First Rumsfield, now Powell

[gabossie]

Yes, it is general practice. Greenspan has been talking about resignation though, and that would be a very difficult seat to fill.

CybeRise, you're so incredibly close minded and ignorent, it's painfull. Get over yourself and respect that other people have their own opinions that should be respected just as yours should be.

[Jesda]

I swear, it could rain on a sunny day and people would freak out and say Bush did it, or say its an admission or sign of failure.

Idealogues + Desperation = Insanity

[JESTER]

I love our non-political forums here.

One statement made me realize what the problem is with politics now days. There is no middle of the road, like General Powell.

They use to be around, I remember them. They were called moderates. Everybody is so hard core right, or left. Nobody in the middle where our problems are. To many people blaming Bush for this and that, and too many blaming Bill Clinton for this or that. It really is sad.

We need to stop bickering, and the country needs to make a move from the different directions, and come together in the middle.

General Powel, you have my vote in 2008, or when ever you decide to run.

[creophus]

General Powel, you have my vote in 2008, or when ever you decide to run.

I heard somewhere a few years back that he wouldn't run because he doesn't want to subject his wife to public scrutiny. She had a mental health problem long ago. Again...all of this is stuff that I "heard".

[CybeRise]

Yes, it is general practice. Greenspan has been talking about resignation though, and that would be a very difficult seat to fill.

CybeRise, you're so incredibly close minded and ignorent, it's painfull. Get over yourself and respect that other people have their own opinions that should be respected just as yours should be.

Actually your the ignorant one. I unlike you have been on the other side. I was a liberal most of my life up untill I started making a lot of money and watching a lot of it be taxed so that low life losers can live off my dime on welfare and stuff like section 8(the goverment pays your rent). So untill you become a conservative and then a liberal then ill think you have a open mind. Unless you opened your mind so much that it fell out

Oh and I do repect other people opinion, im just poiting out how wrong it is. It's called debate.

[gabossie]

Your ignorance has nothing to do with your political beliefs or orientation, it's about the way you react to the fact that other people have differing beliefs. I am generally moraly liberal and fiscally conservative, not everything is black and white, liberal and conservative. All you manage to do is perpetuate a stereotype that has, and continues to divide the population of this country so vehemently.

[gabossie]

It's called debate.

Name calling and childish bickering have no place in debate.

[Radian]

David Gergen has become political and has said some anti bush statements in the past. So whatever he says means little to me. Plus he teaches at harvard, hardcore lefties there JK but yes he is a anti bush so it matters not what he has to say. Anyone that touches clinton turns to salt :p

CyberRise, you have the same problem that Bush does. You refuse to listen to any opinion that is different from your own. If it comes from the mouth of a percieved liberal then it is automatically wrong regardless of the facts that it is based on. That is why Rice is taking Powell's position. She is one of the inner circle and has never disagreed with Bush. It is a very dangerous thing for a man in power to surround himself only with people that agree with him.

Oh and since we are 'debating' i will do it in terms that you understand. CyberRise, you are an A-hole.

[Jesda]

Youre ignorant.

-NO YOU ARE!

NO YOU ARE!

-I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!

SHUT UP YOURE FAT!

-NO YOU ARE!

YOURE SO IGNORANT

-NUH UH YOUR MOM IS!

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

-MAKE ME!

...and the beat goes on.

[gabossie]

I love you Jesda

[hannibal]

One statement made me realize what the problem is with politics now days. There is no middle of the road, like General Powell.

They use to be around, I remember them. They were called moderates. Everybody is so hard core right, or left. Nobody in the middle where our problems are.

I think part of the problem with that is we tend to label people.Its no longer acceptable to listen to the issues and form a personal conclusion, IF that puts you in the middle of the road. I think we feel more comfortable at the extremes where we have some fanatics to back us up.

I had a friend (a STRONG conservative) tell me that my opinions would change as I got older and built more wealth. I totally disagree with that train of thought. What's best for my country shouldn't be influenced by my selfish thoughts. The best thing for me may by the worst thing for someone else. I'm not comfortable with that idea. Maybe cause I realize what hurts someone else will eventually hurt me. (Another selfish idea!) Compromise and constructive debate is the key...

[StrangeLove]

There was a middle of the road, right after 9/11.

Everyone supported Mr. Bush (me included),and the country was united. Then, when we into afgan., and everyone continued to support him. After all, we knew who did it, and we went after them. Then the troubles began...

Bush decided that Saddam was a threat. He had stockpiles of WMDs as far as the eye could see. To quote Bush "[...]50 tons of sarin nerve gas on a turkey farm[...]" (my favorite quote from him). America was in danger from this madman. The country began to divide...

Then, it turns out Iraq had no WMDs, and the country split right down the middle. The "uniter" (as he claimed) became a divider.

[JESTER]

I will give you that. Bush should have listend to Powell, when he said to wait until 2005 to invade Iraq. I still, 100% belive that Saddam needed to be removed from power.

It would have been smarter to finish with Afganistan, and find Osama before moving on to Iraq. Should we be in Iraq, I say yes. Saddam needed to go. Was the reason given to us the right reasons, I will not debate that question. The timing was off.

IWannaS15, We do tend to label people. But right now with the current situation we are pushing the moderates to the far sides with the rest of us nuts.

I consider myself a moderate conservative, mostly. Normally I can see all situations from everybodys view points. One of the things I pride myself on. Politics can cloud that ability.

Anyway, enough politics for me. We need to get out of this politics mode. This is NICO and it is suppose to be fun.

[CybeRise]

Tommy Franks himself said there was nothing that could have been done differently to assure that they would have captured Bin Laden. Our armed forces are powerful enough to run several wars at one time despite clintons weaking of our forces.

gabossie , What are you whinning about name calling for? You called me ignorant first.

And to whoever said he divided our country. Actually its not devided 51% of the country is right of center. Thats the biggest percentage of the vote any president has ever had. Whats he supposed to do to apease those of you on the left? Nothing, no matter what he does you on the left will still hate him, Even after the education bill he let Ted Freaking Kennedy write.

[StrangeLove]

Ok, I think its time to stop blaming everything on clinton, bush has had plenty of time to correct clinton's "mistakes"

With only 2 canidates running (the third parties basically had no impact) I would expect the winner to have over 50%. Hell, Kerry had 49% which is above what the winner usually gets. To account for voter fraud, such as the 93,000 extra votes in ohio, Its safe to assume that the country is split right down the middle 50/50.

To quote someone here on nico (i forgot who said it though)

"[...] I believe it would be a mistake to interpret the win as anything other than a little over half the people support him. But some would have you think that because he won, the entire country is behind him 100%."

[Jesda]

Yay. Fraud conspiracies.

http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/111004.htm

[hannibal]

I refuse to read anything that quotes Fox News.Almost as informative as quoting my goldfish...