Full-race turbo kit

[sil80drifter]

how about some trees?

(oh the hippie speaks within!)

Their products look good tho, gotta give them that.Considering most other kits being offered for 3-3.5 grand who also don't offer internals and promise 200-300whp, only 1.5 Gs more getting you to 600whp is not such a bad deal. In fact if i didn't wanna do everything myself and had the money to build the engine and get the kit, I'd do it in a second.

sil80

[andrave]

We are not new to nissans. We make 600+ whp cars on a regular basis. If you dont realize that an engine needs to be built for that kind of power you shouldnt be working on cars.

We hold the record for the highest WHP stock sr20 in the nation fwiw, quite possibly international. 539 whp, stock motor on full-race products. We also have a number of built sr20s that will be making power soon, too.

We are no joke and our products will have no problem making real power if you can put your car together. If you cant that is out of our hands, but simple math dictates that if you have a compressor wheel that flows 75 lbs/air you will make over 600 whp. Thanks.

I could strap an SR20 to the dyno and make 500 hp on a stock block then.The question is, for a car that would actually be run off the dyno, how long would it take to blow up?And I think we all know the answer to that.Now, with a 600hp ka24de...I'm gonna call BS on that one until I see your dyno charts, since you said you build one every day, you should have plenty of pictures and dyno charts floating around of all of them.

My real question is, 600 hp for how long? and where on the power band? is it just a dyno queen?

And why are people paying you so much money for this kit? what is included?for that much it should include a LOT, since the turbo, the manifold, and the intercooler is the easy part. Its the fuel system, the management, and the tuning that is what makes a kit work, or not.So do you (like JWT) offer dyno time with the kit?do you (like greddy) offer a tuneable pretuned system?or do you (like other manufacturers whose kits cost a lot less and could easily be upgraded to a larger turbine to "support 600 hp" just give the basics?and if its the last one, just what makes your kit better than any of the others?

[aleph1]

He never said he built 600hp KA24 on a "regular basis". He just said that they build 600hp CARS on a regular basis (mostly honda I suppose), they have plenty of dynos on their site, as well as some videos of an SR powered (with their setup) 240 on a dyno or something....

[TrunkMonkey]

I could strap an SR20 to the dyno and make 500 hp on a stock block then.The question is, for a car that would actually be run off the dyno, how long would it take to blow up?And I think we all know the answer to that.

the 539rwhp stock block sr20det belongs to FA member enthalpy. the record was set using race gas. is it a daily driver? not at that level. the goal was to see how much they could push on a stock bottom end. as of right now, they hold the record in the states (and as stated, maybe internationally). phase2motortrend is second with 526rwhp.

can you make that kind of power on a stock block engine...

until you show proof, no.

Now, with a 600hp ka24de...I'm gonna call BS on that one until I see your dyno charts, since you said you build one every day, you should have plenty of pictures and dyno charts floating around of all of them.

he never said they built a 600hp ka24de. please read...

We are not new to nissans. We make 600+ whp cars on a regular basis.

My real question is, 600 hp for how long? and where on the power band? is it just a dyno queen?

if you're asking if it's streetable...a 400whp KA isn't considered streetable. sit behind the wheel of one and hit the gas the wrong way.

And why are people paying you so much money for this kit?

you get what you pay for.

what is included?for that much it should include a LOT, since the turbo, the manifold, and the intercooler is the easy part.

as stated earlier, it comes with everything except for the fuel system.

Its the fuel system, the management, and the tuning that is what makes a kit work, or not.

yes it is. and that is exactly why almost every kit on the market comes with either no fuel management or the bare minimum to run whatever psi the kit is set for. this is what makes or breaks an engine. this is where the liability is. why give someone who has no clue how to tune a high hp engine the chance to do so? just like the engine internals, name one company that sells a turbo kit with enough fuel management to run the kit to it's full potential.

So do you (like JWT) offer dyno time with the kit?

speaking of jwt, why do you think their programs are so rich. to avoid liabilty issues.

do you (like greddy) offer a tuneable pretuned system?

speaking of greddy, with a tuneable pretuned system that's password protected so that you have to know what your doing in order to push the kit even further. if you blow up your engine using greddy emanage, aren't you on your own? their avoiding liability.

or do you (like other manufacturers whose kits cost a lot less and could easily be upgraded to a larger turbine to "support 600 hp" just give the basics?

bottom line, they can put whatever they want in the kit, and charge whatever they want. $4500 for hardware to support 600+ whp is not a bad price.

the proper wetware (may name for fuel management) is and always will be the responsibilty of the buyer. an upgraded fuel system and engine internals will always be optional.

and if its the last one, just what makes your kit better than any of the others?

is their kit better? that's a matter of opinion.

