Doom 3!!!!!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Oh yeah...DOOM 3 is finally here!!!I built my computer* specifically for DOOM 3 and Half Life 2 about a month ago, and now, FINALLY, one of them is available...in two days. Anyone else here a gamer like me? We should kill each other some time in DOOM or HL, or UT2K4. Or BF:V. Or DII:LOD. Or...So c'mon! Join the party! It's once again time to be scared ****less while sitting in a dark room in front of a computer screen with an equally frightened audience peeking over your shoulder. While weilding a chainsaw. :chainsawYeah, I know this is a Nissan forum...but I put this here anyway.

*For anyone who cares, this is my monster PC of DOOM:AMD Athlon 64 3200+ at 2.0 ghz512 mb RAM128 mb Radeon 9800 ProCreative Audigy 2 PlatinumDVD ROM52x??x52 CD-R/RW Driveand just for perspective: I can run Far Cry fully maxed out while watching a DVD and playing DII:LOD without any frame loss in any of those three.

[BB Turbo]

Was there any mansechs involved?

[MinisterofDOOM]

Well...only for the purpose of lowering the price of the computer. That's it. It was a worthy cause. And I took no part in it...I found a volunteer for that part.

[BB Turbo]

Nice. Pics I tell ye! Pics!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Pics of what? The game, the PC, or the mansechs? 'Cause the mansechs was disturbing enought the first time, I wasn't about to take pictures. Screenshots I can do, though. So much blood...:chainsaw. I like blood.

[nab911]

Nice computer. Im about to get a 64 bit pc and a 64 bit laptop. What os you runninG? and do you have any problems with the 64 bit?

[MinisterofDOOM]

Thanks, I'm runnning Windows XP (I hate Microsoft, but i can't run all my games in Linux yet, so I have to settle for windows). The 64 bit has caused no problems. It only helps. According to the guy I bought my computer from, the AMD 64 is equivalent to 4 times the Pentium 4 of the same speed. (so my 2.0 ghz is equivalent to a 8 ghz P4). while I think that is a bit exaggerated, I can definitely see better performance in my system than my friend's 3.0 ghz P4EE. Which is sad, since my chip cost about 200 bucks, and his cost over 1,000. Another benefit of teh new 64-bit architecture is the support for 2 gigabytes of RAM, something no Intel chip can touch. Microsoft is supposedly working on a 64 bit version of windows expected to be released in 2006 or 2007. A few game developers are also working on special 64-bit editions of their games. When that happens, the Pentium will be made obsolete, and the AMD 64 may indeed run at equivalent to 4 times speed.

If you have the extra cash (i think its about $750--still cheaper and FAR better than the P4EE) go for the AMD Athlon 64 FX-53. Its AMD's very top end chip.

And DOOM 3 runs without any lag or slowing on "high" settings at 1024x768 on my system. Which is saying something. It cost me $1800.

[nab911]

When the software can handle the 64 bit... it should be able to run theoreticly ~50 times faster just because of how much data can be processed. I think it can handle 8 gigs of ram, a 1600Mhz fsb and rediculous amounts of calculations a second. I tohught the 64 bit XP was already out? I know linux has been supporting 64 bit scince the 80's just no one could mass produce the chips reliably. Intel is trying to catch up to AMD but they are getting sodemized

[sanioll]

Mr. MinisterofDOOM,

that pc first of all is not monster at all. It is just high end parts stacked together.

Try 3.2ghz P4 overclocked to 4Ghz and geforce 5950 overclocked to 550mhz with 56.72 drivers. Liquid cooling does the trick i say.

Oh, I can push Pentium 4 a little more than 4ghz---couple ice cubes in water tank work magic. LOL

==============================================ABOUT DOOM 3

best dynamic lights, shadows, best light rendering across textures, skin, etc... best ever, but

texture quality sucks, gameplay sucks big time, sooo boring..

yes it is good when u start playing it, but it gets so boring, cheap fear factor techniques.

Halo multiplayer(PC) is still fun and my favorite.

