Fastest NON-TURBO KA?

[Poetstylez]

I was only wondering what is the absolute most WHP that you can obtain with the KA24DE WITHOUT turbo.....ALL MOTOR! Has anyone ever attempted an all motor KA? changing internals & injectors & ECU & stuff? I just want to know if you can get a KA to around 240HP

[S3t0_S13]

my friends ka cranks 210 with upgraded cams, ECU, injectors, port polsh, intake and headers.im sure u can put out another 30 with high flow cat and exhaust and other things

[PrimeS14]

i was about to ask the same question!!!

i'm going to be building my girlfriends s14 NA street car.full engine build AT

still looking for a long block

e-mail me if anyone has one: [email protected]

[JesusLikesKFC]

your wasting your money. u will not see anything more than 160whp without unloading your wallet. this has been discussed so many times

my friends ka cranks 210 with upgraded cams, ECU, injectors, port polsh, intake and headers.im sure u can put out another 30 with high flow cat and exhaust and other things

umm no

I was only wondering what is the absolute most WHP that you can obtain with the KA24DE WITHOUT turbo.....ALL MOTOR! Has anyone ever attempted an all motor KA? changing internals & injectors & ECU & stuff? I just want to know if you can get a KA to around 240HP

it is posible, just gonna cost u a whole lot. not worth it imo

[elgarvo616]

i still wanna see what the KA would do with some ITB's cams and a tune(and all the other bolt ons too)

[S3t0_S13]

your wasting your money. u will not see anything more than 160whp without unloading your wallet. this has been discussed so many times umm no it is posible, just gonna cost u a whole lot. not worth it imo

your telling me a port polish wont get u to 200 with intake exhaust and headers? sure thats like a solid grand put into it, but dont say it cant be done

[240addic]

your wasting your money. u will not see anything more than 160whp without unloading your wallet. this has been discussed so many times umm no it is posible, just gonna cost u a whole lot. not worth it imo

Yes you can crank out around 240 without a turbo, resurfacing the head to a point of 12 to 1 ratio is and easy way to gain 30 to 40 hp; you'll lose bottom end but gain hp. Headers and exhaust is another 30, and intake is 10. You'll spend a good amount of money on it but it's around the same you'd spend on a cheap turbo- and you can't pass smog in California with a turbo unless you're willing to buy a specific brand that is validated as smog legal by the state.... In short- Jesus Likes KFC do your research before you fly off the handle and start calling bull**** cuz that's all that's coming out of your mouth.

[lrb_2000]

Headers and exhaust is another 30, and intake is 10.

since when?

[pregmantis]

240adic, I agree with you although I wouldnt shave the head to reach 12to1(you prob didnt mean that litterally) and you wouldnt lose on the bottom, you would gain across the board asuming that theres no detonation problems and too high a cranking pressure.

[neverlift]

mine IS the fastest. lol jk and 30 hp from i/h/e I must be buying the wrong shizzle

[9240sx]

The most iv seen is with my friends ka24de ITb's,Cams,Header,Tuned,Pulleys,Raised comp..P&P head.And a 5angle valve job..And alot more things i cant remember..But i think he made almost 180 at the wheels.Something like 177 around there..200 just seems so far away with a NA..And 240 seems

[DjPantsSpecR]

the dumbass who said 30hp could be gained from just header adn exhaust is till infact a dumbass. so definately dont tell someone else not to fly off the handle when you are jsut making guesses when people who actually know what they are talking about are giving advice.

so in otherwords, shhhh, grown ups are talking.

And if any more of you folks need advice i answered a thread last week about someone who wanted 50 more ft/lbs of torque, for a grand total of 220 ft/lbs. its only a week old so check it out, but i dont even include any dry sumps, ignition, or pulleys.... However to get to 240 wheel horse, you'll need a team on your side. not jsut bolt ons children, these will be engineers who actually use FEA and CFD instead of hoping what crap they build will work.

since you dont know what you're doing, adn you even had to ask, to get your KA to 240 wheel horse, you will need at least 12k, mainly for R&D. If you hook up with Rebello, you might be able to get this done... But when all is said and done, you'll be confused as to why you didnt just swap in an F20C. it will be cheaper to get to 240wheel horse, even after the install, with no boost and no juice.

so once again, that kid owes someone an apology

[240addic]

well i warped my head pretty bad so they had to take off quite a bit.... i don't know the exact ratio as of right now cuz i broke a cam after i got everything back together.... so im gonna put in another set of cams in it and if the same thing happens then im gonna get a new head...

