Father takes child to work, causes scandal despite no harm done.

[bmike818]

Poor judgement always gets rewarded!

...and yes the traffic controller should be fired. No place for kids in Air Traffic control rooms. What we should let him off since nothing happened? Flip that, what if something did happen, it could all have been be avoided by...

[AZhitman]

I give up.

How can you give up when you weren't in the discussion?

Feel free to debate the points I've made, with logic and fact... I'm a reasonable and open-minded person.

[PoorManQ45]

I see he broke the rules.

There is no use debating that topic.

Maybe if you want to debate the reason for the rules we can continue, but I see no further information coming from this thread.

[krash]

Greg you do have a concrete point on the fact that rules were violated. The reason I have the sort of "whats the big deal" attitude about this is because in the video, there was no feeling of urgency or fear of anything. It actually sounded like the kid put a smile on the pilots' faces *enter fluttering fairies and sprinkle dust*. Its kind of like how the FSM tells you to torque the lug nut bolts to a specific measurement, but an experienced wrencher has no problem slamming that sucker with an impact wrench.

[szh]

Its kind of like how the FSM tells you to torque the lug nut bolts to a specific measurement, but an experienced wrencher has no problem slamming that sucker with an impact wrench.

And sometimes snapping off the lug nuts, or warping your brake rotors, no?

With the ATC, it is not the issue that something did not happen, it is the fact that something could have happened, even if it was a low probability.

And the outcome of that problem could have been fatal for other people. Imagine the personal problems for that kid for the rest of his life if he had caused an issue like that - adults can't handle things like that sometimes.

And, by the way, this ATC did it twice - he brought his daughter in the next day to do the same.

Z

[PoorManQ45]

And, by the way, this ATC did it twice - he brought his daughter in the next day to do the same.

Z

That's because nothing will go wrong on the ATC side. The dad has a mic on and active at the same time.

We are hearing this story almost a month later

[krash]

And sometimes snapping off the lug nuts, or warping your brake rotors, no?

I see what you're saying, but if you work on cars alot and have experience (not you personally), you know when to stop tightening. With his experience, he knew what to let the kid do and what not to let the kid do.

[szh]

That's because nothing will go wrong on the ATC side.

Oh, really? Can you guarantee that?

The ATC staff themselves cannot, you know.

Z

[PoorManQ45]

Oh, really? Can you guarantee that?

The ATC staff themselves cannot, you know.

Z

I can guarantee that a qualified ATC will react how they were trained if a situation occurs.

The fact that the son was on the Mic means nothing.

[szh]

I can guarantee that a qualified ATC will react how they were trained if a situation occurs.

What if the ATC hears the child say one thing, and for whatever reason, the pilot hears something different and an accident happens? The ATC would not have any indication of a possible issue till too late perhaps!

I will remind you of the fatal Singapore Airlines issue I mentioned earlier.

Unexpected stuff happens ...

The fact that the son was on the Mic means nothing.

Then you do not get it. It means everything if there is a problem of any kind - however remote the possibility.

Z

[AZhitman]

I can guarantee that a qualified ATC will react how they were trained if a situation occurs.

The fact that the son was on the Mic means nothing.

The situation occurring while the ATC is actively, willingly, and knowingly violating FAA rules exposes, him, his bosses, and the company to unnecessary liability.

No one CARES what you THINK when a situation occurs. All that matters are the facts.

I can't wait to see you in front of a judge someday.

[King Ranzo]

I loved working with my father when I was younger. Used to go on service calls n sh*t. It was pretty fun. This "incident" is stupid and just needs to be forgotten about because nothing bad happened and the dad was just trying to let his son have a little fun. And quite frankly, the kid did a good job from what I can see.

[PoorManQ45]

the dad was just trying to let his son have a little fun..

I think that's the problem. These days kids aren't allowed to have fun like they used to.

[AZhitman]

I think that's the problem. These days kids aren't allowed to have fun like they used to.

How can that be? I mean, you two are allowed to play on the Internet.

[krash]

I think that's the problem. These days kids aren't allowed to have fun like they used to.

I think you have it backwards. The problem these days is that kids can go around and do whatever the hell they want. Discipline in my generation is scarce.

[AppleBonker]

This "incident" is stupid and just needs to be forgotten about because nothing bad happened and the dad was just trying to let his son have a little fun. And quite frankly, the kid did a good job from what I can see.

I agree to some extent. Nothing bad did happen, and from my point of view (I am neither pilot nor ATC) I would agree that the kid probably didn't cause any issues.

However, the key point here is exactly what Greg pointed out. You absolutely cannot afford to do this in todays litigious society. I understand nothing "went wrong", but what if something had? The lawsuits would have been astonishing. While I don't necessarily think that is the way we should all function, it's the way of the world right now. Employees need to understand that they must help cover their employer when it comes to liabilities. This guy would've gotten them hammered in a courtroom.