eagle rods are here!

[WDRacing]

Oh I undertsand the whole process bro...I was just making a point. We do get gouged...there isn't any doubt in my mind. I expect some price gouging for import stuff, but honestly, double is a crime.

But, as with everything else we can't change it so we go along with it. By the way, I've run a machine before...I have lots of machine shop friends as well. The training isn't that difficult, after all, its done in high school alot of times.

WD

[Chezedik]

Yes, and I don't doubt for a second that we pay more because we don't have a 'bowtie' and I agree it is criminal, but you're right, I guess we just have to take it.

[Zion8561]

Not ARP in the KA Eagle rods? My SR ones had ARP.

I see that the Eagle Rods come with ARP for the SR, but it doesn't say that for the KA rods. "Strong high quality rods for big power extra strong rod bolts made from 4130 H beam Chromoly steel." They may or may not come with ARP bolts, but it is not specified on that site and it seems like it would be worth mentioning, as junk bolts are just the weak link in an otherwise good build (in my novice opinion).

So Looks like AMS sportsman is still the one to go with for this build. I have not heard any horror stories about them...I guess my only hesitation is that I really have not heard much at all about them.

[WDRacing]

Other then their shipping sucksass...

[Chezedik]

Also, I compared this set to the *revised* sportsman price, and for 5 bux, I like the extra 450hp that I would be afforded, even though I will never use it.

[Chris@AMS]

Other then their shipping sucksass...

Whose shipping sucks ***? I certainly hope you dont mean ours...

If anyone has any questions abour our rods or anything else, all they have to do is ask. I personally have these rods in my car and will be over shooting their horsepower gaurantee. I am not worried about tossing one out the side of my block...

All of the rods may be made in the same factory in China for all I know. However, I can tell you that all of the final machine work on our rods is done in an American factory. Each one is final machined and check for tolerances in the US before they get shipped to us. We don't have any issues with bores being out of round.

Because we put our name on them, that means that we believe in them. Otherwise, we wouldnt even be selling them.

I currently have 5 sets of Eagle rods which I purchased from one of my vendors out of curiosity. Anyone interested? This will the the last 5 that I sell most likely.

[Chezedik]

Have you found there to be issues with them?

[Zion8561]

May be asking too much, but since you are selling both types...

Any possibility of getting an un-biased review of the quality/finish of the Sportsman's vs. the Eagle rods? Also, do the 5 sets of Eagle rods you have come with ARP bolts?

Thanks

[Chezedik]

Eagle says that their rods come with ARP 2K series bolts. Also, He does not seem interested in keeping the Eagles, but I would like to know why.

Also, Chris, I hate to bust your balls, but as of late, the rumor is that there are problems getting things from you. Further, the prices seem to be going up. While I cannot blame you for capitalizing on your new found success, I would like to know if these problems rumors are well founded.

[Chezedik]

Whose shipping sucks ***? I certainly hope you dont mean ours...

BTW, that is not a retort.

[WDRacing]

I've heard alot of guys complaining about waiting forever for parts from AMS. So if thats true, then yes, you HAVE shipping issues. Having parts in stock means shipping them the SAME week, period dot. If you don't have the parts in stock, then you let customers know you don't have them in stock and are ordering them as you get orders. There isn't anything wrong with that process, keeping an overhead of parts is ultra expensive.

Perhaps my "sucksass" comment was ugly. I'm not intentionally bashing AMS. You guys have made huge leaps with KAT and are continuing to do so.

WD

[Kaleo55]

While haven't been able to fire my KA-T as of yet, I can say this about AMS. It did take them a very long time to get the order out, with that said however, the quality of the product from my point of view and more importantly from my builders pov, they are high quality. I also did receive a price break from AMS, and Frank was very helpful and easy to work with. I eventually had to return pistons I got from them but that was not an issue.

Here's a pic of their rods out of the box.



And here you can see them on the Sunnen gage being tested for tolerances falling in to .020, that's twenty thousands of an inch, like splitting a ***** hair four times.

[Chezedik]

I hope like HELL that you mean .0020", or twenty tenths. Because if you mean .020" out of round, then I am going to have to bore these rods before I install them. Which is NOT quality.

[SSS]

cell phone pic, but these are my Eagle ESP's for the KA:



The AMS and Eagle rods look identical to me.And not to bash AMS, but i only paid $319 for the Eagles.

[Chezedik]

Where did you find that, I will buy them very soon.

[SSS]

through importperformanceparts.net, they were quite good, very quick, had them in about a week (USA to Australia) via USPS EMS.

[DammitBobby]

I ordered my basic kit and AMS rods and got everything in 3 days. I made sure before I ordered that they had everything in stock. When I placed my order Eagle rods were not available. Yea I am willing to bet that Eagle Rods and AMS are from the same source. One fact remains though AMS supports KAT not many other companies can say that.

[Kaleo55]

Ha, they look identical to the AMS rods, looks like the same print material as well. And yes.. I meant .0020, you WON'T need to Bore them!

[Chezedik]

Good deal, you had me worried for a second, but it's easy to forget a 0.

EDIT: SSS isn't lying, $319!!! That is where I get my set. Also, $399 for Supertech pistons. Not a bad deal.

[Chris@AMS]

Quote »I've heard alot of guys complaining about waiting forever for parts from AMS. So if thats true, then yes, you HAVE shipping issues. Having parts in stock means shipping them the SAME week, period dot. If you don't have the parts in stock, then you let customers know you don't have them in stock and are ordering them as you get orders. There isn't anything wrong with that process, keeping an overhead of parts is ultra expensive.

Perhaps my "sucksass" comment was ugly. I'm not intentionally bashing AMS. You guys have made huge leaps with KAT and are continuing to do so.