[whiterps13]

ROFL, 40 hp from i/h/e, you guys must be joking. Instead of throwing out some arbitrary numbers that you like to make up, go to a freaking dyno. I will bet you pinks (haha) that i/h/e wont even get you 30hp.

And to the dude who "knows a friend" that puts down 200 hp (I think is BS), it has to be at the crank. We need to make it clear that we are talking about WHP.

240 WHP out of a N/A KA is just rediculous, unless the engine has been completely bored out and worked by a full timke race team. I still would have trouble believing it without a dyno chart.

Stop making information up to sound cool. DYNO CHARTS OR BAN!

[HashiriyaS14]

You could always buy a Rebello GT3 engine, lightly used, for $6-8k.

Of course, I have absolutely *no* idea why you'd ever do that.

Anyway, the KA is a good engine and fun to mess around with, but people need to stop dreaming that they're going to get serious power out of it for a couple thousand bucks.

The bottom line is that unless you've got the loot, you're not going fast, NA or Turbo.

[S3t0_S13]

And to the dude who "knows a friend" that puts down 200 hp (I think is BS), it has to be at the crank. We need to make it clear that we are talking about WHP.

240 WHP out of a N/A KA is just rediculous, unless the engine has been completely bored out and worked by a full timke race team. I still would have trouble believing it without a dyno chart.

Stop making information up to sound cool. DYNO CHARTS OR BAN!

y is it soo hard for a built KA to crank 200?i/h/e,no cat, ECU, port polish, rebuilt engine wont gain 50 horsepower to crank 200 ^??

[JesusLikesKFC]

Yes you can crank out around 240 without a turbo, resurfacing the head to a point of 12 to 1 ratio is and easy way to gain 30 to 40 hp; you'll lose bottom end but gain hp. Headers and exhaust is another 30, and intake is 10. You'll spend a good amount of money on it but it's around the same you'd spend on a cheap turbo- and you can't pass smog in California with a turbo unless you're willing to buy a specific brand that is validated as smog legal by the state.... In short- Jesus Likes KFC do your research before you fly off the handle and start calling bull**** cuz that's all that's coming out of your mouth.

Omgz...really? I can buy a cheap used t25 trubo for 100 bucks..Is it really cheaper?....no, u dont "stack up bolt ons assuming its gonna add 10hp intake+20ex+40p nd p= 70 more hp throughout the power band" and so on, doesnt work that way. If compression was higher cause u shaved your head you would not pass emitions either... Especailly smog. Nox anybody? This thread started as a request for WHP.never said u cant make over 160.....just said itll be very expensive. U sir need to take a chill pill and hit the books. :cough: so... how bout that apoligy, u hurt my feelings

Modified by JesusLikesKFC at 12:12 PM 6/26/2006
Modified by JesusLikesKFC at 12:13 PM 6/26/2006

[boznuttz]

you guys are kiddign yourself if you think it will also be efficient.

[boznuttz]

first point ill make: at ka24de motors are only efficient for higher power applications. jesus got a new exhaust, intake, headers, test pipe, grounding kit, crank pully, etc. with an af adjustment on the dyno, it pushed out a whoppign 110 to 120 whp. at are efficient when your putting down say 400 to the wheels, not 90.

[JesusLikesKFC]

lol with auto back in the day...
Modified by JesusLikesKFC at 12:20 PM 6/26/2006

[boznuttz]

not to mention you guys shoudl stop playing vid games and get to know the facts. upgrading parts isnt like playing with legos. if an intake system claims to add 10 hp, that doesnt actually mean you gain top end, you may have a greater throttle response with less restriction, but if anything, you may have more power( just slightly) around lower rpms. you wont be putting down an extra 10 to the wheels aroudn 5500 rpms. with a new exhaust that claims to add 30, i gotta laugh there. i have NEVER seen or heard an exhaust alone that benefited a stock ka THAT MUCH. keeping on point, if an intake claism to add 10hp, an exhaust 30(lol), a crank pully that claims 10hp, and headers and a straight pipe claimign to add another 10hp.........that does NOT mean you add it up like a number crunching (SORRY YIN IF YOU READ THAT S2) asian. differant bolt ons affect throttle responce and power efficiency throught the rpm range... it doesnt all add up liek a miracle at 6200 rpms for top end. intake may benefit around 3 to 4 k at most. exhaust.. MAYBE top end, but no more than 12 rwhp whiel keepign below 95 decibles at 5500 rpms on a stock ka24de. ugh, i hate typing.

[ddgsxr504]

your telling me a port polish wont get u to 200 with intake exhaust and headers? sure thats like a solid grand put into it, but dont say it cant be done

Man I am so sick of these how much juice can I get out of a NA/KA motor. I find it especially funny that all these people think that one or 2 bolt-ons will net you 30+ HP.

