Don't vote for Obama because Edwards had an affair!!!!

[rn79870]

In the "staging area"?

- nice shot.

[telcoman]

John Edwards just admitted to having an affair.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ffair

So using the logic I see so frequently from the liberals on this forum, that means nobody should vote for Obama. Democrats are clearly all bad.

And the Republicians are all angels?

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki...ndals

The sex scandal list for Republicans appears to be much longer than for Democrats. Probably because the Dems have fewer sexual hangups?

Telcoman

[mcheddadi]

I wont vote, because I'm fly like that

[Marenta]

I wont vote, because I'm fly like that

Wow.. normally I don't want to choke people because of their opinions.. but that one is just all wrong.

If I were in politics.. and having an affair would gain me something politically for the government.. I suppose I would do it. But then again, I do believe that all > one.

[szh]

I wont vote, because I'm fly like that

Then, IMHO, you don't deserve to be in this forum discussing politics!

The way I see it, by not voting, you also voluntarily give up your right to praise our government for its good deeds or whine about it for its not so good deeds. Period.

Z

[stopcamping]

Then, IMHO, you don't deserve to be in this forum discussing politics!

The way I see it, by not voting, you also voluntarily give up your right to praise our government for its good deeds or whine about it for its not so good deeds. Period.

Z

you ever heard of free speech? its one of the inalienable rights that is guaranteed by the US Constitution, regardless if someone votes or not.

[rn79870]

The right to speak has nothing to do with the responsibility that comes with being a citizen. Everyone needs to be part of the political process, even if it's only by casting a vote.

Szhosain's point is well received, that is, if you're not interested enough in the process to cast a vote, why are you bothering to stop by this forum?

[stopcamping]

The right to speak has nothing to do with the responsibility that comes with being a citizen. Everyone needs to be part of the political process, even if it's only by casting a vote.

Szhosain's point is well received, that is, if you're not interested enough in the process to cast a vote, why are you bothering to stop by this forum?

Voting is not the only way one can be part of the political process, there are tons of other ways this can be achieved without voting. One can be part of the process by: affiliation with a political organization or interest group, donating money, writing/contacting political officials, attending protests or rallies (civil disobedience), working on a campaign, petitions to the government, political lobbying, boycotts. The list is pretty much endless...

However, even if a person did not do any of those things, he can still voice his support or dissent thanks to a little something called The Bill of Rights.

[Marenta]

Voting is not the only way one can be part of the political process, there are tons of other ways this can be achieved without voting. One can be part of the process by: affiliation with a political organization or interest group, donating money, writing/contacting political officials, attending protests or rallies (civil disobedience), working on a campaign, petitions to the government, political lobbying, boycotts. The list is pretty much endless...

However, even if a person did not do any of those things, he can still voice his support or dissent thanks to a little something called The Bill of Rights.

We've fought with England for a long time to get the right to vote (Once again, Taxation without Representation) and then when we set up our own government we made it so that people could vote. And, people saw it as their duty, because thousands and thousands of lives were given up for this simple little thing. The right to put down your choice on a little piece of paper or raise your hand, or say Aye or Nay.. The right to vote is a fcksing responsibility that NOBODY seems to think they should do.

If you don't want the responsibility of helping put the government in place, and keeping America the land of the free and the home of the brave; either step up and vote, don't vote and don't ever whisper another fcsking word about the government good or bad again, or get the fcsk out of my country. Those are your choices.

[srellim234]

you ever heard of free speech? its one of the inalienable rights that is guaranteed by the US Constitution, regardless if someone votes or not.

I agree that you have a right to free speech under the current U.S. Constitution whether you choose to vote or not. What you are missing by not voting is using your ability to protect that Constitution and keep it in effect.

The majority of Americans, as demonstrated by the poor turnout in elections, seems to think that certain rights can't be eroded away. Before you claim the inalienable right of free speech, you have to have a government that recognizes that. Try selling your inalienable right to free speech to the Chinese government.

