Economic stimulus payment BS!!

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Dattebayo wrote:Apparently in this forum you have to have every damn word correct in every post.
Well yeah, that's how things make sense. If you want to talk about some pretty technical stuff such as tax withholdings and delinquent loans, you have to be very clear or else you lose.

If I'm not in rehab, yet I'm currently in default and I have one week left when I say so, aren't I still in rehab and default?

When you're done with school, you have to go through a loan exiting program and they specifically tell you that the government can withhold tax returns and wages in order to be paid back. A trick? No, you just owe them money and they want it.


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charlieo wrote:Do it. I'm extremely doubtful... There's been a case where the complexity of the tax law has come under scrutiny, but unconstitutional? That's a huge charge...

****. I've posted in the politics forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cryer

There you go. There are more links in the Wiki article of you want to go read them all.

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dusred wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cryer

There you go. There are more links in the Wiki article of you want to go read them all.
"Although the jury was not convinced of Cryer's willfulness, the theories he raised in his motions for dismissal have been repeatedly rejected by the courts."

It's been established by the courts in Cheek vs U.S. that willfulness is important.

"Cheek v. United States, 498 U.S. 192 (1991), was a case in which the United States Supreme Court held that a tax protester's belief that he was not violating the Federal tax law based on a misunderstanding caused by the complexity of the tax law itself—if a genuine, good faith, actually held belief—would be a valid defense to charges of tax evasion, willful failure to timely file income tax returns, and willful failure to timely pay taxes, even though that belief is irrational or unreasonable. The Court also ruled that a belief that the tax law is invalid or unconstitutional is not based on a misunderstanding caused by the complexity of the tax law, and is not a defense."

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...tates (if we're citing Wikipedia these days...)

Tom Cryer didn't argue legality, "Cryer was acquitted on July 11, 2007. Cryer did not make any of his arguments about the legality of the income tax to the jury itself. Instead he asserted that he really did not believe that he owed the taxes, so there was no criminal intent."
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Regarding the unconstitutional Federal Income Tax. I have read about this too. I guess there were 2 or 3 states that needed to give their ok in order to ratify the new Tax. They never did and now people try to use that as a loophole to get around paying FIT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protesters

There is enough info in the first 2 paragraphs to give you a taste of what I'm talking about.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...ments :

Some tax protesters may cite what they believe is evidence that the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (removing any apportionment requirement for income taxes) was never "properly ratified" or that it was properly ratified but does not permit the taxation of individual income, or particular forms of individual income. One argument is based on the contention that the legislatures of various states passed bills of ratification with different capitalization, spelling of words, or punctuation marks (e.g., semi-colons instead of commas) (see, e.g., United States v. Thomas[1]). Another argument made by some tax protesters is that because the United States Congress did not pass an official proclamation recognizing Ohio's year 1803 admission to statehood until 1953 (see Ohio Constitution), Ohio was not a state until 1953 and therefore the Sixteenth Amendment was not properly ratified (see Ivey v. United States[2] and Knoblauch v. Commissioner[3] in the referenced article). These arguments have been universally rejected by the courts.

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We've had this tax discussion before (legality of it). The guy trying to debate me on it (he said it was illegal) never returned, probably because I completely shut him down.

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Or probably because it is legal/Constitutional and you are right.bud

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^ Which is why I shut him down.

Here's the link to the legality of taxes discussion. Review it and go from there.

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smockers83 wrote:We've had this tax discussion before (legality of it). The guy trying to debate me on it (he said it was illegal) never returned, probably because I completely shut him down.
I like you and will allow you to live.

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Sentientbydesign wrote:OP, your post have been vaguer than Jacko3's description of his "little nissan" up until late. Intelligent, chronological posts are necessary if you want somebody to lend their shoulder to you to cry on. Otherwise STFU.
I don't know what posts you have been reading, but I showed this to a few friends and they had no problem following what happened.

A "shoulder to cry on" was never my intent, nor was this supposed to be posted in the politics forum (it was moved). Please back up off my as$, I planned everything according to how the plan was set up according to my adviser, and I happen to NOT be a finance major or a tax counselor, OK?!??

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charlieo wrote:I like you and will allow you to live.
Thanks, I guess. I'm glad I'm in your good graces and don't need to die.

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As far as the Economic Stimulus Check goes, I spent part of ours on our daughter's new bed, bedding and pillows. The rest went to pay bills. bud

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Deposited mine.

I refuse to stimulate the economy in hopes of seeing home prices plummet further so I can use said deposited money for part of a down payment.


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