Escondido tries to rid itself of undocumented immigrants (again)

[rn79870]

Fair enough. I just didn't want you thinking they were solely Mexicans.

[AZhitman]

Anecdotal evidence of the day:My sisteris taking some advanced summer school classes due to a health issue this year. Well she got sent to the principals because a substitute teacher accused her of lieing about her last name ('Fernandez') because she didn't 'Look Mexican (We're 1/2 Cuban) (this is what got me going yesterday so I apologize for the angry post)

Todd - That person needs their *** kicked, no question...

Don't worry, it affects everyone - Whenever I go somewhere with my Hawaiian buddy, Hispanics are always walking up to him speaking to him in Spanish - He's like, "WTF?"

Then they make fun of him for being a "sellout" (or whatever it is they call a Latino who speaks no Spanish)... How retarded can you be?

As far as the AZ population, I don't know how many "illegals" are here that aren't from Mexico, but I bet they'd all fit in my office.

I don't support Sheriff Joke or his "roundups", but I do know I'm sick of hearing the therm "harassment". If a group of meth dealers claimed harassment, we'd laugh at them.

Until the laws are changed, until a workable solution is found, it's going to be a difficult situation.

[WDRacing]

Good job Greg, good job. I hope the feds they hang the guy.

So in this case the death penalty would be warranted? Cause I agree that death would actually be a decent punishment for that many identity thefts combined with the treason charges that could be placed on him in out current state of war.

IMO if we actually held people accountable for their crimes we would be far better off in ALL area's. To include our now huge immigration problem. Not that I'm for rounding them all up NOW...just saying if we actually had a system that enforced the rules and punished the guilty a tad more harshly we'd be better off in general.

For instance...whipping a person that steals. 3 months in jail for a DUI etc...

Sorry off topic a bit

[AZhitman]

Well, that's kind of what concerns me...

Had I not been a real PITA about it, he'd have just gotten the opportunity to resign. It took a casual "comment" to our AG to get some interest in even pursuing the matter even further.

I still believe in punishment as a deterrent - If identity theives knew that there's a 10-year prison term awaiting them, they'd think twice.

[WDRacing]

Steal an identity and lose a limb...that would be fair IMO. No wasted tax dollars housing the criminal. I'll even let them pick what limb

[AZhitman]

LOL - And donate the parts to injured veterans!

[WDRacing]

The options are limitless

[audtatious]

The issue is with the people who either completely misunderstand the law/the issue or are using it as an excuse for their personal hateful bias.

I do hope you are not trying to assert that those who are against illegal immigration are simply using the law as a way to enact some personal vandetta (eg: racism) against Mexicans. This is very similar to today's delimma with the black communities where any negative remark is immediately associated as racism by the white community.

[Encryptshun]

LOL - And donate the parts to injured veterans!

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[C-Kwik]

From an unisured motorist perspective it could well have an impact assuming CA has no SSN requirement. I know my carrier requires it as they validate it and then use it for phone-in validation of who I am

Its simply a choice to validate identity. Some carriers require it for rating. Not haveing a SSN presents a challenge, but I don't think its a legal requirement.

If it is too difficult to get a job here based on legal status or validated SSN then they will leave on their own for the most part. No need to initiate some nightmare deportation sweep that will cause more problems.

But the simple fact is that this isn't a problem. In fact, even with small crowds of people looking for work forming near our hardware stores each day, there is still more work here then there. Personally, I tend to believe our minimum wage laws are partly to blame for this.

Realize I accept legal immigrants with open arms regardless of where they come from and I sympathise with those who feel they must come here and break our laws. If there was not so much of a burden on our society I would say to allow more in legally. But the fact remains that they stay on the fringe and are costing us quite a pretty penny that should be utilized to fix our own problems first. We have severe education issues and inner city issues that would be better resolved with the billions and billions of dollars that illegal immigration is causing us. Amnesty for them all is not a viable solution either.

Not arguing against the fact that they are indeed a burden. But it tends to get exaggerated propaganda style.

I read the report. My statement at the end of my above post reflected that I was not claiming that they necessarily had a higher rate (other than the offences above which they are usually not caught for) than the citizenry. Of course, the opposite view is if they were not here then the crimes they do commit would have never happened in the first place.

Perhaps, but then yoy can say that about legal immigrant groups as well. My point, however, was simply that their propensity to break the laws here are not necessarily increased by the fact that they broke laws to get here/stay here.

The crimes they commit to get here and to sustain their being here is simply a means for them to suck our economy dry. Sure, they somewhat give back with taxes and labor, but the burden to the taxpayer is far greater than what they pay back in. If they are having a problem in their own country, shouldn't they work to resolve it?

Their intent isn't to suck our economy dry. But if you're that concerned about where are money is going, I'd be more concerned with the corporations here loking for labor in other countries. There is probably a lot more money bleeding out that way.

As for resolving their issues, I doubt many of these people grew up with any formal education. Its likely much easier said than done.

Instead, they come over here and break our laws or deposit babies over here simply to have a better life off of our backs. Hospitals are closing down, clinics are full or filling up in a large number of areas, school systems are having major issues with non-english kids in english speaking classrooms, etc etc. Isn't that a pretty big burden being forced upon our citizens? While you may think it's not fair to them, what about the US citizen who no longer has a regional hospital because it is shut down or has kids in school who are falling behind because the teachers are too busy trying to teach the spanish speaking kids the english language to actually teach them or the highschool kid who can't find a job because the jobs they would normally take are all filled with illegals or when there are no apartments for rent when they get out of school and are ready to start a life? Where is the concern for our own?

Its not a concern for illegals that I'm arguing. What I don't care for is inaccurate info used to try and sway someone else's opinion of a particular group. If you feel strongly about this matter, then show some real quantifiable and relavant statistics and we can probably have a much more educated discussion. Throwing around generalizations on any subject gets us nowhere fast.

BTW, when I started Kindergarten, I didn't speak English. And I was born here.

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[skylndrftr]

I do hope you are not trying to assert that those who are against illegal immigration are simply using the law as a way to enact some personal vandetta (eg: racism) against Mexicans.

No I wasn't asserting that at all. I was simply saying that there ARE a large group of people who are using the illegal immigration topic as cover for their racism...there is a racist part of the group, the group itself though is not inherently racist. I was very clear about that

The old term DWB (driving while black) should really become DWH. I don't really look hispanic but I am and believe you me I got a very different response at the two AZ checkpoitns I have been through before and after I showed my license, My last name is irrelevant to roving anything. While that doesn't make you a card carrying member of the KKK it does seriously toe the line in my mind when we start assuming things based on last name and appearance.

@AZ glad to know you don't support 'Sheriff Joe' I think hes a bully and an *******, I am willing to bet he was the fat kid when he was younger and the hyperagressive attitude really makes me wonder...

@WD if some theif wants to be me that badly I think they can spend the next 4-6 serving as my personal slave...This is one area where I am almost tempted by revenge and personal vengance as justice, the courts can't really compensate me for dealing with ea credit beauea