If u haven't played pre-doom titles, then DOOM 3 is just looks good, very good, but not fun to play at all. It is like Unreal 2. looks real good, but gameplay sucks.

with my pc specs, i get about 40-60+fps in medium environments/ high settings/everything turned on/ 1280x1024 res/w/21" monitor/audigy2 zs/7.1 s750 speakers.... whole nine yards.

ultra looks same but runs abt 20fps/not playable.

so there.

I really hope we gonna have some good modes made for doom 3 soon. try duck tape mode for now.

hopefully HL2 is gonna be fun and make my day. really hope. other than that, this high tech world is very boring, dont u agree. evolution moves very slow.

[sanioll]

THE FUTURE IS NOW!!

(if you have the finances for research)

[MinisterofDOOM]

I disagree completely. Halo is one of the worst games ever made. It's just the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over until you want to smash your monitor in. And by the way. No pentium powered PC can ever be a monster. It is no less high end parts stacked together than mine is. Even the P4EE, the top end Pentium--which as I said costs almost four times what my chip did--, at twice the clock speed of my Athlon 64, can't come close to the benchmarks or actual performance my PC makes (50-70--right after bootup it can get to 70 or 75-- fps with DOOM 3 on "High" settings). And I need no more than a single CPU fan and a single case fan to keep mine adequately cool. Sound settings in DOOM 3 don't drain system resources--and therefore don't negatively affect visuals--like most games since DOOM 3 bypasses the sound card, using the CPU's internal sound drivers. A guy with a $500 no-name PC will hear the same thing I hear in my Acoustic Athority 2.1s, which is the same you hear in your 7.1's--just not from as many places, and obviously, the 7.1's are higher quality speakers. Oh yeah, and NVidia hasn't made a respectable card since the GeForce 4 Ti64. Take a look at the benchmarks. Even overclocked, your 5950 can't touch my low end Radeon 9800. And I'm pretty sure the 5950 (I could be wrong here...I can't remember for sure) doesn't support Pixel Shader 2.0, which is why DOOM3's textures look so terrible on that PC. None of this is meant as a flame or with any hostility, I am simply rebutting your statement with pure, proven facts. Check out the September '04 PC Gamer for info on DOOM 3 system demands--and not just what it says on the box.

For my multiplayer fix, I desire something with slightly more...depth...than Halo (which is about as deep as the largest lake in Death Valley). I play UT2004 and BF: Vitenam. I gave my copy of Halo (PC) to the neighbor kid.

Just out of curiosity, what did you think of Far Cry, If you have played it. I though the same of it that you thought of DOOM 3: great visuals, great shadows (and yet, your character has no shadow...what the...?) even some good spooky moments. But in the end--actually closer to about two or three hours into the game--after you find Valerie again-- it just got boring. Yet another bad game I gave away, since copyright paranoia keeps stores from buying used PC games anymore.

As for the high expectations for HL2, I fully agree: I don't beleive I'll ever be this excited about another game for the rest of my life.

I am a person who can be easily amused, but can expect a lot from things as well. DOOM 3 is a good, overtly bloody fix to my hankering to kill things. And since I have memorized every square inch of Black Mesa and Xen, I need something new. That's not to say I'll ever tire of Half Life. The scientists say the funniests things when you shoot their colleagues. And I'm pretty sure that Barney thinks Freeman is making passes at him. That's what drinking before work can do to you! I wonder if Otis will be in HL2...

[MinisterofDOOM]

Here...here's a link to a page you may find interesting:

http://incessantdoom.com/ipw-w...?t=32

If you can answer the questions there (with something more satisfactory that "just because", we will all owe you one. Oh and don't let the forum its in bother you...I just copied it to that and the Halo forum so that people can chose how to respond to it.

