Fresh Ka-t turbo smoking(I dont think it is my seals)

[Afliction523]

Yup..."fresh rebuild" Dammitboy let me know what we are going to do about this!

[Bwana]

There should be NO RTV inside a turbo. You just got ripped off royally.

If there's anything we can help with, let us know.

[Dammitboy]

Hold on a second, NO one was ripped of by any stretch here. Steve, has our communications not been good? I have never ripped off anyone, & don't plan to. When this turbo was rebuilt, The thrust plate for this particular HAS an OEM sealant. This was confirmed by GPop shop where the kit was purchased from to USE high temp sealant.

That thrust plate contains the 360 degree bearing; there is a oil passage that supplies the bearing- It has to be sealed, & was done correctly. That plate was NOT broken when you got it, I would have never sold it if it was.

Do you remember what Gpop said? It looks like you fixed your drain issue, but do you know what your oil pressure runs at? Did you ever change to a 3AN line? I can understand your frustration but all bases have to be covered & researched when you use a turbo that was designed for a different application.

Kevin

[WDRacing]

I've never seen RTV used...

Obviously there are problems with the turbo itself. He's redone the drain twice, installed a restrictor and used compressed air to blow out the oil passages. AMS said the oil drain is a good one, thats enough for me.

He hasn't put any mileage on this, so however it is now is how it arrived. The only thing that will ruin a turbo that quick is a lack of oil, not to much.

WD

[Dammitboy]

I've never seen RTV used...WD

Just because you've never seen it used does'nt mean it's wrong. Remember this is a Borg Warner/IHI RHB6, not a garrett. Like I say, there is an OEM high temp sealant present when it was torn down; It HAS to be sealed on being rebuilt.

I still think it's getting too much oil, or it has a bad rear seal.

Kevin

[WDRacing]

Just because you've never seen it used does'nt mean it's wrong. Remember this is a Borg Warner/IHI RHB6, not a garrett. Like I say, there is an OEM high temp sealant present when it was torn down; It HAS to be sealed on being rebuilt.

I still think it's getting too much oil, or it has a bad rear seal.

Kevin

If it was just rebuilt I can't see why the rear seal would be bad. It's leaking at idle, how can it be oil pressure? I could see it backing up under full throttle, but idle?

[Afliction523]

It is cracked. The pics do show it. Please feel feee to tell me how i could have done this....its not like Im superman or anything. There was def. a rebuild done. Kevin is correct with this. The turbo looked great when I recieved it. The internals looked brand new, as they should. The problem is that the sealent has cloged the center up(I think), which made it leak past the seals. If a lesser amount of sealent was used, this issue could have never happend. I have used a 3an line. Got another oil pan welded with new fittings (NOT CHEAP) AMS IS NOT CHEAP PERIOD. I have spent countless hours trouble shooting something that I should have not had to deal with in the first place. I just want a new uncracked cover, and i will attemt to rebuild it myself. What i need is A. a new center housing(that would be preffered) B. Another 100% functional IHI Turbo same as this one(I dont really want to got trought the same issue again)

I have spent to much fab time getting this to work.I have the turbo outlet welded to a 2.75in pipe going into my sr20 downpipe. COST ME TIME AND MONEYI have had the o2 bung welded.The car is set up for this turbo, and it is a shame that it refuses to drain properly, even with the retrun draining into a bucket. It would build up at the top. When I removed ithe turbo last night i could not even blow trough the center housing with the turbo removed. My oil is fresh, and I made SURE to oil the turbo prior to starting it. I took every percaution needed. I think that the turbo itself has something cloging up the center housing. I can send it back to you Kevin and you can see my issue. Maybe even try to find a new "seal plate" that is not cracked. From what I have read on the forums, and what I have been told by AMS, I should be able to blow trought the middle with no restriction. This turbo has restriction. Honestly I just want to get teh car running. I have put every bit of money I can into it. I have a huge student loan trailing me, car payment, rent.......alot of bills for a 19yr old. I live on my own and work full time while going to school. I have no help from parents so I am not some spoiled kid who lives off his parents. I am bulding this car for me, so I can show something for what I have accomplished myself. The real issue is that the turbo does not function right, and I just want this to be resolved some way, shape of form. Monday I will have another $500 to invest. I was hoping new shocks, but that looks like it is down the drain now. If anyone can help with fixing this turbo, let me know.Thanks Guys

[Afliction523]

Here are some pics where I have pointed some things out

[Afliction523]

[Afliction523]

Kevin has assisted me with this, and he is paying me for another rebuid kit with the plate that broke. I will let you guys know how it goes when i put the turbo back together.

