Driving Music

[Drift Machine]

westside connection or slick rick with the subs going, otherwise its got to be In Flames, thats dome driving fast music.

[Megaseth]

I saw a music post and i had to reply. cruising with my friends i like some Initial D, classic rock, rock, some metal. When im prowling the streets, I listen to the Haunted, some KMFDM, Anthrax w/public enemy, Ice-T, and any other hard core stuff. and just recently i've started listening to classical music. there's nothing cooler that driving around blasting wagner, chopin, or mozart. adios

[aleph1]

I disagree that electronic music has no musical qualities. Rap in general has far less "musical" qualities, especially when compared to electronic music. Rap relies on lyrics to be sang (or talked). While, most electronic music either does not have lyrics or doesnt rely nearly as much on them. Most of the popular electronic artists usually have a good deal of general and musical intelligence. Take Aphex Twin (experimental) for example, he learned electronic engineering in college...he did drop out, but he MADE his own synths and such and went on to become a modern musical genius.

All in all, electronic music has more in common with classical music than any other forms of music. The effort to make a song in electronic music is more on the actual MUSIC (eg: melodies, rhythm, sfx, etc), because thats what actually carries the song, not some hard-a** guy talking talking about BS.

[FrEaK]

whoa whoa whoa... listen buddy rap music when it is made starts off with people playing instruments like piano, guitar and other instruments... then they take that and mix it into something unique and add bass.... that is far more that electric music people doo... then they make lyrics which is one of the hardest parts... electric music doesn't do that because they dont have the mental capacity to... it's clear that most of those people need to be able to hit buttons on a keyboard but all the rest is done by their comp....

[aleph1]

yes, please tell me how to create synth patches. PLEASE! Since you say its so incredibly easy, just hitting some buttons, to just make a sound on a synth or computer. Ever tried using VAZ Modular or Reactor? Ever try using an actual synth or sampler? I doubt it. You need a good degree of technical intelligence to even take advantage of the tools, then the talent comes in. Ive been producing electronic music for a while. I know how music production goes. I know that half of rap "artists" do nothing except rap and all the people that know their **** make the music part behind the scenes.

Your own point of electronic music having no mental capacity is against you. Electronic music envokes feelings and emotions WITHOUT the need to be hand-held by lyrics that TELL you what to feel. Not to mention that electronic music can use lyrics as well (for the babies out there), its a much more flexable base style than rap, where if there is no rap...its not rap anymore.

Not to say that Rap isnt musical, it is a form of music, but I think its more poetic than musical. They all have their place, all Im saying is that electronic music as a whole is obviously more musical than rap. Listen to something other than "techno" and youll see. I hate when people think electronic music is only the stuff played in clubs and such.

[Rifter240]

AMEN! I do samples and synths for a black metal/industrial band and its alot harder than just pushing buttons....anywho...Music...hmmm how about..

Soilwork, SOAD, Faith no more, dead prez, primus, george accosta, Filter, Freestylers, B-Boys, sevendust, Dwelling, 311, Shootyz groove, skunk anaise, Dead kennedys, Rollins band, Led Zepplin.

If it has a moderate beat, Its good for driving...however some of my friends have banned me from listening to speed and death metal while driving...its gets fun for me and scary for them...apparently.:ylsuper

[GoofyATX240]

I listen to alot of D&B like Dara,diesel boy if im in the mood and some other peeps like pistol whip and some other guys.

Or some vocal trance or breakbeats.Like Dj taboo,Dj Greddy,Dj skyy and some others...

But mostly D&B especiially some photek.

[Rifter240]

I never been a big D&B guy...Photek kicks @ss though. You have local trance...all we have here is house...yay...nk

[GoofyATX240]

I never been a big D&B guy...Photek kicks @ss though. You have local trance...all we have here is house...yay...nk

Hell yeah Photek kicks a** hehe.I dont mind some house music theres different styles that I actually liked, but more then half of the time im not into it.I wish I knew some DJs for some nice sounding house.Not the club house heh.

[aleph1]

Photek is awesome. Solaris isnt as great as his older stuff, but its ok.

[FrEaK]

So what you saying is you have to be a technical genuis to make that sort of music? thats funny because that doesn't mean it's a talent it just means he's good a making noises from his computer.... Its has more basic music than rap? excuse me but rap is build on almost every genre of music ever produced, from classical metal techno trancewhatever its all based on one form of music to another... and yes they actually do play some instruments and not JUSt rap... besides it IS a talent to beable to rap to a beat and spin off freesyles off the top of their head for 3 minutes strraight and actually have a message involved...it would take days maybe weeks for you computer generated Mozart to even think up lyrics... if techno and trance and all that is so hyped then why is it only played at SOME raves and SOME clubs and NEVEr in any of the cars that i see... maybe its because there is no sould involved... they're just noises put together to sound like a star trek episode...

