Ferrari 599 GTO

[MinisterofDOOM]

Any how, I understand it is a great car and it is a V12 instead of a V6 twin turbo, but does a V12 really cost 200K to make? What makes this car in another class? There are some other cars out there with V12's that are in the class of the GTR around ~80-100K. I just found it funny that a whale like the GTR is just as fast as "Ferrari". I'm just not an exotic car person i guess...

The better question would be: what DOES NOT put this car in another class.
Development and production of even the base model 599 are nothing like what you see on the GTR. Cylinder count is one of the LEAST important differences between the two cars. Ferrari makes V8 powered models that'll eat the GTR alive, too. There's more than an engine to a car, and there's more to performance than 0-60.

Anyway, the GTR is NOT as "fast" as the Ferrari. The Ferrari does 208. GTR doesn't.
As for QUICK, the GTR keeps up until 60, after which it gets dusted.

Also, for the GTO model, only 599 will be built.

Sure, you can make "any car" fast for x dollars. But did you even read my OP? This is a race-developed race car for the street. YEARS of Ferrari-funded analysis of the FXX test cars led to this car's current state. This isn't some production sports car that got crapped out by the production line. It's one of the most advanced cars on earth, and by advanced I don't mean nannytech. More money probably went into developing the front bumper for the 599 GTO than the whole GTR design.
If you think you can singlehandedly do a better job of designing a car than Ferrari engineers with millions of dollars of equipment, feel free. There's a lot more than just $400k worth of "mods" separating the 599GTO and GTR in performance.

[Otto.]

How do you manage to word things so perfectly MOD? You should write a book. :P

[Space Monkey]

This is a race-developed race car for the street. YEARS of Ferrari-funded analysis of the FXX test cars led to this car's current state.

I hear ya. That just means that this car took the LEAST amount of development as all the research was completed and they just added to it...

It's one of the most advanced cars on earth, and by advanced I don't mean nannytech.

There is MORE nannytech in this car then there is in the GTR. They made the hardware (suspension bars, shocks, brakes, linkage, tires) completely controlled by computers. They even have a temp reading for each tire.

More money probably went into developing the front bumper for the 599 GTO than the whole GTR design.

The GTR was not a ground up design either, it has some aspects of many different lines of Nissan's, although since the front bumper on this thing its almost the same of the one that the car is copying, I beg to differ on that comment.

Yes the Ferrari can go about 15Mph faster.

If you think you can singlehandedly do a better job of designing a car than Ferrari engineers with millions of dollars of equipment, feel free. There's a lot more than just $400k worth of "mods" separating the 599GTO and GTR in performance.

I could make my 240sx go faster singlehandedly with 400K, although speed in a straight line is easier than on a autocross lap course.

They have great innovation and excellent components that work and don't brake. They are the best car company on the earth, but i think they are a little pompous thinking noone will EVER make a car that can out perform this GTO.

I don't wish to fight with you MOD. I kindly disagree.

[Taylor008]

MoD, you didn't happen to go to the Ferrari challenge at MMP, did you?

Unfortunately I missed out, had to work. But here are a few photos my friends took.

Nico isn't letting me post pics above 640x640. So you'll have to click the links. Sorry.

Jason's pics:
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m118 ... n/1454.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m118 ... n/1453.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m118 ... n/1451.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m118 ... n/1450.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m118 ... n/1446.jpg

Feldmans:
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http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs491.snc ... 6059_n.jpg
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http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs511.snc ... 8755_n.jpg
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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 7570_n.jpg

I know this isn't a 599GTO, but there are a few 599XX's and FXX's.

[Watermelonwarrior]

With that comment you must be a Mac owner... :roll:

Sounds like something a broke person would say. No, I don't own a Mac but I did own a 350z at 16 and so far iv owned 2 M3 at 18. What are you 23 with a 1990 240?

Your logic doesn't make any sense. Your comparing a Ferrari thats worth 500k with a small production qty to a NISSAN worth 80k. These cars are NOT in the same league and they don't attract the same buyer. This car could cost 750k and most of the same people would still buy it. And besides to the person that has half a million to spend on a car the nissan isn't even an option. That car might be 80k but the cost of maintenance is the same as a car twice or three times the price.

[gwoods]

Its nice, very very nice. I don't like the hood changes do like the rear changes. IF I were spending that on a car though I would buy a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti. Very similar car but seats 4.





My next car will either be a M56 or Maserati Quattroporte

[MinisterofDOOM]

I don't like the frogeyed front of the 612, or the concave door detail. The 456 was much sexier.