WD[/quote]We pride ourselves in our ability to get orders out redciulously fast. If we have all the parts on an internet order, in most cases it will end up leaving our shop the same day. If there is EVER a shipping delay on a product from us the customer is notified immediately and also given the option of opting out of the package, having a partial shipment or deleting that part of their order.

We keep everything for a KA-T engine IN STOCK if it is available from our manufacturer. Notice, this is ONLY if it is available to us. If there is a backorder on a part we will do our best to let a customer know when we expect it to come in. When the parts are coming from a different part of the world (such as our rods) it is especially hard to get in contact with them and get an accurate time. Again, we do our best to keep everyone informed... If these are the delays that you are referring to, then yes, sometimes our shipping 'sucksass'. We NEVER sit on orders, if we have the parts they are out the same day or the next day, as I'm sure many of our customers will confer.


Modified by Chris@AMS at 8:27 AM 1/3/2007

[Chris@AMS]

Also, Chris, I hate to bust your balls, but as of late, the rumor is that there are problems getting things from you. Further, the prices seem to be going up. While I cannot blame you for capitalizing on your new found success, I would like to know if these problems rumors are well founded.

Where are these rumors surfacing from? We did have an issue getting some pistons in stock to US from Arias. We tried to keep everyone informed and some people were not too happy. We apologized and handled everyone as well as we could. I'd hate to think this gave us a bad rap for shipping, but I suppose it is possible. Can you be more specific when you say that rumors are floating around. If there is a customer out there that is un satisfied with his transaction I would like to help him out. In most cases if someone is willing to give us a call and explain their problem or situation we will bend over backwards for them.

Could you also please elaborate on which prices are going up?! Last I checked all of our prices were going down in an effort to offer the best deals possible... We may not be able to go as low as the people who work out of their garage on the internet, but then again, we can offer more support than them too.

I would also like to know where these rumors are coming from... I'm pretty active on the forums, or as active as I have time to be, and this is the first that I have heard of this...

[Chris@AMS]

Ha, they look identical to the AMS rods, looks like the same print material as well. And yes.. I meant .0020, you WON'T need to Bore them!

If any of you actually had a set of both rods you would be able to see the differences. Sure, they both look the same on the internet... If that is how you want to build your car, feel free. I can assure you that they are not the same. They are not even the same outside dimensions, and they most definitely not made at the same factory.

Our rods share nothing in common with the Eagles other than the fact that they are made for the KA.

[WDRacing]

My intent is not to bad mouth AMS Chris. For the record if I were ever to hand my car over to a shop it would be AMS hands down.

I didn't mean to perpetuate any rumors of shipping issues and I apologize for that. I should know better by now that things said on the internet are usually far from truth.

I wish all the crew at AMS a successful 2007. Hopefully you guys will have a few more records under your belt by 08.

WD

[Chezedik]

Mainly there are rumors of the price of the AMS GT32 going up, also I thought I remember those rods being $369. If I am wrong, then I am as bad as WD... well, not quite.

Most of the rumors that float around on this board are of problems with shipping, there was never any mention of any contact from you guys, and in most cases no mention of the product involved. Now, if I take this prima fascia, it presents a bad image, but I guess I can also understand that a lot of this bad mouthing probably only comes from frustration, and so the situtation is almost surely not as bad as they say.

I however do not apologize for my posts, because I am careful to word them the way that I meant. There are rumors, and all I asked for was to have you address them. I am satisfied that you have done that.

PS: WD I am sitting in SkyHarbor right now, and despite the bad signal, I love it. This may be my new home in a few months (or Tuscon, Scottsdale, Glendale, etc.) It is so weird to see Mountains in the middle of the city, or to see Mountains (remember, I am from KS).

[WDRacing]

Stay in Phoenix bro, Tucson is a cesspool. The highway system...well there isn't one here. The one in Phoenix is so much better. I'd live in Phoenix over Tucson in a second. How long are you in town?

[Chris@AMS]

Mainly there are rumors of the price of the AMS GT32 going up, also I thought I remember those rods being $369. If I am wrong, then I am as bad as WD... well, not quite.

Its not a rumor, the price is going up. That is what happens when my manufacturer raises the price, I have no choice. I told them we weren't going to sell nearly as many at the raised price, if any at all. Unfortuneatly, my hands are tied.

The rods were never that price from us.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

I think the price of turbos in general has gone up. I remember a couple years ago a VF-34 from http://www.jscspeed.com cost somewhere around $750. Now it costs $1359. Thats huge. I am always willing to pay a little more for better service, and fast responses and communication from a company, and I think AMS provides all of that. If I ever need to buy something that AMS sells, I'm buying it from them. (heh, unless its horribly out of stock, and backordered for a long time )

[NCturbo75]

lol $400 is still higher then they are for the sr/4g63/honda rods.i have some friends with eagle rods in there sr and are very happy with them. i also know of dsm guys pushing 500 rwhp with eagles.

I had a set of Eagle rods in my old Civic LS-t hatch and was able to make close to 400hp on pump gas. Eagle rods are pretty damn good for the money, IMO.

[frsh13]

Any word on that KA turbo manifold? Im holdin out as long as I can with my current one, but it sucks not being able to take your car to redline because of boost creep

[Chris@AMS]

I am always willing to pay a little more for better service, and fast responses and communication from a company, and I think AMS provides all of that. If I ever need to buy something that AMS sells, I'm buying it from them. (heh, unless its horribly out of stock, and backordered for a long time )

We appreciate it. It's because of wonderful customers like yourself that we are able to stay in business and actually come up with the time/money/resources to build things for the KA-T market. Luckily not everyone cares only about who is whoring the product the lowest, offering no product support, etc...

Thank you