[BlackJDMdeath]

i play halo... a lot. i've only played it on PC once and just about everything about it sucked. the graphics were horrible (and that's comparing them to a damn console!), i used an adapter for an xbox controller, which helped. i didn't like that i couldn't use the same buttons for everything like the console version (meaning the same buttons didn't always didn't do the same thing, if you get what i mean). the fact that movement wasn't pressure sensitive, but aiming was, was gay. the things i DID like was the ease of finding/joining a game and the mass amounts of people. i play on XBC and it's not nearly as user friendly, i assume this will be fixed with H2 because it will be available for xbl, which will cut out the middle man (the computer).

why do i like halo? i think one of the best parts about halo, is that you can find people to play with literally anywhere. i have held a random 8v8 lan at my house with some guys that we overheard talking about halo at freaking village inn (a resteraunt, for anybody that doesn't have them). i'm the type of person that doesn't NEED the best graphics in the world, as long as you have good multiplayer play. i'm going to go ahead and say that if you didn't like the multiplayer, it's because you sucked. nobody likes to just be spawn killed repeatedly.

to touch on the weapons subject... i like that not EVERYBODY can have rockets and a sniper rifle, what fun would that be? generally the better people can get the better weapons, makes sense to me. also, there are MANY tricks on getting weapons. being able to grenade a sniper rifle to yourself from the middle of the level so that you don't have to expose yourself is pretty damn helpful, if you know how to do it. i also think that it provokes more team work. having different people have different weapons and work as a team, somewhat specializing in their poison.

i'm not really a fan of the single player, but co-op is a lot more fun. in halo 2 you will be able to do the campeign with 4 people, that will help people build team work. a team of really good players with no team work will get owned by a team of less skilled players with good team work.

something was said about them not having a whole bunch of different weapons. well... there's the pistol, AR, shotgun, rocket launcher, needler, sniper rifle, plasma pistol and plasma rifle, frag grenades and plasma grenades. there will be more weapons offered in halo 2 like a rail gun, SMG, feild rifle (something like that), the elite sword and a few others i'm not real sure about. they have changed the way just about all of the weapons work, to my understanding. you will also be able to dual weild in halo 2. IE- holding a needler in your left hand and an SMG in the right, being able to fire both at the same time. the sniper rifle will have a lot more recoil as i understand it, also. there will be melee combos as well, being able to properly place a melee can mean life or death in a close quarters confrontation.

the levels are going to be much different in halo 2, like, crazy different. you should download all of the halo 2 trailers, including the multiplayer trailer and check it out.

i don't really know what all to say, because well... you said quite a bit! but if you have any questions about the subject, i would be more than willing to talk to ya about it.

[MinisterofDOOM]

PC graphics for Halo are only worse if your PC is not as powerful as the XBox. Mine is equivalent to several XBox's and Halo looks incomparably better on my PC than on the XBox.

Dual wielding has been done before...years before. Althought the prospect of the needler and an Elite sword does sound incredibly fun!

I do not suck at multiplay, I am very very good. even in halo. That's half the reason its no fun, there is no challenge. I have just grown accustomed to more involving and thought-requiring games like Battlefield Vietnam and UT2004. I used to be (before school took over my life and I had to give it up for a while--never got my touch back all the way after that) literally unstoppable in Half Life multiplayer. That one didn't get boring because I could hack the physics engine during games, making for fresh content and such--as well as some confused players who keep falling up and getting stuck there...mwahaha!!! I do the LAN thing a lot, too, dragging my PC to homes of people who I don't even know. Its great fun. I am getting high speed internet (3 mbps!!!!) next week, so I might pull Halo back out and see if now I can enjoy with a respectable connection.

As for the types of weapons, yeah, I forgot a couple, but mainly, they are all the same thing with a different model and different amount of damage. And I did like the stickiness of the plasma grenades. Reminds me of the grenade launcher from UT2004...hey, Halo did THAT one first! Cool. You're right about the teamwork thing, too. The problem with that is I have never ever been on a team competent to coordinate attacks. They all just fight their own little war, as thought there are not teams.

I agree with you on the not needing the best graphics though...I could care less. Have you ever played Geneforge? Horrific graphics, but some incredibly addictive gameplay. I just get tired of everyone saying how great Halo's graphics are when they are not that great.

Thanks for the insights. Most of the Halo fanatics I know are the kind of people who just worship it, call anyone who doesn't worship it a loser, and have no valid explanation why they worship it. At least now I understand where you are coming from.