I love the Quattroporte, though. And the Granturismo.

[gwoods]

I think the quattroporte is the most under rated car in the world! Ferrari V8 and transmission in a sexy 4 door!

They also depreciate fast! Autotrader has 30 of them within 500 miles of me for an average of $43k. Sounds like a lot but if your cross shopping a Infiniti M56 its a bargin!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Hell, for what you get, The QP is even cheap new. $130k for the top-end model. Considering that you'll pay the same for an S-class or a 7 series, I'd say that's a bargain.

[numbnuts240]

the owner of the company's husband has a quattroporte. i only see it a few times a year. wonder if he still has it. haven't even seen the viper in some time.

[gwoods]

the owner of the company's husband has a quattroporte. i only see it a few times a year. wonder if he still has it. haven't even seen the viper in some time.

That is the other beauty of purchasing a used Quattroporte, most of them are 3rd or 4th cars for rich folks so they have very low miles. There are many 2005-2006 available now with 10,000 - 20,000 miles on them.

The car has 2 downsides, maintenance is expensive and it get 11 mpg

[hannibal]

The 288GTO is my favorite GTO. Maybe cause I havent outgrown my love for the 308/328. The 250GTO is not an attractive car IMO.

This 599GTO is absolutely stunning though...

[gwoods]

308 you say, Magnum PI?

[hannibal]

Heck yeah! I love those cars. And the 355. The new 458 also gives me a stiffy...

[Space Monkey]

Your logic doesn't make any sense.

Sounds like something a broke person would say. No, I don't own a Mac but I did own a 350z at 16 and so far iv owned 2 M3 at 18. What are you 23 with a 1990 240?

yeah I am 23 and i do own a 90's S13 that is a shell that i am rebuilding. Am i poor? no. Am i rich? not even close. What does any of that have to do with me liking Ferrari? Just because i don't have the money to get one i wont want one? That's your logic? Have you ever met a person with dreams? >80% of the human population dream of living the rich life and owning exotic cars. Go take your pompous a** somewhere else.

Your comparing a Ferrari that's worth 500k with a small production qty to a NISSAN worth 80k. These cars are NOT in the same league and they don't attract the same buyer.

I was comparing the price to performance ratio. In the price range they are in completely different leagues, but performance wise they did not look so far off. The GTR comes close at some points for being a boat in comparison.

And besides to the person that has half a million to spend on a car the Nissan isn't even an option.

They are a lot of business men and women out there that have the cash for a Ferrari that own regular luxury / sport vehicles due to the cost savings. That's why they are successful business people.

That car might be 80k but the cost of maintenance is the same as a car twice or three times the price.

Way to look at it from one point of view. You could have and should have for your own arguments sake, turned it around and stated the 500K vehicle maintenance is still as cheap as a vehicle 1/5 its price.

[240SXcoupeRB25]

Pretty sick a** car.

[gwoods]

yeah I am 23 and i do own a 90's S13 that is a shell that i am rebuilding. Am i poor? no. Am i rich? not even close. What does any of that have to do with me liking Ferrari? Just because i don't have the money to get one i wont want one? That's your logic? Have you ever met a person with dreams? >80% of the human population dream of living the rich life and owning exotic cars. Go take your pompous a** somewhere else.
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Sounds like poor people talk

[Space Monkey]

Sounds like poor people talk

^Sounds very uneducated.

What do you consider poor? I make $24 an hour. I would consider myself far from poor.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

The 250GTO is not an attractive car IMO.

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You must have severe myopia to think that. It is THE most attractive car ever made.

[Watermelonwarrior]

Way to look at it from one point of view. You could have and should have for your own arguments sake, turned it around and stated the 500K vehicle maintenance is still as cheap as a vehicle 1/5 its price.

Why? Who gives a f*** about cost maintenance when you pay 500k for a car? Seriously think the guy who spends that much on a garage queen is going to wonder who much oil and brake changes are going to cost?

I do think that a lot of people who buy the GTR thinking they are getting the best bang for buck and people who might stretch to get the car might not expect the high cost of maintenance. I wouldn't expect to buy a 72k car and spend almost 10k on maintenance in the first 20k miles

[Space Monkey]

Why? Who gives a f*** about cost maintenance when you pay 500k for a car? Seriously think the guy who spends that much on a garage queen is going to wonder who much oil and brake changes are going to cost?

I understand your point, even if it is speculation and stereotypical, a lot of people with this much money don't care about where the pennies go.