[aleph1]

you never hear it because its not super trendy like rap and rock. its not hyped, and for good reason. cuz people like you dont give it a chance and its more for the "underground" which is fine by me. I dont want any trendy rap/rock lovers ruining the "scene". 90% of the time raves only play electronic music, sometimes theyll have a hiphop area.

Id like to know what rap has anything to do with classical. Just because a song has some sampled strings in it does not mean its a classical influence. It has a totally different structure and pacing than classical, where as a lot of IDM (intelligent dance music) songs share those aspects.

You have to be technically intelligent before you even get to use the talent to produce most electronic music styles. Where as you just rely on talent for rapping (which is debatable by itself).

Do you even know how rap music producers (not the actual rappers in most cases) make songs? Lets see, usually with synths, samplers and computers....sounds similar to how people produce electronic music...Just because a computer actually generates the TONE, doesnt mean you have to be any less talented than with a guitar and such, I could argue that the guitar is doing all the work for the player as well simply because the tone comes from it and not the person.

Lyrics do not make a song. I hate being told what this person is telling me to feel, personally. I like hearing a tune or beat and lifts my spirits, focuses me, angers me, or makes me feel meloncholy. I like that electronic music has so many differening styles and that the music is emotionally very open ended.

You need to listen to good electronic music: Aphex Twin, Autechre, Mu-ziq, Future Sound of London, Plaid, Orb, Thunderdome (not and artist, but music from the party), Photek...any happy hardcore....there are so many.

PS: Drum'n'Bass is sort of a take off of Rap/Hiphop, but ususally doesnt have the rap. check that style out, you might like it.

[FrEaK]

gosspel rap has classical influence... and in many songs so is the background music... lyric take the music to the next level... people like listening to lyrics they can relate to... it gives them a different feeling and thats why so many people get pumped when they listen to it or get serious or happy and wht have you.... playing a guitar and composing music on a computer is totally different... with todays technology and elementary school student can easily compose music with some program but most people cant play the guitar well until high shool or college..... i agree some rap is made with synths but most of the time it's nt it's made with real instruments and mixed on tables... then the rapper fits in some good lyrics and you have some good music to put u in the racing zone...

[GoofyATX240]

[Qoute]PS: Drum'n'Bass is sort of a take off of Rap/Hiphop, but ususally doesnt have the rap. check that style out, you might like it. [/QUOTE]

Also try AK1200 you might like it.But be advised stay away from dark D&B I dont think you would feel it like the other D&B beats-Freak

[FrEaK]

What's dark D& B

[GoofyATX240]

Its kinda hard to explain ill explain best I can or say go download some John B or some Dj krust some of the songs are dark.Or dielsiel boy his stuff is dark.....Its kinda like two step(not in the country way) youd have to listen to find out what im talking bout.

And this post made no sense hehe sorry.

[FrEaK]

Uhhh ok

[aleph1]

i agree some rap is made with synths but most of the time it's nt it's made with real instruments and mixed on tables... then the rapper fits in some good lyrics and you have some good music to put u in the racing zone...

These "real instruments" as you call them are nothing more than samples of pre-recorded riffs and hits of guitar, pianos and other acoustic instruments being played back through a sampler. Who knows if they actually played them or got it off a sample CD (the latter usually, since it is much easier). They dont mix the actual song on a pair of 1200s. Maybe for live shows, but not in the recording studio, only really HQ and expensive equipment is used: compressors, efx racks, samplers, huge mixing tables, limiters, all usually controlled by a computer interface with usually either ProTools, Logic Audio, or Cubase.

Dont take what Im trying to say in a way where I am bad mouthing Rap, I never once said it was bad. I PERSONALLY dont care for it now, but I used to be into old skool Ice Cube which led me to electronic music eventually, because I didnt realy care about the rapping, mostly the beats. Rap has its own place and it is good on its own merits. But like I said, its more poetic than it is musical.

[FrEaK]

Yes they do use table to mix their music... any group that has a dj is constantly working to mix up creations... without him they dont have a unique sound.... the djs are what make the song unique.... they dont use the computers until after the 10 or 15 minute spinning is done... then they edit it... and those musical riffs aren't sample always... the record studios enlist bands who have experience playing for rappers and then they get them to play little cuts which the dj then mixes in the song...

[Spectre]

Does anyone like "eraser" by/\/I\/\? I get some weird looks when I blare that one. I like the creepy drums.