You want realistic #'s? A header will net you about 7hp maybe. A CAI will net you another 3-4hp. Add a decent exhaust and you can get another 10-12HP. You do the math.

Yes those mods won't get you 200hp! I know because I have them.

JWT Cams & ECU tunePort Polished HeadHotshot Header Apexi 3" cat back exhaustInjen CAINo CAT only 2.5" test pipeAccell 8mm wiresBosch Platinum Plugs

F*ckin Noobs. Take an auto shop class or something!


Modified by ddgsxr504 at 2:01 PM 6/26/2006

[DjPantsSpecR]

ddg thank you very much for that post. hard evidence like that cant be argued with.

Maybe, after a while these folks will be wishing for that 167.64whp you did. I'm both jealous and impressed.

Now kids, looking at that example, which is a really good build, you might be able to squeeze out an additional 15-20 whp by swaping in SOHC pistons, depending on what bore you use and what year piston.

and ddg i know you probably heard this a million times by now, but i still think its odd that you use bosch platnums when more often than not you hear people saying when they switched to NGK they noticed a difference. I say the difference is new plugs. However, im wondering what your impressions are

[JesusLikesKFC]

I remeber somthing a year ago of the difrences betwwen the 2 difrent sohc pistons. Definatly wasnt the 30-40 hp increase and 12 to 1 compression lol.

Cant deny the dyno charts kiddies... PWNED!

[ddgsxr504]

and ddg i know you probably heard this a million times by now, but i still think its odd that you use bosch platnums when more often than not you hear people saying when they switched to NGK they noticed a difference. I say the difference is new plugs. However, im wondering what your impressions are

I have been told a number of times that Bosch's suck and NGK's are better.

NGK's probably do yield better results (power ect) but I have been running Bosch (single prong) platinums for 5+ years with no adverse effcts or problems so far.

Prehaps one day I will have to drop in some NGK's and post the results of what the hype is all about. I just think that the price per plug is pretty excessive for what they are, a sparkplug. I do plan on trying them when I go KA-T though so I will keep you posted.

Now kids, looking at that example, which is a really good build, you might be able to squeeze out an additional 15-20 whp by swaping in SOHC pistons, depending on what bore you use and what year piston.

You sound like a teacher about to give a PWN3D class

[3dKa24]

192 CHP for ddgsxr that is not bad for your mods thats about on point have you opened up your T.B or your intake manifold probably will complement your mods and free up those stock restrictions. Also what about some cam gears and tune those JWT cams. Just some suggestions cause it seems like you got one of the most potent N/A KA's ive seen without a bump in compression or ITB's.

[DjPantsSpecR]

the differences in SOHC psitons, as according to deviousKA is: the older aka 89 aka 88 build year pistons have a slight dome to them. on a DE this will yield compression of about 11.7:1 depending on bore and the flycut that apparently needs to be done in order to clear the valves (im sure this might only be necessar for aftermarket cams)

the 90 pistons from the 89 build year have a slight dish and have acompresison on a DE of 11.2:1 iirc. ive never heard anything about flycutting these.

I would LOVE to teach a KA class. But i failed KA calculus 4 twice... But for now i gotta update my post on 30 dollar intake manifolds, only i dont want half of these people to have one.

[ddgsxr504]

192 CHP for ddgsxr that is not bad for your mods thats about on point have you opened up your T.B or your intake manifold probably will complement your mods and free up those stock restrictions. Also what about some cam gears and tune those JWT cams. Just some suggestions cause it seems like you got one of the most potent N/A KA's ive seen without a bump in compression or ITB's.

I still need to remove the coolant line going to the throttle body, I would like to get some pulleys for the front also.

I also have an Exedy Street Clutch and a Fidanza alum flywheel. It makes driving very fun but not to0 great when I get walked on by SRT-4, and Integra Type - R's and the like. I have been looking at getting a long block KA because I am wanting to go KA-T so I can at least get right around 300WHP. If I can get a setup and push that I will die a happy man.

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[240marcuSX]

If anyone is trying to find something they can do to make their NA KA a ground breaking street tuned car, theyre wasting their time.

The best reason to leave a KA NA is for race classing, or for dd reliability.

[Ajax]

well i warped my head pretty bad so they had to take off quite a bit.... i don't know the exact ratio as of right now cuz i broke a cam after i got everything back together.... so im gonna put in another set of cams in it and if the same thing happens then im gonna get a new head...

How do you break a cam?! Seriously, I've never heard of anyone doing this. Was it installed incorrectly?