-demetrius

[aleph1]

Considering the internals of the SR20 and KA24DE (not counting head) are very similar, I dont see why 539 on a stock block KA shouldnt be possible...

[andrave]

thank you demcj, you answered all my questions. I'd never pay that much for a simple basic turbo kit, especially from a company with such a chip on their shoulder.

[TrunkMonkey]

thank you demcj, you answered all my questions. I'd never pay that much for a simple basic turbo kit, especially from a company with such a chip on their shoulder.

umm, the greddy kit is a simple basic bolt on kit. full-race builds kits for high horsepower applications. i don't see them as having a chip on their shoulder, i see them as having nothing to prove.

if full-race geoff doesn't return, it's probably because he's about as irritated by this thread as i am. all this started because people just couldn't read what was right in front of them. the bad part about it is, it's not just in this thread. people really need to pay attention to what they're reading before they post.

you guys have no idea how much knowledge we just let go.

-demetrius

[illspace]

you guys have no idea how much knowledge we just let go.

-demetrius

WRD

on a side note, my goal is 400whp on pump gas... how unstreetable is it?

[WDRacing]

Yep, as usual demcj is correct. Just cause the company charges more then your willing to pay doesn't mean they aren't a good company. It just means they cater to a different croud. 4500 for a good turbo kit with quality products isn't all that much, for a person who doesn't like to build they're own stuff. Look at how much most Supra guys pay for turbo kits.

If Geoff is agrivated, well, I'm sorry for that. But in bussiness you have to expect a little BS. You need thick skin in the performance world.

WD

[andrave]

I think you just need to be prepared to back up your claims.

[iNfamous240]

There's some dyno charts and video clips on their site if you want some proof.

[andrave]

I don't think any of those are for the ka24de???i couldn't find it on there anyway

[aleph1]

they are SR20.

[TrunkMonkey]

please read from the original post...

I was talking to one of the representatives from www.full-race.com and they can make a custom turbo kit ( intercooler is included) for about $4500.

the key word here is custom.

they don't have an off the shelf kit for the ka24de (yet), but the can and will build one for you. and yes, it can support 600+ whp. how do i know? because building turbo kits to pull big numbers is what full-race does. they always have and they always will.

-demetrius

[95_240sx]

I can personally say that I have SEEN Full-Race manifolds and seem them perform first hand. If you look at the videos on their website and see some of the Ground Zero Motorsports cars, thats what they run and they have the fastest street/strip cars around here where I live. They make absolutely beautiful manifolds that are capable of making over 700hp on a Honda w/ no nitrous.

Just my 2c, yall need to stop being such critics.

Rick

[cnichols]

This thread is retarded....

For all you fools who are questioning full-race, I pity you. I think you're just posting to increase your damn post count and sound like you know something. Instead, you've succeeded in making yourselves look like morons.

Good job! :thumbup

[hayato kazami]

$4500 for 600whp, it just sounds too good! it maybe able to make up to 600whp, but do you really believe that kit will last?

I really don't think so after see those picture of the manifold! full race manifold for $1300 only?

I believe serious power need serious money! i will suggest you to find a right turbo for your KA and the power you need, then ask Rev-hard to make to a serious manifold, which is nicely finished.

nothing good is cheap!

[95_240sx]

$4500 for 600whp, it just sounds too good! it maybe able to make up to 600whp, but do you really believe that kit will last?

I really don't think so after see those picture of the manifold! full race manifold for $1300 only?

I believe serious power need serious money! i will suggest you to find a right turbo for your KA and the power you need, then ask Rev-hard to make to a serious manifold, which is nicely finished.

nothing good is cheap!

I *KNOW* that you arent comparing Full-Race to the crappy CAST KA Manifold, thats like saying Kia > Nissan. I mean, you guys (most of you anyways) have done nothing more than make full-race probably steer away from the KA crowd because of the negative interpretation you all have shown.

Rick

[aleph1]

HAHAHA RH= totally shyttie.

[fiznat]

hahaha yeaaahhh I'm SURE if I call those guys up just begging to spend over a grand on a manifold they're gonna turn me away because one of the owners/workers got in a tiff on an online message board. pffffffffffffffffffffft.

they make what looks to be quality stuff, but yes it costs alot. case closed. I know WD is goin away, but christ can SOMEBODY close this friggin thread??

[D-UNIT]

People are gonna have to start making stuff for the stock motor. 240's are becoming way to popular for them not too.

[TrunkMonkey]

I know WD is goin away, but christ can SOMEBODY close this friggin thread??

no problem.

-demetrius