Let me start off by saying i hope this isn't a re-post. I saw this on a local forum and thought i would post it here to get you guys & gals FIRED UP!!!
http://www.ktvu.com/video/12957065/index.html
Responses any one???
DRIFTING BAN?
Re: DRIFTING BAN? (nopilot s13)
This is a warning to all those F'ING IDIOTS WHO TRY TO DRIFT IN THE STREETS, ITS F'ING ILLEGAL. making the wrong people pay.
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adrianfromthecastle
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (nopilot s13)
yeah... sucks balls because of course, its profiling.
anyways... here's what can be done.... email your response, and please, use correct English and at least sound intellegent when emailing your responses. Nun ov diz kinda typing y0! Don't email your rants. http://www.driftbattle.org/
Quote »KEEP MOTORSPORTS ALIVE. KEEP DRIFTING ALIVE.
There is a direct threat to motorsports here in Northern California. The Board of Supervisors of Alameda County is considering a ban the sport of Drifting at Altamont Motorsports Park. Their rationale for this is the perception that drifting is about street racing, drugs, side-shows and gangs… a perception we have always had to fight. Well, here’s our chance to show Alameda County (and the national media) that we are NOT associated with any of these items. Here is our chance to announce that drifting is a legitimate sport that is enjoyed by lawyers, students, engineers, truck drivers, store owners – every possible segment of the community, as well as by women and men.
In the 30+ drifting events previously held in the Bay Area over the last three years, not once have the Police been involved; not once has any driver been seriously injured on the track; and, not once has any controlled/uncontrolled substance been used at any event. It is apparent that Alameda County is unfairly profiling the drifting community. We are being discriminated due to race, age, and gender. Simply because over 80% of our enthusiasts are minorities, young and male, we are classified as "a threat" to the community. In some ways, this is exactly the same “profile” that was applied to drag racers in the 1960’s… which is now an internationally recognized, multi-billion dollar segment of the motorsports community.
Any of us can attest that if Alameda County is successful in banning drifting at Altamont Motorsports Park, it will provide conditions that could do tremendous damage throughout Northern California. Parents, police officers, drift drivers, educators, and business owners agree that if drifting is ban from Altamont Motorsports Park, it will create a condition in the Bay Area that will actually promote illegal street racing and promote other unsafe activities by young people. If drifting is not allowed, where will young drivers practice drifting, road racing, or other forms of motorsports around the Bay Area? And then, what’s next to go? Road racing? Skateboarding? Street rods?
Drifting is yet another form of motorsport in which anyone with an interest can enjoy their love of cars, speed, competition, etc. Altamont Motorsports Park and its new owners have, over the course of the last year, provided us a safe and controlled means to practice and compete. THEY NEED YOUR SUPPORT! OUR SPORT NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT! We need your support to show Alameda County that this is important to us, to the business community, and to our local communities. How to help:
Send a letter, or fax or e-mail to: Alameda County Planning Department224 W. Winton, Room 111 Hayward, CA 94544
e-Mail: [email protected]: 510-785-8793 Mr. Chris Bazar, Planning Director, is a GOOD GUY and a friend to drifters and Altamont Motorsports Park… so don’t take your frustration out on him! Instead, be supportive and positive. In your letter or e-mail, tell Alameda County about your professional background. Tell them how drifting keeps you off the streets. Tell them how safe and controlled the sport is. Tell them how much money you spend (especially in Alameda County) supporting businesses that support drifting and Altamont Motorsports Park. Tell them how you obey traffic rules when traveling to or from Altamont Motorsports Park.
All letters, e-mails and faxes MUST be received by Alameda County by 5:00pm Monday, April 23. [/quote]
anyways... here's what can be done.... email your response, and please, use correct English and at least sound intellegent when emailing your responses. Nun ov diz kinda typing y0! Don't email your rants. http://www.driftbattle.org/
Quote »KEEP MOTORSPORTS ALIVE. KEEP DRIFTING ALIVE.
There is a direct threat to motorsports here in Northern California. The Board of Supervisors of Alameda County is considering a ban the sport of Drifting at Altamont Motorsports Park. Their rationale for this is the perception that drifting is about street racing, drugs, side-shows and gangs… a perception we have always had to fight. Well, here’s our chance to show Alameda County (and the national media) that we are NOT associated with any of these items. Here is our chance to announce that drifting is a legitimate sport that is enjoyed by lawyers, students, engineers, truck drivers, store owners – every possible segment of the community, as well as by women and men.