If we continue to let a minority of eligible voters decide on our government every four years we may well be allowing, through our quiet blessing of "minority rule", an unscrupulous group led by a despot to gradually or quickly take away those rights you claim as "inalienable".

When you finally think things have gotten too bad, it may be too far gone for your vote to matter when you finally decide to cast it. We need to practice our oversight of the government, our Constitution and the rights provided every election cycle.

Yes, you have the right to free speech in this country whether or not you vote. But for how long?

[szh]

you ever heard of free speech? its one of the inalienable rights that is guaranteed by the US Constitution, regardless if someone votes or not.

Oh, of course! I should have been clearer. I don't object to the person's right to free speech at all!

Perhaps, it would be better for me to say: I choose not to listen to people speak their opinions on politics (good or bad) if they do not participate in the democratic process we have in the US.

We have a right to a democratic process that we tend to take for granted here in the US. That is sad!

Z

[szh]

We've fought with England for a long time to get the right to vote (Once again, Taxation without Representation) and then when we set up our own government we made it so that people could vote. And, people saw it as their duty, because thousands and thousands of lives were given up for this simple little thing. The right to put down your choice on a little piece of paper or raise your hand, or say Aye or Nay.. The right to vote is a fcksing responsibility that NOBODY seems to think they should do.

If you don't want the responsibility of helping put the government in place, and keeping America the land of the free and the home of the brave; either step up and vote, don't vote and don't ever whisper another fcsking word about the government good or bad again, or get the fcsk out of my country. Those are your choices.

As you note, the right to vote was one of the founding principles of this country. And, you have expressed my thoughts on the issue perfectly! That is exactly the point I wanted to make - thanks!

If free speech is a concern, then my other viewpoint applies: I have the right to ignore the rants or raves from anybody who does not exercise their right to vote.

Apathy is not a virtue!

Z

[szh]

I agree that you have a right to free speech under the current U.S. Constitution whether you choose to vote or not. What you are missing by not voting is using your ability to protect that Constitution and keep it in effect.

The majority of Americans, as demonstrated by the poor turnout in elections, seems to think that certain rights can't be eroded away. Before you claim the inalienable right of free speech, you have to have a government that recognizes that. Try selling your inalienable right to free speech to the Chinese government.

If we continue to let a minority of eligible voters decide on our government every four years we may well be allowing, through our quiet blessing of "minority rule", an unscrupulous group led by a despot to gradually or quickly take away those rights you claim as "inalienable".

When you finally think things have gotten too bad, it may be too far gone for your vote to matter when you finally decide to cast it. We need to practice our oversight of the government, our Constitution and the rights provided every election cycle.

Yes, you have the right to free speech in this country whether or not you vote. But for how long?

Very well said. Thanks!

The US has an open and free democratic process for the governing of the country. Yes, I recognize that it is not perfect. But, it is a heck of a lot better than many ... nay, most other countries. Yet many of us take it for granted and do not realize what could happen if that democratic process is allowed to decay through apathy.

We need to protect our rights as best as we can. As citizens, we have a right to vote. That right must not be wasted, or allowed to degrade to the point where it becomes meaningless.

Z

[Marenta]

If you don't vote, then you might as well be telling the government how to live your life for you.

1984 is an awesome book, and it's what this country and many others will look like if people don't step up and take responsibility for their choices. If you choose to not vote, well then you choose to be poor, hungry, jobless, miserable, owned, and pretty much destitute. And, you know what, you deserve to be there.

So, practice your freedom of speech. (That's what we're doing right now, anyway, isn't it?) But, know that a lot of people have died for your right to speak freely. And, by not voting, you're giving up your loudest voice.

[srellim234]

Marenta, I'm really surprised you didnt point out the military aspect of this whole conversation.