[BlackJDMdeath]

if you say there is no challenge, then you will have to play my friends and i on XBC sometime. if not us, there are MANY very very challenging opponents on xbc. if you were to get on xbc, try searching for team "hq", it stands for halo quebeck, quite possibly the best team with sniper rifles i have ever encountered, and i'm pretty damn good with one myself.

if you get on xbc, add the name "NitroMad" to your buddy list, that's the server i always sign on as.

as far as the graphics on the computer goes... you're probably right, i seriously doubt it was a bad *** computer or anything, which means the quality was most likely turned down. i know that what i saw, sucked. looked like a 6th grade generation of what halo would look like. i should probably hold out for a computer that's worth a s*** to see what it SHOULD look like

one of the things i like about playing halo on xbox is that you don't NEED a computer for every single person, you can get 4 people on 1 console, and then link 4 consoles together creating a 16 person game. i am guilty of almost always having enough cat5 for 4 box's a hub, 2 xbox's, 6 controllers and quite often a 32 inch sony trinitron in my car so that we can have big games wherever and whenever (pretty funny fact actually... one time, while out at the street races, there was a big *** RV parked in one of the parking lots. i, of course, had all my stuff with me, including tv. so i parked next to the RV and we set up halo right there in my car, at the street races, playing, trying to get people to play us for money now THAT is dedication!).

if you ever have any questions or just want to converse about all that is halo, you can message me on aim, Black JDM ded :thumbup:

[MinisterofDOOM]

Too bad I don't have and XBox...I have heard something or other about a program in the works for PC that lets PC gamers play people with XBox versions of the same game...not sure how it would work, since there are a lot of differences between the two, but I hope they get it working; I need a good multiplayer challenge. (Even Battlefield is getting bad--no one plays as a team anymore!)

[BlackJDMdeath]

that would be weird, PCs and consoles playing the same game on a network, together. odd...

[nab911]

Yeah, because you can upgrade a PC to crazy specs.. .like the one im gonna be building soon but the xbox is pretty much stuck where it is unless your crazy console tuner.

[MinisterofDOOM]

That is one huge advantage of the XBox, though. With its layout, you can do all sorts of BIOS and OS mods. A friend of mine has an XBox with a 160 GB hdd and Linux. The only poblem is, XBox live finds the BIOS alterations and won't let you log in. That's what toggle switches are for...If there were a way to get XBox Live to ignore BIOS hacks, the console/PC networking would be easy as pie. Linux likes pretty much anything, and as picky as Windows is, you can pretty much force it to do whatever you want. Pretty much...

[sanioll]

Halo multiplayer, only multiplayer is fun. whole game design the physics, and environment as a whole and graphics are fun. maybe i dont play too many games, have too narrow view of current games.

lol, DOOM3 specifically optimized for nvidia cards, from fx to 6800 series. fx5950 does support shader2.0, Doom3 looks really good on my pc, depends who's looking though. for a guy whos bored, i mean really bored, he wants a magic. seriously, u know what i want, I want a freaking shark with lasers attached to its head. thats what i want.

I agree with nvidia's reputation. we haven't seen a good card since geforce 4. that's really sad, since i'm a nvidia fan.

about farcry: it's graphics blew me away when i played it. i loved ocean/water graphics, but its refractive animations wasn't satisfactory. Hope and i have seen it in movies too, hl2 will implement it perfectly. reason it blew me away, BECAUSE i switched to 5950 from geforce ti500. In upgrade department i go by Moore's law. I update/rebuild every time chip speeds double. So yes, far cry was looking good. i did a big jump from ti500. gameplay was just like a game u know. i started using cheats at 75% of game, it was boring.

i really do hope that hl2 will be good, and i do hope that i will be able to play it on my shiny new 1.5ghz intel pentium mobile laptop on university's wireless network at our boring lectures with my pals. ================================im a intel/nvidia guy. dont wnt to get into argument but, i believe intel runs faster cooler and amd runs slower, hotter, but efficiently.

nvidia is good, their drivers are rock stable. ati-- me dont like it, 'cause their drivers are **** stable.

for the crybabies who complain about graphic quality of games like halo, please get a good hardware(drivers) then talk. just please stfu.

[MinisterofDOOM]

yeah...your right about the Intel faster, cooler--AMD slower, hotter thing. The architecture of the chips means that Intels chips are faster and move less information at any given time, while AMD is the inverse. It ends up about equalling out. It does make Intel the chipset of choice for wordprocessing, spreadsheet, etc., while AMD is best for graphically or mathematically intensive operations by a small margin in both cases.