[Afliction523]

The kit will be here this week. I cleaned up the turbo, and the turbine side had alot of carbon build up in it. The carbon build up cloged the drain on the turbine side completely. I had to use brake cleaner and a pic tool to get it out. It was like it did not exist. Now I am really excited to get the ka-t running, and will BE SURE to post a vid of it running, and not to mention a few hot laps down the street. Thanks for all the help guys. Thanks Kevin as well for helping me out with this. Expect a vid later this week, as long as everyting goes well, and the turbo is still in ballance.

[Afliction523]

PEOBLEMS STARTING NOW HERE IS THE LIST

FIRST ISSUEWAS THE DRAINAGE (NOT MY FAULT)SHOULD HAVE BEEN FINE WHEN I BOUGHT IT. I FIXED THE ISSUE SINCE THERE WAS A ASSLOAD OF CARBON BUILD UP ON THE TURBINE SIDE WHICH BLOCKED THE DRAIN>>>>./.....IT WAS SO BAD FROM WHATEVER THIS WAS ON BEFORE I BOUGHT IT

SECOND I WAS STUPID AND TOOK IT APART TO FIX THE DRAINAGE

THIRDTHE BROKEN SEAL PLATE THAT I REPLACED FROM NEW REBUILD KIT SUCK A$$ THIS KIT IS GARBAGE

FOURTH I DECIDE TO USE THE ORIGINAL STUFF THAT WORKED MINUS THE SEAL PLATE AND NOT MUCH BETTER>>>>YES I FOLLOWD THE DAMN DIRECTIONS ON IT EVEN HAD PICTURES THAT I FIVE YEAR OLD COULD FOLLOW!

FIFTHBIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY EVER, MAYBE I CAN GET A CORE DISCOUNT ON THE NEW ONE HAHA PROB NOT

SO NOW THE TURBO DRAINS FINE...cool no more smoke haha>>>>>..............IT IS OUT OF BALANCE most likely....AND IS A FUC*ING HUNK OF CR@P IF ANYONE WANTS TO BUY IT FROM ME AND TAKE A SHOT AT FIXING IT.....ITS UP FOR GRABS I AM SICK OF THIS DAMN THING I WILL JUST GO AND BUY A BRAND NEW ONE THAT WORKS OUT OF THE DAMN BOX I HATE THIS TURBO AND HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME, MONEY, AND TO MUCH FU#kING FRUSTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT NICO

PS AT LEAST MY CAR CAN NOW DOUBLE UP AS A STORAGE SHED SINCE IT DOESNT MOVE

[wild_maxx]

hate to say it man... but you should have bought a new turbo in the first place. Good Luck with the next one! and stick with it.

[WDRacing]

If it works with no leakage just use it for now. I've seen unbalanced turbo's work for years. If it was balanced before, you'll be better off then not having it balanced at all.

If you need an inexpensive T3/TO4 just go Here, Team Blindside has been using rebuilt Garret cores for a long time. If anything ever goes wrong down the road, a genuine Garret rebuild kit is $100 and can be rebuilt in about 30mins if you're not a total idiot.

Stick with it, you've come to far now to turn back. It will all be worth it when you feel some reliable boost.

If you need anything email me, [email protected] or get me on AIM, WDRacin.

