E85 + Borg Warner S360 Results
Re: (Booztd 3)
you car is sick man! I have decided its best for me to get rid of my turbo and pick up a slightly smaller one for more streetability as well...now i'm hitting full boost around 5k, and only reving to 7500. 5-550 is my goal, how do you feel about this turbo and its lag? Obviously the power is there...maybe a BWS258 for me? Just trying to get your opinion about the turbo and its spool from someone that is running one effectivly.
Re: (Largekid)
The 58 could probably get you to 500, the 60 would def get you to 500-550Largekid wrote:you car is sick man! I have decided its best for me to get rid of my turbo and pick up a slightly smaller one for more streetability as well...now i'm hitting full boost around 5k, and only reving to 7500. 5-550 is my goal, how do you feel about this turbo and its lag? Obviously the power is there...maybe a BWS258 for me? Just trying to get your opinion about the turbo and its spool from someone that is running one effectivly.
The spool is pretty good on this turbo, I like it alot. Its there instantly after shifts, and is usually at full boost by 4200 or so, in 4th gear....
Re: (Booztd 3)
its good to hear! kinda funny too! I have talked with SP about tuning my car as well, it was going up there the right before I wrecked it...now its bodywork time then up there to tune. Good to see what I heard from them is true.
Re: (gawdzilla)
Iv been trying to tell people for the longest time about exactly this. You can take a Borg Warner extended tip turbo, make the turbocharger itself a few sizes under the 'Equivalent' GT-R series turbo, and hit the exact same power with much better response.
Its so difficult to try to sell Borg Warner turbos because Garrett 'ball bearing hype' has(had) the automotive world by the balls.
If anyone is interested in Borg Warner turbos i sell these turbos through a professional turbo vendor and rebuilder. Hes become a personal friend and business partner with me http://timsturbos.com The prices i can get you are much better than the ones listed on his page. We can also do custom exhaust housings to match your applications or needs.
[email protected] if you want to reach me.
Heres a little crash course in Borg Warner extended tip turbos. At the time i had gotten a deal on two s258's, so i used one on my Ka-T and sold the other one.
Quote »It will come with a .63 exhaust housing, which is PERFECT for our cars. It would start to spool below 3000, and i hit 5-6 psi by 3100-3200 RPMS. I have a tubular equal length manifold with a smaller inner diameter. This turbo spooled only 150 rpms later than a 50 trim t3/t4 .63 ar that was good for 450. This turbo is good for 600 HP on some apps.
This is my s258. The one thats for sale is the exact same turbo seen here, same Race Anti-Surge housing and all. The one you would get however would still have the badges on it and would not be 'polished'(took pic before i finished) like the one shown.
The extended tip technology is the latest and the greatest in the turbo world. Most if not all of the big HP drag guys have realized that the BW S series turbo has many advantages over the GT-R series, and have already switched to the S400's and larger. The BW S series has higher flow rates and surgelines than the GT-R series, making it a higher hp capable turbo. It will give you more HP at the same PSI than the GT-R Garrett turbo. In addition to this, the Borg Warner turbos are about 2/3rds the price of a Garrett GT-R series, and are rebuildable, unlike the Ball bearing turbos. The Garrett unit however will spool between 150-300 RPMs faster than the BW.
Here is a picture of 2 'Extended Tip' Borg Warner compressor wheels.
As you can see, the veins of the inducer/exducer extend out past the wheel. You can also see they used much less metal for their exducer. The tiny amount of metal on the outside of the wheel replaced a large piece of aluminum that is found on the Garretts exducer. This allows for a lighter compressor wheel which will counteract the journal bearings tendency to want to spool slightly slower than a ball bearing unit.
Compare the BW wheel with a Garrett GT wheel, shown here and you can see what im talking about. This particular wheel is a 50 trim compressor wheel.
See how the smaller fin(exducer) thats underneath the larger blades(inducer) is much larger on the Garretts wheel? More rotating mass, making it less efficient than the BW unit.
In addition, the GT-R series turbos use a smaller turbine wheel than a comparable BW unit. In another way of saying it, the BW turbine is a much higher flowing turbine wheel. This means that with the BW unit your back pressure(aka drive pressure) will be lower, your MPGs will be better, and your EGTs will be lower.[/quote]
Its so difficult to try to sell Borg Warner turbos because Garrett 'ball bearing hype' has(had) the automotive world by the balls.
If anyone is interested in Borg Warner turbos i sell these turbos through a professional turbo vendor and rebuilder. Hes become a personal friend and business partner with me http://timsturbos.com The prices i can get you are much better than the ones listed on his page. We can also do custom exhaust housings to match your applications or needs.
[email protected] if you want to reach me.
Heres a little crash course in Borg Warner extended tip turbos. At the time i had gotten a deal on two s258's, so i used one on my Ka-T and sold the other one.
Quote »It will come with a .63 exhaust housing, which is PERFECT for our cars. It would start to spool below 3000, and i hit 5-6 psi by 3100-3200 RPMS. I have a tubular equal length manifold with a smaller inner diameter. This turbo spooled only 150 rpms later than a 50 trim t3/t4 .63 ar that was good for 450. This turbo is good for 600 HP on some apps.
This is my s258. The one thats for sale is the exact same turbo seen here, same Race Anti-Surge housing and all. The one you would get however would still have the badges on it and would not be 'polished'(took pic before i finished) like the one shown.
The extended tip technology is the latest and the greatest in the turbo world. Most if not all of the big HP drag guys have realized that the BW S series turbo has many advantages over the GT-R series, and have already switched to the S400's and larger. The BW S series has higher flow rates and surgelines than the GT-R series, making it a higher hp capable turbo. It will give you more HP at the same PSI than the GT-R Garrett turbo. In addition to this, the Borg Warner turbos are about 2/3rds the price of a Garrett GT-R series, and are rebuildable, unlike the Ball bearing turbos. The Garrett unit however will spool between 150-300 RPMs faster than the BW.
Here is a picture of 2 'Extended Tip' Borg Warner compressor wheels.
As you can see, the veins of the inducer/exducer extend out past the wheel. You can also see they used much less metal for their exducer. The tiny amount of metal on the outside of the wheel replaced a large piece of aluminum that is found on the Garretts exducer. This allows for a lighter compressor wheel which will counteract the journal bearings tendency to want to spool slightly slower than a ball bearing unit.
Compare the BW wheel with a Garrett GT wheel, shown here and you can see what im talking about. This particular wheel is a 50 trim compressor wheel.
See how the smaller fin(exducer) thats underneath the larger blades(inducer) is much larger on the Garretts wheel? More rotating mass, making it less efficient than the BW unit.
In addition, the GT-R series turbos use a smaller turbine wheel than a comparable BW unit. In another way of saying it, the BW turbine is a much higher flowing turbine wheel. This means that with the BW unit your back pressure(aka drive pressure) will be lower, your MPGs will be better, and your EGTs will be lower.[/quote]
food for thought when deciding between the garret gt and these turbos
http://forums.evolutionm.net/s....html
not that the gt35r used before the BW turbo also had the tial compressor housing.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/s....html
not that the gt35r used before the BW turbo also had the tial compressor housing.