And yes, I agree wholeheartedly about whiners about graphics. either get a decent rig, or shut up. Just enjoy the game. Isn't that what they are for? Who cares about the graphics if its fun?

By the way, I got my high speed internet. My average connection is 2.8-3 Mbps. Been playing a lot of DOOM 3 deathmatch and MTA. My ping in MTA averages 55. My old ping was about 700. Makes a big difference.

[sanioll]

i bet you got comcast. my download speed can get as high as 3.1Mbps which is really nice. didn't try doom3 multiplayer since it was horrible at the beginning and i gave doom 3 to a friend of mine. so i dont believe i will be playing it. i will also cancel the internet service, just dont feel like paying $60 a mnth for it. got too many bills to pay for this semester. lol. try paying $150 for a BS calculus book.

ahhh, gee, wouldn't it be great if current market supplied parts for notebooks. i mean lots and lots of parts w/lower prices, so we could design and mod our own $hit.

anyway, enjoy faster surfing, its like a heaven dont you agree?

and plz do play halo multiplayer with stupid mods like this one, its still fun:

pay attention to hogs dropping from the sky
Modified by sanioll at 1:01 AM 9/8/2004

[MinisterofDOOM]

$60? Mines only $45...between 2 of us....we have a nice little 4-computer network sharing it...makes for some fun UT2004 teamwork. And a whole lotta profanity as we try to run eachother over in MTA....MWAHAHAHAHA...SPLAT!

[MinisterofDOOM]

And if you want to take a look at some wierdness in GTA...http://incessantdoom.com/v-web/gallery/Bweeps-picsThose are the result of the combination of the Indestructible Car cheat and the Solid Granite Car cheat...and no, I didn't cheat my way through the game, I just got bored...and as you can see, the results are very amusing.

[sanioll]

yes, it nice to have a strong wireless network and share your connection with neighbors. it lowers monthly price drastically. your mnthly should be $11 then. but i guess youre nice and paying the whole bill. and your friends supply pizza during long gaming sessions.

only problem comes into mind is when all trying to search for p0rn at the same time. slow download speeds can have some side effects. lolll

and ping should be affected a bit too right? but just make sure youre the one whos conneceted to cable modem directly.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

finally got my hands on CALL OF DUTY. $30 bucks for that, and not worth it. and i will add that i bough it after playing Pacific Assault demo. so it was veryyyy boringgggg. but u wanna killl more and go further. OK, OK, i know there are freaks out there that have a thing for Call of duty, plezzzzz calm down. its a good game if you like it. can u beilieve it my colleague didn't give me a copy becuase he is too much into it. he said i can't, its my favorite game, i play it every day, its my life. BIG KID!

HALF LIFE 2 where the F.u.C.k are you?

[MinisterofDOOM]

Actually, even sharing connection for Doom3 and Ut2004, I have noticed no lag--from our lan. Lots of people try to play UT and Doom3 on dialup...that drags the whole game down to their ping....not good at all. And yes, sharing a network for p0rn is a bad thing. I need all the bandwidth I can get.

[MinisterofDOOM]

HAHA! NEW!!! MinisterofDOOM's Mpnster PC of DOOM, v. 2.0!!!!I nearly have enough money for this. This really IS a monster. It damn well better be at $3200!!!

AMD Athlon 64FX53 at 4Ghz1Gb DDR RAMRadeon X800 (256 MB onboard RAM)and all the toys on the above PC of OOM, plus a 802.11G card and a new 17 inch monitor. (my old monitor on the other PC can't even handle half the available resolutions on the Radeon 9800 Pro, so I figured for the X800, I needed a new monitor).

Only two more paychecks to go!!!! Then its mine!!!

[Repo Man]

dorks.

[MinisterofDOOM]

DAMN STAIGHT!!!

[sanioll]

I just want to say DUDE:

you are either too smart in pc hardware/industry down to very technical details

OR

you have too much money to waste. its your money of course, BUT dont buy anything yet.

lemme get back to ya, this thursday night that im working. no time for hardware performance presentation for you, right now. kabish?