In the 30+ drifting events previously held in the Bay Area over the last three years, not once have the Police been involved; not once has any driver been seriously injured on the track; and, not once has any controlled/uncontrolled substance been used at any event. It is apparent that Alameda County is unfairly profiling the drifting community. We are being discriminated due to race, age, and gender. Simply because over 80% of our enthusiasts are minorities, young and male, we are classified as "a threat" to the community. In some ways, this is exactly the same “profile” that was applied to drag racers in the 1960’s… which is now an internationally recognized, multi-billion dollar segment of the motorsports community.
Any of us can attest that if Alameda County is successful in banning drifting at Altamont Motorsports Park, it will provide conditions that could do tremendous damage throughout Northern California. Parents, police officers, drift drivers, educators, and business owners agree that if drifting is ban from Altamont Motorsports Park, it will create a condition in the Bay Area that will actually promote illegal street racing and promote other unsafe activities by young people. If drifting is not allowed, where will young drivers practice drifting, road racing, or other forms of motorsports around the Bay Area? And then, what’s next to go? Road racing? Skateboarding? Street rods?
Drifting is yet another form of motorsport in which anyone with an interest can enjoy their love of cars, speed, competition, etc. Altamont Motorsports Park and its new owners have, over the course of the last year, provided us a safe and controlled means to practice and compete. THEY NEED YOUR SUPPORT! OUR SPORT NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT! We need your support to show Alameda County that this is important to us, to the business community, and to our local communities. How to help:
Send a letter, or fax or e-mail to: Alameda County Planning Department224 W. Winton, Room 111 Hayward, CA 94544
e-Mail: [email protected]: 510-785-8793 Mr. Chris Bazar, Planning Director, is a GOOD GUY and a friend to drifters and Altamont Motorsports Park… so don’t take your frustration out on him! Instead, be supportive and positive. In your letter or e-mail, tell Alameda County about your professional background. Tell them how drifting keeps you off the streets. Tell them how safe and controlled the sport is. Tell them how much money you spend (especially in Alameda County) supporting businesses that support drifting and Altamont Motorsports Park. Tell them how you obey traffic rules when traveling to or from Altamont Motorsports Park.
All letters, e-mails and faxes MUST be received by Alameda County by 5:00pm Monday, April 23. [/quote]
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Re: (rico05)
LOL... haterrico05 wrote:Drifting is lame anyway. Good riddance.
Re: DRIFTING BAN? (Nick240sx)
Sweet. That'll cut down on a useless waste of tires and keep a few cars out of the scrapyard......j/k, well, not really, but I still disagree.
You'll probably find more idiots peeling out of the theater with drugs and alcohol after a showing of F&F than you would ever see at a drifting event, so why don't we just ban movies about racing?
Oh, rednecks get drunk while watching Nascar so lets ban it.
People get in fights at basketball games so..............
Point is, all it takes is a few idiots and anything can be hated or banned.
You guys have no idea how bad I hate the media, and I believe it, and the governments wasteful spending without any objections, will eventually lead to the demise of this great country.
I just hope I'm not around to see it.
You'll probably find more idiots peeling out of the theater with drugs and alcohol after a showing of F&F than you would ever see at a drifting event, so why don't we just ban movies about racing?
Oh, rednecks get drunk while watching Nascar so lets ban it.
People get in fights at basketball games so..............
Point is, all it takes is a few idiots and anything can be hated or banned.
You guys have no idea how bad I hate the media, and I believe it, and the governments wasteful spending without any objections, will eventually lead to the demise of this great country.
I just hope I'm not around to see it.
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Re: (adrians_s13)
Drifting seems to invite stupidity, and by that I mean all the idiots who go out and do e-brake slides in residential neighbors with no concern for the law or anybody else.
A ban just because it "attracts the wrong kind of crowd" is lame. Lot's of other things attract "The wrong crowd."
Personally, I used to like drifting, now though I could really care less about it. I guess the overexposure and the constant questioning of "OMG DO YOU DRIFT YOUR 240S!" by annoying people and the money involved made me grow tired of it. I would still go to an event though, just because it's an entertaining experience and there are some neat cars.
A ban just because it "attracts the wrong kind of crowd" is lame. Lot's of other things attract "The wrong crowd."
Personally, I used to like drifting, now though I could really care less about it. I guess the overexposure and the constant questioning of "OMG DO YOU DRIFT YOUR 240S!" by annoying people and the money involved made me grow tired of it. I would still go to an event though, just because it's an entertaining experience and there are some neat cars.
the main issue here is this: if they were stating their intention to crack down on the dumbasses endangering others out there with their poor decision-making capabilities regarding their ability to drive, it would be okay. public streets arent the place to practice your skills with car control, blah blah blah youve heard it a million times.
regardless of my opinion on drifting, i think its stupid that any form of government thinks they can prohibit the activity on a closed, privately owned venue at a sanctioned event. thats overstepping the boundary imho.
its just like them to oversimplify and fallaciously associate illegal activity with something entirely unrelated, though. they much have been watching too much Tokyo Drift instead of investigating what really happens at a drift event.
regardless of my opinion on drifting, i think its stupid that any form of government thinks they can prohibit the activity on a closed, privately owned venue at a sanctioned event. thats overstepping the boundary imho.
its just like them to oversimplify and fallaciously associate illegal activity with something entirely unrelated, though. they much have been watching too much Tokyo Drift instead of investigating what really happens at a drift event.