The military takes an oath not only to the Constitution but to its Commander in Chief, who happens to be the elected President of he United States. If, through our lax oversight by not voting every election cycle, we allow the laws of this country and our rights as citizens to be eroded, the military does not have the choice whether or not to follow the CinC's orders. If it's a lawful and not totally immoral order, the military will enforce it.

I've always admired the way the military "grunts" take the oath seriously enough to follow the CinC, no matter what poitical persuasion or military experience that CinC may have. A great example happened in front of me twice, two years apart, at my son's AFB. Overheard in the commissary multiple groups who detest Bush, the Republican Party and the Iraq war, but didn't waiver or stop from expressing that if ordered to Iraq by the Administration they would go and fight to the death to follow those orders. A real "disconnect" from political belief and actual action due to a sworn sense of duty.

Voting is essential to prevent the military from becoming a vehicle of political enforcement by unscrupulous politicians in a way that could damage our rights.

[themadscientist]

I find it humorous that people think they are really in control. Vote, please do, enjoy yourself but the game is fixed. The fact that your two "choices" are people you don't really agree with much, including the guy you plan on voting for should tell you something.

I Don't vote. I don't buy into the delusion I can exert any control with my one vote over a government that is opaque and can erase or create thousands of votes with a few keystrokes. Who owns those cute little touchscreen machines by the way?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10....html

Now anybody wants to get serious and burn this mofo down and start over fresh give me a call; You got one gun for the revolution baby. 1776 the sequel, get in where ya fit in.

America is locked on course for a meltdown, hold on it's going to be a wild ride.

[srellim234]

First, I'm a third party guy. If a vast majority of Americans would actually vote for someone, the two major parties couldn't claim a mandate. We've already beaten that subject to death in this forum so I'm not going to beat it any more.

Second, I refuse to use those rigged machines with bogus software. Always file a paper ballot for a paper trail. Yes, the vote counting can be rigged the same way, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

I've actually never understood the need for knowing what the vote count is 30 seconds after the polls close or the rationale for not allowing time to hand count ballots prior to inauguration. We're so wrapped up in instant gratification that we don't take the accuracy of the process seriously enough.

If the situation is really as bad as you say, where is it better, what can we do to fix our system, and if it's as hopeless as you indicate why are you still here paying it pointless lip service?

[Marenta]

I wonder what would happen if everybody had enough knowledge to make an informed decision about a candidate and then if you were of legal age to vote and could do so, you did.

I bet that would be one election for the books.

Not because it's all a repost, but because we keep on beating this same dead horse, over and over and over again.

[mcheddadi]

I won't vote because I'm not an American, HA! the jokes on YOU! lol

but I'll be watching from the country that rides your country

[themadscientist]

First, I'm a third party guy. If a vast majority of Americans would actually vote for someone, the two major parties couldn't claim a mandate. We've already beaten that subject to death in this forum so I'm not going to beat it any more.

Second, I refuse to use those rigged machines with bogus software. Always file a paper ballot for a paper trail. Yes, the vote counting can be rigged the same way, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

I've actually never understood the need for knowing what the vote count is 30 seconds after the polls close or the rationale for not allowing time to hand count ballots prior to inauguration. We're so wrapped up in instant gratification that we don't take the accuracy of the process seriously enough.

If the situation is really as bad as you say, where is it better, what can we do to fix our system, and if it's as hopeless as you indicate why are you still here paying it pointless lip service?

Then it just goes to congress to decide. You think the building full of democrats and republicans is going to vote in a 3rd party candidate?

What do you mean lip service? I pay it nothing.

[srellim234]

Then it just goes to congress to decide. You think the building full of democrats and republicans is going to vote in a 3rd party candidate?

What do you mean lip service? I pay it nothing.

Such a vote would put an awful lot of pressure on Congress to do so. I would fully expect the majority party, which would be either Republican or Democrat, to pick their own person. Without a majority of the electorate supporting him/her, compromise and cooperation would become necessary for party survival. No more "the American people have spoken and we have a mandate to shove our policies down your throat no matter what anyone else might think."

