

The last year Type-R in Japan was 210hp....bump in compression. The only Honda I'd buy is a CBR600.

[bheld]

dude do you not see the post about the praising the s2000 come on if i could afford it I would have it I didn't call it a taxi car how can it be its a 2 seater plus 240 horses out of a NA engine name somthing else like that but most of the time when people (us) bash on honda we are talking rice in genral why do you think I have a post saying hondas you don't even know your race them I use to have dodge stealth twin turbo and had people all the time I try to race you but that **** is quick and I didn't even remember racing them and guess what they were mostly riced out hondas

:shocked

That's the biggest run-on sentence I've ever seen!

Okay, I didn't say you said any of those things, did you notice how I quoted flip240?

Anyway, from what I can decipher from the rest of your post it seems like when you bash Hondas you really mean ricers. Fine, but people started ripping the S2000, and I was just trying to set the record straight.

[redrocket]

sorry I have a bad problem with that P word

[bheld]

For 35k I'd rather have a 350Z. But still, you can't fade the S2k just because it's a Honda. It has almost perfect weight distribution, it's light, and it's fast. I don't understand why you guys are so anal about torque. With a higher redline you don't need as much torque. Torque isn't the only thing that can win a race.

Basically, if you don't like the S2000 at least give a good reason not to besides just citing the fact that it's a Honda.

[APEXi240]

I like the S2K, but there is just no usable torque. Its dumb to have to wait until 6k to get some balls. I can try and find the SCC issue with the S2Ks, but I'm lazy....They didn't even do a 0-60. They did a 10-60 and a 10-100, because doing it from a dead stop was just too slow. haha.

Other than that its a really nice car. Looks hot, its RWD, revvs out the ***, and make 240hp out of a 2.0 liter engine....thats not too bad at all.

[lateralmotion]

quote: With a higher redline you don't need as much torque.

higher redlines don't help out coming out around corners, but torque sure as hell does

[specialkonrd]

seeby bashing hondaeveryoen winsbecause there are ricers on this boardbut almost everyone hates honda :Pso we all get alongsee? we're all mutually making fun of somethingno arguementsno flamewarsthis is how the internet was meant to be people

honda brings peace

[bheld]

quote: With a higher redline you don't need as much torque.

higher redlines don't help out coming out around corners, but torque sure as hell does

:rolleyez

Ever think of shifting into a gear where you'd be near the top of the powerband?

Once again, torque != power.

[Megaseth]

I'll tell you one car that doesnt need bashing..., the Gremlin. Those things rocked!! Long Live the GREMLIN!!:ylsuper

[Ceptos]

yeah i was gonna say somethng about the over pricing of honda/acura cars...maybe they have some other awesome features that can make them sell a fairly weak car for the same price as the 350, i mean have you guys looked at the nsx...only 3 more hp than the Z and a lot less tourqe, there must be a flux capacitor in there to jack the price up to 89K. or maybe its magical honda suspension, or wait, maybe its that thing on the rear of the car...the name.

[Ceptos]

of course i also just remembered something...think about a ferrari, a modded out civic could take one in the quarter mile, (heh, the ferrari would probably be just pulling out of second gear) but would get its rear handed to it past that, the s2000 is obviously made for top speed with such a high red line and 6 gears. we dont care about top speed as much as we do 0-60 or 1/4 mile because thats where we race poeple. i doubt an s2000 was meant for any drifting either =)

[UncleBen]

i'd much rather have sumthin with torque down low than sumthing that you have to rev to 6k RPM's to get any torque at all. reving wastes gas for one thing, lol. look this is a nissan site, we are supposed to make fun of honduhs. i mean what do you think they do when they get beat by a nissan or sumthin? they go talk about how they missed a gear or the nissan definately was sprayin or sumthin. i've seen it, that hate saying they got beat by one. but you kno why they got beat? cause they have to rev to 8k RPM's to get any torque to get moving. we get it at 2k and just smoke them.

[PabloHoney]

Torque is not what you get when you rev, in fact, most of the time, torque begins to fall off the higher you rev (unless you know how to make an engine well). You get more power by revving high. One way to make a lot of hp is to rev, another is to have lots of torque to begin with. Personally, I don't give two ****s whether the engine revs high with no torque or revs low with lots of torque, just as long as I have a nice flat torque curve, wherever it may be. Wanna know why a 1992 Sentra SE-R will beat a 240? They have a nice flat power band that comes on early, and stays strong....all the way to 7200. They have all of 140hp, and 130 lb-ft. We on the other hand, don't get a whole lot of hp till around 4K, and it falls on it's face a little past 6K. Try getting in a roll-on with one at about 40.....the 240 will lose (I am talking stock here, or very close to stock).

I just hate to see the bashing on Hondas in general. They aren't made for racing (obiously not including the NSX, S2K, ITR, CTR or anything of the likes). But for not racing, I tell ya, the B-series engine is damn flexible and can make gobs of horsepower. Same with the H-series, but even more so. Go ahead and rag on ricers who own Hondas, but not Hondas in general, that's just retarded.

[Mayhem_J30]

torque vs hp and when the show up and when it dissapears all has to do with the style of motor. here's a n/a Z dyno. notice the constant torque.http://www.ttzd.com/rides/dyno....html

[MasterMan]

eh i go for torque... i love the feelin of bein pushed back in the chair

[UncleBen]

i guess i don't care THAT much about where the torque is, and revving high is very very enticing (rx7, *drool*), but my beef w/ honda is the fact the all the ricers own them and you very rarely see a honda that is actually modded w/ stuff that has a purpose.

[Megaseth]

that is soo true. there are a few modded civic hatch backs out here. one actually looks really nice. its silver with a carbon hood. no body kit or euros, looks really nice.

[Atom12]

Torque is not what you get when you rev, in fact, most of the time, torque begins to fall off the higher you rev (unless you know how to make an engine well). You get more power by revving high. One way to make a lot of hp is to rev, another is to have lots of torque to begin with. Personally, I don't give two ****s whether the engine revs high with no torque or revs low with lots of torque, just as long as I have a nice flat torque curve, wherever it may be. Wanna know why a 1992 Sentra SE-R will beat a 240? They have a nice flat power band that comes on early, and stays strong....all the way to 7200. They have all of 140hp, and 130 lb-ft. We on the other hand, don't get a whole lot of hp till around 4K, and it falls on it's face a little past 6K. Try getting in a roll-on with one at about 40.....the 240 will lose (I am talking stock here, or very close to stock).

I just hate to see the bashing on Hondas in general. They aren't made for racing (obiously not including the NSX, S2K, ITR, CTR or anything of the likes). But for not racing, I tell ya, the B-series engine is damn flexible and can make gobs of horsepower. Same with the H-series, but even more so. Go ahead and rag on ricers who own Hondas, but not Hondas in general, that's just retarded.

Finally the voice of reason.

[Megaseth]

exactly, well put.

[turboex]

My honda that i just turned back to stock, made 259hp at 10psi on a 1.6 b16a2 with 8to1 compression. and 179torque. i promise you that it will plant you in the seat. The car ran high 12s all day. and a 7.9 in the 8th. torque dont mean much when the car weighs 2400lbs. I can lie i just loved the price of the nissan 240 and the rwd factor. that was the selling point for me. But honestly a stock civic si 99-2000 with a drag 3 turbo kit. $2400 can make 250hp all day long and never have any problems. there great cars. Ill take one of each. oh wait i have both. ]