[BIONICQ45]

Yes they do use table to mix their music... any group that has a dj is constantly working to mix up creations... without him they dont have a unique sound.... the djs are what make the song unique.... they dont use the computers until after the 10 or 15 minute spinning is done... then they edit it... and those musical riffs aren't sample always... the record studios enlist bands who have experience playing for rappers and then they get them to play little cuts which the dj then mixes in the song...

What happened to the Fat Boys? Now that was music. No instruments, just the Human Beat Box (aka Buff) spitting and slobbing on the MIC while Prince Marky D and Cool Rock Skee layed down the lyrics.

"3.95 for all you can eatNow I'm uh stuff my face to a funky beat!I'm uh walk inside and see what's up,Put some food in my plate and some Coke I'm my cup!"

More powerful and meaningful words have never been written since. :pface Addidas or suede pumas, furry Kangol hats and big gold chains. Good clean wholesome music. I guess there is no market for such in today's rap world.

I still ride out to the Fat Boy's "Can You Feel It"!:ylsuper

[FrEaK]

I got some friends who can beat box really well... it's amazing at the noises people can make

[stretch240sx]

i listen to some good ol' METALLICA or some rob/white zombie. Fast and loud.

ROCK ON:ylsuper

[aleph1]

Yes they do use table to mix their music... any group that has a dj is constantly working to mix up creations... without him they dont have a unique sound.... the djs are what make the song unique.... they dont use the computers until after the 10 or 15 minute spinning is done... then they edit it... and those musical riffs aren't sample always... the record studios enlist bands who have experience playing for rappers and then they get them to play little cuts which the dj then mixes in the song...

Ive been getting Keyboard magizine for the past 3 years...I have seen a LOT of interviews with rap/hip hop producers. 95% of the time no decks are used in the studio. Like I said, live shows, yes, but recording...no. These same "DJs" usually MAKE the music for the song AND they also spin mixes for CDs and such. This is and should be common knowledge. But maybe youve been exposed to too much MTV rap videos where they use tables for show. Take a look at any professional rap production studio (not a home studio), I will pay to see one that has turntables used as a main form of mixing.

You can't just do a mix down of a whole song on 2 turntables. You are missing the point of how turntables are used. They are used mostly for live shows, they have vinyls of songs, loops, riffs, hits, efx, etc. and beat match or scratch them. You are giving the average DJ way too much credit, most just beat match songs.

Seriously, learn something about music production and the equipment used. Like the MPC series of samplers by Akai, a lot of rap studios use this sampler for most of the song, which is then sequenced with a computer running ProTools with efx and mastering done also, for example. This is how the average rap song is usually made.

[stretch240sx]

an example to prove that they dont use real music.... if you watch mtv cribs they show all the rappers studios where they get their main parts of the song... and all it is is a recorders computers and some key boards. no drumbs no guitar, no bass....

also this new eminem so closet or whatever the drumb beat is done on a keyboard or a way out of tune snare and bass drumb....

[FrEaK]

first of all it's drum not drumb... second of all a whole rap song can easily be made on turntables... they are able to switch discs while maintaining a beat... just because on The Basement they dont have the instuments there doesn't mean they weren't used to create an original riff for the rappers to play off of... before computers and such rappers did use turntables and people who want to be original still use them... all the pop rap you listen to are take offs on already made beats... turntables are used to create something new and will always be one of the most used tools to create ingenuis music without dling music or using a little program to do it for you...

[aleph1]

Before they used computers they used hardware mixers, effects, samplers and DAT recorders mostly (which is still used today). Please explain how the song got on the record in the first place. Im sure old skool and some rappers still today used loop records to rap, cuz all you need is a beat right? Well if thats the case, then they didnt make the beat themselves which isnt very original now, is it? I give props to people who compose the whole song themselves, not just make some lyrics to a beat or melody that they didnt do at all.

You are very vague on the subject of how exactly they make the music from scratch with turntables, I dont think you know, youre assuming.

Turntables create something new? This statement couldnt be more wrong. All turntables can do is playback. PLAYBACK WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN RECORDED. So how could it possibly do anything new? Besides scratching(which isnt in every rap song)... nothing.

[FrEaK]

Whatever man we got so far away from the original argument... rap takes more talent than techno bs.. and that the bottom line..

[FrEaK]

You've proven that it takes alot to make a rap song.. from computers to lyrics to scratching and spinning and to mixing... and also from instrument to creat e the riffs

[aleph1]

Actually no. It probably takes a similar amount of effort for rap and electronic. Its just that you dont like electronic music so you'll naturally have a very biased opinion about it. Seeing as you gave very little facts about anything. And before you say I have a biased opinion about rap, I dont. I never said it was stupid, while you just said techno was "bs". =)