Even if you don't agree with the above, is there a solution other than the violent overthrow of the government? What would you set up or do differently to prevent it from happening again in 250 more years?

[stopcamping]

I Don't vote.

and I do not a problem with that whatsoever. I vote but I don't mind if a person doesn't want to vote but still wants to comment on the gov't; I'll still listen to the person because he might have an interesting explanation for not voting likes tms does.

how come not one of you guys who've been clamoring about how a person has to vote if he wants to say something about the gov't has scolded tms for not voting? oh wait its bc he's a mod and no one has the balls to do it lol.

[telcoman]

I can totally respect what you've said above. Anyone who forms an opinion based on the candidate's life work, and can support that opinion with reasonable explanation has my respect.

I just get sick of hearing all the McCain bashing because of people's dislike for the Bush administration, or Republicans from 10 years ago, or whatever unrelated political issue.

Base your opinions on the candidate himself and not on the party they represent or the history of said party or some obscure issue you have with them.

The Republician party doesn't seem to have a very good track record

"Examples of Republican hypocrisy on moral valuesFrom dKosopedia

Examples of Republican hypocrisy on moral values

1 Myth: Republicans value sexual morality 1.1 Specific examples, in alphabetical order 2 Sex Slavery 2.1 Bush Waives Saudi Trafficking Sanctions 2.2 Anti-Sex-Slave Trafficking Program Underfunded 3 See Also

Myth: Republicans value sexual moralitySpecific examples, in alphabetical order

The devil decries evil. Virtue is his guise To find the hidden villain Listen for the loudest voice

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Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. Daily Kos article

Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator from Puerto Rico, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article

Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist from Colorado, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article

d!ck Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.

Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [1] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[2]. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [3][4]Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [5].

Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner from Maine, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article

Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion. Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article

Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist from Maryland, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector from Virginia, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Conservative Babylon

William Bennett, Drug Czar under George H. W. Bush, compulsive gambler who has had to wire as much as $1.4 million to cover gamb|ing losses in a 2 month period. NY Press Article | Washington Monthly Article

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Sacramento Bee article

John Bolton: George W. Bush's latest Ambassador to United Nations. Corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. Raw Story Article

Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General of Georgia, prosecuted the famous "Bowers vs. Hardwick" case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair Slate article

Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Source

Jeffrey Buley (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/36931.htm), New York Republican Party's top lawyer, and senior political adviser to Gov. Pataki (R), arrested for assaulting his wife in a drunken rage. They have two young children.

Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. Source: BBC

Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. Conservative Babylon

John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist from Pensacola, Florida, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. Source: Pensacola News Journal

Dan Burton, Republican Congressman from Indiana who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. Salon.com Article

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.

Neil Bush, brother or G. W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while on an Asian business trip. (Overshadowing the sex scandal; the business scandal--see link.) Washington Post article.

John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.

Charles Canady, Congressman (R-Florida), Judiciary Committee member. Lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce.

Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). Admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.

Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman from Hawaii, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.Honolulu Star-Bulletin Article

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. Source: Newmax

Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. Wikipedia Article

Carey Lee Cramer Political consultant and anti-Kerry ad producer, tried for molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. Diary Diary. The Monitor.

Dan Crane, Republican Congressman from Illinois, married, father of six. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. Salon.com article --Bkmeyers 08:36, 3 October 2006 (PDT)On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane's case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page. wikipedia.org article

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair. Christianity Today article

Randy Cunningham: Federal prosecutors are investigating allegations that Congressman and confessed-felon 'Duke' Cunningham was periodically supplied with prositutes.[6] Cunningham pled guilty to corruption charges, and is currently serving jail-time.

Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent up to $5,000,000 on prostitutes. Missoulian Article on the trial | Missoulian Article

Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child p0rn charges. WBAL Channel article

Peter Dibble, Republican legislator from Connecticut pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. News Channel 8 Article

Brian J. Doyle, Deputy Press Secretary for U.S. Department of Homeland Security. On March 12, 2006, Doyle contacted a 14-year-old girl whose profile was posted on the Internet, and initiated a sexually explicit conversation with her. The girl was actually an undercover Polk County Sheriff s Computer Crimes detective. Doyle knew that the girl was 14 years old, and he told her who he was and that he worked for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. During future online chats, Doyle gave the undercover detective posing as a 14-year-old girl his office phone number and his government-issued cell phone number, so that they could have telephone conversations, in addition to their online chatting. Doyle used the Internet to send hard-core pornographic movie clips to the girl and used the AOL Instant Messenger chat service to have explicit sexual conversations with her. [7]

Nicholas Elizondo, Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. Halfway down this Bakersfield Californian article

Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. Dallas News Article | Atrios Article

Mark Foley, US Representative from Florida, engaged in sexually-explicit SMS text-messaging with 17-yo males, former pages. He had been chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. details He was protected by US House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. American Politics Journal Article

[[[Steven Gaines]], Pastor in a Southern Baptist Church. For a year, he kept secret the allegations that another pastor in his church had sexually abused a young family member years earlier.

Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute. Truthout Article. See also dKospedia's page on Jeff Gannon.

Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman from Pennsylvania, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot. Article with documents

Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. Review Journal Article

Newt Gingrich, Republican from Georgia, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments. Salon Article

Philip Giordano, Republican mayor from Connecticut sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office. NBC Article | Newsday Article

Matthew Glavin, President and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indecency, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him. Full Article

Marty Glickman, Republican activist, was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist from Virginia, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. Orlando Weekly article

Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. "I've made some mistakes" he said. USA Today article

Dr. W. David Hager, Bush appointee from Kentucky, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep. Article

Ted Haggart, pastor of a 3,000-member church, who preached often against homosexuality, spoke with President Bush frequently, and was held up as a pillar of "family values." Turns out he had a sexual relationship with a male prostitute, who he also paid for meth-amphetamines.

Mark Harris, Republican city councilman from Wisconsin who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Dennis Hastert protected Mark Foley for over a year, keeping private the news that Foley had engaged in sexually-explicit conversations with teenage boys.

John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate from Maine, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. Source: Casco Bay weekly

Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Schiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002. page at Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Sexual Offender/Predator Unit

Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor from Des Moines, Iowa, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. Article | Commentary Also signed an ad (that called for criminally prosecuting business that sell p0rn), together with another pastor who was repeatedly busted for public masturbatlon.

Neal Horsley, anti-abortion activist from Georgia. Has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules. Put photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses. Drug dealer convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell. He calls for "the establishment of a new government, one that can obey God's plan for government."

Henry Hyde, Republican Congressman from Illinois, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. Salon.com article

Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut". The full gruesome story, with many newspaper articles.

Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.

Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. Source: The Olympian Article

Bill Janklow, former S. Dakota Governor and Congressman, arrested for drunk driving, disorderly conduct, assaulting an officer, and indecent exposure in 1974. Pardoned his son-in-law for multiple drunk driving convictions in 2002. Resigned congressional seat due to a felony manslaughter conviction in a reckless driving incident (running a stop sign at 70 mph)in 2003 that resulted in the death of farmer, Vietnam veteran, and motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minnesota. Janklow served 100 days of a possible 11-year sentence. Janklow sought and received immunity from civil damages on the grounds that he was traveling on business related to his role as a congressman when the killing of Scott occurred. Janklow also petitioned to get back (and was granted) his license to practice law in the state of South Dakota. Link from American Motorcyclist Association webpage - [8]

Bernard Kerik, had two simultaneous adulterous affairs.