WD

[Afliction523]

The funny thing WD, is that is what I was going to buy originally. I was just iffy on the housing which they told me was a china housing. I am getting a new center fully warrentied and all which will fix my headache. I talked to G-Pop shop and they said that passage on the exhaust side is not uncommon to be clogged. He reccomended I pic at it and try to clean it all out which I did. Ill feel better with a warrenty, and new center section. I can even get a brand new IHI RHC6 made for a isuzu right now never even used (0miles on it brand new) at a deceny price. Ill just swap the centers out and would be good to go. In the end, yes this problem could have been corrected from the beginning, but like I said it is a common thing to over look. It would cost to much to redo my whole setup...ecu tuning, down pip fab...ect all over again for a new turbo. Ill sick with what I have. Kevin has been very helpful, and at this point I dont count him responsible. There is a new IHI in illinois I might pick it up as a extra, or sell it to a buddy if I dont need it later down the road.... BUT I WILL BE KA-t WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AND THERE WILL BE NO SMOKE

Im determined to getrdone

[Afliction523]

WARRENTY IS ALWAYS GOOD.....NEVER AGAIN buy used I retract me saying "I HATE THIS TURBO" I actually love the feel of it. I just had a few issues as I went, and after sleeping most of today(off of work tuesday-wednesday) I feel much better now haha, 4am and no working turbo i just went on a rampage last night. Forums are a good place to vent frustration.

[Afliction523]

Alright guys, I am excited again. I bought a NEW RHC6 IHI TURBO TONIGHT. SAME MODEL AS THE GM-5 RHC6 IHI, but with small differences. I found a guy selling one about a hour from me. I have to swap the exhaust housing, but it does fit(perfectly I might add). The reason is is that this model was made for a marine application, and has a watercooled exhaust housing. It is very close in spec to the borgwarner model. The best part is the return works, and it is brand new. It has just been sitting on the shelf for a while. I cleaned it up, and cant wait for tomorrow when I can bolt it on. This thing has no miles on it at all and is spotless. I feel like a kid who just left the candy store, but spent 350 bucks. I stil feel good about this decision at least. Tomorrow comes vid with the first start up. This time no smoke I have to polish the front of the turbo, I dont want to swap out the fronts since this one still has the original factory sealent on it, and why mess with a good thing. Here are the pics.

NEW TURBOSPOTLESS INSIDE...NOT CORROSION, CARBON....JUST DUSTY



OLD TURBO WITH THE NEW IHI WATER BLANKET INSTALLED, ITS A LITTLE RUSTY FROM SITTING IN THE GRAGE ON THE SHELF FOR A FEW YEARS

[Afliction523]

NO MORE SMOKE Here is my first start, yes there is a little smoke, but I had a cigarette in my mouth. Other than that it was burn off. I got the NEW turbo on and all is good. The only bad is I think I am missfireing slightly, not sure. I contacted the guy who did my ecu, the car wants to die when I rev it under NO LOAD. When I am driving and shift it is fine, as well as downshift. Only when I rev the motor in neautral, or go into neautral while driving the car it wants do die. Im going to start with my timing, and check to make sure it is correct. NA is 20BTDC correct. I was told to check that, and then retard it about 3 degress since I am turboed. This from a guy I know who is a DSM guy, and goes to UTI I beleive. Any Input guys. On a lighter not enjoy the video.

[NateDogg]

Congrats on a great accomplishment! It's the successes and failures that really define the character of people.

About the stalling, is your BOV vented? Maybe it is surging through the intake and the MAF is metering the air twice.

[Afliction523]

Thanks, yes it is vented. At no load the bov should not even go off should it? I dont create any boost unless im in gear and moving. If im moving and i neautal there is no boost. That being said, I dont see why I would have a issue. My last resort is relocating the maf, but Im afraid that would throw off my tune.

[16-bit]

Thanks, yes it is vented. At no load the bov should not even go off should it? I dont create any boost unless im in gear and moving. If im moving and i neautal there is no boost. That being said, I dont see why I would have a issue. My last resort is relocating the maf, but Im afraid that would throw off my tune.

if you put your MAF in a blow through setup, after the BOV, you will probably have some success... I have always been weary of doing a blow through, but from everything i've read it is only a preference thing.

[Afliction523]

That was what i was thinking. Could this also be since my maf is so close to the turbo? I am not driving it untill I can sort this out. It backfires a bit on decel when i downshift, sometimes a pretty bad pop. I am currently waiting on another set of chips to try a differnt injector setting. Maybe this will help.