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Re: (d!ck)
Your right on that part. Im not familiar where they hold their event's in the bay area, but if it's like Long Beach then they should have the right to allow or deny them to do it seeing as it's done on the city streets. Again though, Im not familiar as to where the Bay area events are.d!ck wrote:regardless of my opinion on drifting, i think its stupid that any form of government thinks they can prohibit the activity on a closed, privately owned venue at a sanctioned event. thats overstepping the boundary imho.
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Re: (d!ck)
I agree with it if it's on the streets, but not if it's on a track.
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Re: (d!ck)
IMO, I think it has a lot to do with the portrayal of what FnF Tokyo Drift has given...
I mean c'mon, where else would they get the idea that drifting promotes gangs, drugs, and violence... real life?
I mean c'mon, where else would they get the idea that drifting promotes gangs, drugs, and violence... real life?
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Re: (adrians_s13)
This is the bay area, they probably think any car related trend is bad and attracts the wrong crowd. They have had previous incidents, remember "Ghost Riding Da Whip"?. Yea.
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Realize that if this passes it will probably lead to other new laws being presented against road racing and drag racing as well. They usually do. I fully expect to see this kind of action supported by the environmentalist movement as well since drifting is bad for the environment (all that tire smoke you know)
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There's still Infineon Raceway...
For the record, they're just trying to ban it at the Altamont, not outlaw it in the state of California. If you've spent any time in Alameda county you'd probably understand. People do some stupid f***ing stuff there, especially street races, sideshows, etc. As bad as it sounds for them trying to ban drifting at the Altamont, I can't say I blame them. Now if we're talking about Contra Costa and Sonoma county where it's not really an issue, then I'd be pissed.
For the record, they're just trying to ban it at the Altamont, not outlaw it in the state of California. If you've spent any time in Alameda county you'd probably understand. People do some stupid f***ing stuff there, especially street races, sideshows, etc. As bad as it sounds for them trying to ban drifting at the Altamont, I can't say I blame them. Now if we're talking about Contra Costa and Sonoma county where it's not really an issue, then I'd be pissed.
...until they come up with some kind of "bio-rubber" that costs 10x as much and doesnt really benefit anything environment-related, anyways. if you can make it smell enough like their own farts and give them a false sense of self-righteousness and accomplishment, im sure they'd be all over it.audtatious wrote:Realize that if this passes it will probably lead to other new laws being presented against road racing and drag racing as well. They usually do. I fully expect to see this kind of action supported by the environmentalist movement as well since drifting is bad for the environment (all that tire smoke you know)
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I hope to god that they start banning drifting on the streets.
Make it a fine/conviction as bad as reckless driving/racing!!
That will teach those stupid kids from drifting in the streets. The part that I really hope they go after is drifting on unsanctioned private property. In otherwords, you drift in the walmart parking lot, you can get nailed for a big time offense that is equal to or worse than racing.
Way to go!
Obviously this has no bearing on sanctioned race tracks.
Make it a fine/conviction as bad as reckless driving/racing!!
That will teach those stupid kids from drifting in the streets. The part that I really hope they go after is drifting on unsanctioned private property. In otherwords, you drift in the walmart parking lot, you can get nailed for a big time offense that is equal to or worse than racing.
Way to go!
Obviously this has no bearing on sanctioned race tracks.
Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
Profiling WORKS.adrians_s13 wrote:yeah... sucks balls because of course, its profiling.
Profiling is GOOD.
Nothing wrong with profiling when it nails the bad guy.
Go after riced out cars and cars commonly associated with drifting and you will nail more idiots.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (bobotech)
yes, when it nails the bad guy. Yet, what about those who aren't in the wrong? I have a 240sx.org sticker on my car, yet to the cops, its a racing sticker, that will give them reason enough to pull me over and make me pop my hood. I don't street race, I don't street drift. I take my car to the track, as well as daily drive it. Why do I have to be hassled?bobotech wrote:Nothing wrong with profiling when it nails the bad guy.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
you just answered your own question. its a crappy time we live in. im in the same boat.adrians_s13 wrote: I have a 240sx.org sticker on my car, yet to the cops, its a racing sticker, Why do I have to be hassled?
Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
If you have NOTHING to hide, then WHO CARES if they pull you over. Don't advertise that you have a racing sticker on your car and you won't get hassleed.adrians_s13 wrote:yes, when it nails the bad guy. Yet, what about those who aren't in the wrong? I have a 240sx.org sticker on my car, yet to the cops, its a racing sticker, that will give them reason enough to pull me over and make me pop my hood. I don't street race, I don't street drift. I take my car to the track, as well as daily drive it. Why do I have to be hassled?
Its very easy to get along in this wiorld, don't stand out and you won't get picked on.
I see nothing wrong with them pulling you over if you make a stupid mistake (like hittting the yellow line with your tire) and they think you might have something illegal under the hood.
Do you have any thing illegal under the hood that might get you a fixit ticket?
If you do, then remove it and comply and you won't worry about being pulled over.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (bobotech)
I guess you and I will never see eye to eye on this.bobotech wrote:If you have NOTHING to hide, then WHO CARES if they pull you over. Don't advertise that you have a racing sticker on your car and you won't get hassleed.
Its very easy to get along in this wiorld, don't stand out and you won't get picked on.
I see nothing wrong with them pulling you over if you make a stupid mistake (like hittting the yellow line with your tire) and they think you might have something illegal under the hood.
Do you have any thing illegal under the hood that might get you a fixit ticket?
If you do, then remove it and comply and you won't worry about being pulled over.
I'm a car enthusiast... not to be confused with a street racer. To the cops, it's no different. The sticker I advertise is a NICO forum sticker, not an aftermarket product.
Yes, my car is boosted. In otherwords, it's not stock, aka, automatically illegal. I will never understand how my ~200hp car would be illegal, yet anyone with a Viper cannot.
if you want to be purely specific and technical about it, bobotech is right.
profiling DOES help police agencies identify and apprehend their targets more efficiently and successfully than the alternatives, and if you aren't doing anything wrong than the worst thing you have to worry about is the inconvenience of being stopped or followed.
HOWEVER, since the system isnt perfect and relies human error and judgment to work, there have been cases of innocent people being negatively affected by it.
on a personal level, i sympathize with adrian and jon, and if you guys ever got screwed id be just as pissed as you were.
i stopped trying to understand the hypocritical and backwards legislation that your state passes and enforces a long time ago. i respect you guys for being able to live with the risk of that type of scrutiny.
profiling DOES help police agencies identify and apprehend their targets more efficiently and successfully than the alternatives, and if you aren't doing anything wrong than the worst thing you have to worry about is the inconvenience of being stopped or followed.
HOWEVER, since the system isnt perfect and relies human error and judgment to work, there have been cases of innocent people being negatively affected by it.
on a personal level, i sympathize with adrian and jon, and if you guys ever got screwed id be just as pissed as you were.
i stopped trying to understand the hypocritical and backwards legislation that your state passes and enforces a long time ago. i respect you guys for being able to live with the risk of that type of scrutiny.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
vipers meet the countrys emissions standards, and the owner has to pay a gas guzzler tax.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
i gotta agree with both of you. it shouldnt happen, but it does. i run around with big wheels, low car, loud exhaust; and i am upset when they pull me over for "nothing". but at the same time, i know why. last time i was pulled over for a big muffler, the cop was really cool, but admitted that was the reason. he heard it up close, and didnt care to go any further. but while i was on the side of the road with the cop, a ricer in a crx went whipping by sounding like he had a million bees in the muffler. i knew right then that was why he had pulled me over....kids like that.adrians_s13 wrote:I guess you and I will never see eye to eye on this.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (srpowered240sx)
eh... regardless... lets get back on topic...
Street racing/ drifting = bad
regardless if you like drifting or not, to others drifting is awesome... but I don't see why drifting on tracks should be illegal. Thats almost like saying, a gun killed my friend, lets ban guns from shooting ranges.
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
that's actually a very good analogy
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Re: DRIFTING BAN? (daytona drifter)
thanks lately, my analogies have been teh suck (SAT ftl)... I was afraid someone would give me sh*t about the right to bear arms and the laws of modifying your car or something along those lines...daytona drifter wrote:that's actually a very good analogy
Re: DRIFTING BAN? (adrians_s13)
adrians_s13 wrote:thanks lately, my analogies have been teh suck (SAT ftl)... I was afraid someone would give me sh*t about the right to bear arms and the laws of modifying your car or something along those lines...
we should have the right to bear arms, they are ours anyway, and attached to our bodies.
ok bad joke time is over. im with you guys for the most part, it shouldnt be banned from the track at all. It should definately be banned from the streets.
its bad enough now that i saw some idiots trying to dorifto a civic onto main street. wtf? i laid on my horn and they were all like "wtf man! were drivin!" i yelled back "is that what youre gonna tell your insurance company when you wreck into someone elses car?"
if its that bad......it needs to be banned.