Earl Kimmerling, from Indiana, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. Anderson, IN, Mayor Mark Lawler and Republican State Reps. Jack Lutz of Anderson, IN, and Woody Burton of Greenwood, IN, supported him.Source

Randy Steven Kraft Republican serial killer convicted of 16 murders and suspected of at least 51 others. [9] I. Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President d!ck Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizarre sexual content, including bestiality and pedophilia.Full Details (Oh yeah, and he's also been indicted on obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements, charges adding up to 10 years in prison.)

Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee[10], 30-pill a day drug addict. Goodies from The Smoking Gun.com

Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.), Speaker of the House; resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery -- at the same time he was leading calls for impeachment of President Clinton.

Donald Lukens, Former Ohio Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. Also convicted of taking $15,000 in bribes from the operators of a trade school while he was a congressman. A U.S. District Court jury in Washington deliberated for just one hour before reaching the verdict. Time Article

Pat McPherson, Douglas County, Nebraska Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. Article

Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. Source: ABC News

Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.” [11] [12]

Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist from Cape May County, NJ, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor The Dallas Morning News article.

Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.

Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer. The suit included graphic details, including tape-recordings. O'Reilly's wife was pregnant at the time. O'Reilly settled and paid millions of dollars rather than have the details become public.

Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.

Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman from Sparta, NJ, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Daily Record News Article

Brent Parker Utah State Representative. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. KSL News Article |Deseret News Article

John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.

Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge from Monroe County, PA, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Pocono Record article

John Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."

Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.

Dennis Rader AKA the Bind Torture Killer or BTK killed ten people to satisfy his sexual urges. He was also a leading local Republican.[13]

Ronald Reagan First president to be divorced (from a woman who had been married two or three times before him - the record is unclear, none of which seems to bother the religious right).

George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of Hillsdale College in Michigan, which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."

Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition as well as a member of the South Carolina Republican Party’s executive committee, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. Herald-Journal Article |Commentary on Newsweek Article

Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wife, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.[14]

Rick Santorum, used $100,000 of PA state funds earmarked for that state's school children to educate his own children, who were not residents of Pennsylvania. source (http://www.postgazette.com/pg/04323/413787.stm)

Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman from Pensacola, Florida, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in Florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

Ed Schrock, two-term Republican Congressman from Virginia, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, but estranged from her mother; opposes birth control, but has had her tubes tied; espouses saving oneself for marriage, but admits to having had sex before she was married; opposes adultery, but has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man; opposes divorce, but is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.

Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado State Representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Rocky Mountain News article With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, p0rn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). Wikipedia article

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28. Numerous allegations of gropings, harassment, in California.

John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his pen15 that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. Wikipedia article

Don Sherwood, The former Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives representing the 10th Congressional District of Pennsylvania. Eventually admitted to an affair with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. Post-Gazette Article

Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant and former head of the South Bay, CA, Republican Club, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. Los Angeles Times Article

Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman from Wrightsville, PA, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Sex Offender Registry page | Article

Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit against Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. Article

Roger Stone, Republican dirty-tricks operative, led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount; advisor for Bob Dole and Arlen Specter's Presidential campaigns, owner of Washington, D.C.-based Ikon Public Affairs. Place X-rated ads for group sex with his wife, Nydia. Claimed he was framed, even though the ads were placed with his credit card and used his P.O. Box. [15]

Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.

David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner from Ohio, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Rocky Mountain News Article

Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.

Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.

Strom Thurmond, Now dead Republican Senator from South Carolina and racist, impregnated a 15-year old African American maid. (BBC Article)

Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Virginian-Pilot Article

Robert Waltrip, Bush campaign contributor. Runs a funeral company which had to settle a lawsuit because bodies were being dug up and dumped in the woods. According to Fox News, Waltrip's company, a cemetery company called Service Corporation International (also known as Dignity Memorial) was "recycling" graves, removing the bodies that were there originally and throwing them in the woods to use the space to house new customers at two Jewish cemeteries in Florida. George W. Bush, who had met with Waltrip, was subpoenaed but refused to testify in the case.

J.C. Watts, Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.

Jim West, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.Source: Spokesman Review

Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). Tennessean Article

Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy in West Chester, PA, for permission to perform oral sex on him. Daily Pennsylvanian article | Daily Yale News Article

Paul Williams, pastor in a large Southern Baptist Church, resigned suddenly amid allegations that he had sexually abused a young family member 17 years ago. He was protected for a year from these allegations being made public by the Church Pastor, Dr. Steven Gaines.

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Anti-Sex-Slave Trafficking Program UnderfundedA new report issued by Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, "Sex Trafficking of Women in the United States: International and Domestic Trends," shows the 50,000 women and children trafficked each year into the United States, as estimated by the US government, is not based on systematic research into contemporary trafficking. The Coalition's investigation went into both international and domestic trafficking of women for sex in the United States based on primary research with victims.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services program Rescue & Restore Victims of Human Trafficking, is underfunded:

"We've just begun to scratch the surface," said Steve Wagner, director of the Health and Human Services human trafficking program, which is spearheading the Rescue & Restore effort. "Every minute, a human being is bought, sold or forced into human slavery." (Source: Newsday.com)

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I'm still digging around for the truth on McCain. He was married once before and he may also have some skeletons in the closet with respect to his first wife?

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

Is telcoman a human being or a bot?

I guess I'd cut and paste too, if I hadn't had an original thought since the Nixon Administration.

[rn79870]

I won't vote because I'm not an American, HA! the jokes on YOU! lol

but I'll be watching from the country that rides your country

You mean you don't vote for the King of Canada?

[Marenta]

how come not one of you guys who've been clamoring about how a person has to vote if he wants to say something about the gov't has scolded tms for not voting? oh wait its bc he's a mod and no one has the balls to do it lol.

Actually, I don't have the physical requirements to do so, but I have the mental and intestinal fortitude to do so. The only issue would be to actually threaten to take away something that means a great deal.. like copulation.. in exchange for a vote. I'm sure if that were taken away from me, I'd vote for Armageddon even. But, I've always been a black sheep. Baaaaa!

[telcoman]

Is telcoman a human being or a bot?

I guess I'd cut and paste too, if I hadn't had an original thought since the Nixon Administration.

I guess the truth hurts doesn't it.

[AZhitman]

I guess the truth hurts doesn't it.

It must.

I have some Extre-Strength Tylenol I can FedEx you if it gets too painful.

[themadscientist]

Such a vote would put an awful lot of pressure on Congress to do so. I would fully expect the majority party, which would be either Republican or Democrat, to pick their own person. Without a majority of the electorate supporting him/her, compromise and cooperation would become necessary for party survival. No more "the American people have spoken and we have a mandate to shove our policies down your throat no matter what anyone else might think."

Even if you don't agree with the above, is there a solution other than the violent overthrow of the government? What would you set up or do differently to prevent it from happening again in 250 more years?

Because congress responds to pressure from us The American people have the attention span of a ferret on coke and the politicians know that. We don't scare them. The average Americans outrage and righteous indignation will last until dinner time when American Idol comes on the idiot box.

There is nothing to prevent it from happening again. That is the fundamental problem. Every machine wears out, develops faults and eventually breaks down. When that happens what do you do? Overhaul or replace it. I am no wolrd history geek but I beleive America has lasted as long or longer than most great empires. All of them began to fester with corruption and complacency why do people think the great experiment that is America would be immune from the natural order of things?

When a cancer has matasticized do they go after ech little lump peicemeal? No. Corruption is standard operating procedure in today's government. A cute little election every four years is just public spectical to entertain the troglodytes; keep them thinking they are in control.

Violent upheaval is the only answer. And to the NSA geek reading this thread now that my statements have caused it to be tagged, go **** yourself you cog, we are coming for you too.