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From The Sunday Times
April 25, 2010

Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

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THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.

The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries.

Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.

“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals — the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.

One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.

Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.

He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”

He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”

The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming.

John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: “He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that’s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.”

Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.

So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.

Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.

Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.

Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding.

“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”

Stephen Hawking's Universe begins on the Discovery Channel on Sunday May 9 at 9pm

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/s ... 107207.ece


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I've been looking forward to this show. If discovery dumbs it down I'm going to be very mad. Hawking is the f**king MAN.

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I'm not quite so sure I like the tone the author takes in the article...

Everything Hawking has said is very plausible... to dismiss him would be foolish.

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I hope they dumb it down. The last science thing I watched was about string theory. That s*** hurt my brain.

I would have to agree that there are probably aliens out there. Look at how big space is. Why would we be the only ones in it. Contact them? No thanks, then I'd have to learn a new language, new diseases could be introduced, prejudices, all sorts of issues.

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AZhitman wrote:I'm not quite so sure I like the tone the author takes in the article...

Everything Hawking has said is very plausible... to dismiss him would be foolish.
Hawking is the smartest man alive. The author is a fricking English journalist. I don't really need to say any more. Oh, and guess whose name people will still remember in 100 years. Hint: Not Jonathan Leake.

Really, it's silly NOT to expect that alien life will be beyond our comprehension. The expectation that they'll have two legs, two arms, two eyes, etc. is amazingly narrow-minded. Humanoid carbon-based lifeforms are just one of countless possibilities.

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I agree with MoD. It would be silly to think we're alone in the whole known universe.
it is just a matter of time before we make contact with other carbon-based lifeforms.
I just hope it happens within my lifetime.

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december 21, 2012. I personally beleive aliens have come and gone already, and visited the Myans and other historical parts of the world

Why?

-Egyptian Pyramids. Yes I know we all think they were built from slavery but those rocks way a TON.
-Planes of Nazareth - Impossible for any ancient civilization to create, you need help from the air
-Myan Temples - Look like Egyptian Pyramids, and they never communicated with another
- UFO Sightings - most of them are false, but I believe a few may be true
-Crystal skulls - for those that saw Indiana Jones Crystal Skulls, well the skulls are real. They exist, as well with the same properties.

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naladude911 wrote:-Egyptian Pyramids. Yes I know we all think they were built from slavery but those rocks way a TON.
-Planes of Nazareth - Impossible for any ancient civilization to create, you need help from the air
-Myan Temples - Look like Egyptian Pyramids, and they never communicated with another
- UFO Sightings - most of them are false, but I believe a few may be true
-Crystal skulls - for those that saw Indiana Jones Crystal Skulls, well the skulls are real. They exist, as well with the same
1: Tools.
2: It most certainly does not require help from the air. Being visible from above and needing to be designed from above are two different things. Likely reasons for their design are that they either just effing felt like it. It takes a lot of ASSumption to connect overhead visibility with "only aliens could have guided this creation!"
3: The basic principles of engineering hold true regardless of which continent you're on. Pyramids were widespread because they're the most basic of structural forms. This is something most 7-year-olds understand.
4: Anything you can't identify that is flying is a UFO. None of them are aliens. Most people couldn't tell a Cessna from an F35 and hardly anyone knows every single aircraft our (and other) governments have in use. The word of average clueless Joe is worth absolutely nothing. Especially since he probably doesn't even understand how aircraft fly in the first place, and is therefor not mentally equipped to evaluate flight behavior (as so many of them seem determined to do).
5: Mythologies often arise around valuable/rare artifacts. Many artifacts are created with this specific purpose in mind. More ASSumption. Linking one to the other with no evidence is proof of nothing.

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93coupe wrote:prejudices
idk about you, but i'd welcome giant chickens that piss purple drank :yesnod

aliens exist. period. what we have here on earth isn't a fluke. we just had the ideal conditions in order for life to occur, given the expanse of the universe and the confirmation that other solar systems exist, that ideal situation occurred countless times. to believe otherwise is foolish and ignorant. was earth visited before? who knows, but there's too much evidence to say that they didn't interact with early civilizations.

i just watched pandora for the first time last night. if we get visited, it'll go down independence day style (although i'd prefer mars attacks style, much more amusing), otherwise we'll be out looking for another planet to rape after we're done raping this one. more than likely, we'll experience an irobot/terminator/matrix thing first.

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those skulls are just deformities and different species. you'd be surprised to see some of the weird looking things that come out of human beings :P

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d!ck wrote:you'd be surprised to see some of the weird looking things that come out of human beings :P
no i wouldn't. not after seeing this

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d!ck wrote:you'd be surprised to see some of the weird looking things that come out of human beings :P
no i wouldn't. not after seeing this

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what the hell is that thing? k so alien do exist!!!!!!!! alienala..........gross

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naladude911 wrote:december 21, 2012. I personally believe aliens have come and gone already, and visited the Myans and other historical parts of the world
Why?

-Egyptian Pyramids. Yes I know we all think they were built from slavery but those rocks way a TON.
-Myan Temples - Look like Egyptian Pyramids, and they never communicated with another
- UFO Sightings - most of them are false, but I believe a few may be true
Stone Henge was built approximately 100 years before pyramids and the blocks are much heavier (25 tons) than the Egyptian stones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs

Maybe based on construction standards of the time, the largest buildings that could be built had to be a pyramid shape?

UFOs? This is pretty much where I stand (first 5 minutes)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

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AZhitman wrote:I'm not quite so sure I like the tone the author takes in the article...

Everything Hawking has said is very plausible... to dismiss him would be foolish.
this. as a math/science oriented thinker, it is absolutely ridiculous to think aliens dont exist. and I got about 3 paragraphs into that article and stopped reading. that authors condescending tone just drove me crazy, you dont try to demean the smartest man int he world with sarcastic undertones. fakn douche bag.

also, i could totally agree with his theory, although it is hard to really put that into practice consider our curious nature as humans. but the discovery of a race, so much more advanced than us that they found US first in the cosmic race, must beg questions like "what do they want" and "will they destroy us" ... his analogy to Columbus was kind of mind blowing to me. never thought of it like that before. but its so, so true.

and LOL @ MoD pwning nala, yet again. :lolling:

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It honestly should really even take Hawking to tell us this. We haven't even been able to figure out where or if the universe ends... With something so insanely massive its pretty conceded to think we are the only ones special enough to exist.

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there was an episode that came on I want to last sunday. It was awesome, he talked about his theory on aliens and time travel. All I can say is "Whens the next episode"

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next sunday?

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May 02, 9:00 pm
(120 minutes)


Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking
The Story of Everything
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The world's most famous living scientist presents the wonders of the universe, revealing the splendor and majesty of the cosmos as never seen before. See how the universe began, how it creates stars, black holes and life -- and how everything will end.

THE STORY OF EVERYTHING: Premieres Sunday May 2 @ 9 E/P
In two mind-blowing hours, Hawking reveals the wonders of the cosmos to a new generation. Delve into the mind of the world's most famous living scientist and reveal the splendor and majesty of the universe as never seen before. See how the universe began, how it creates stars, black holes and life — and how everything will end.

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I hope I get to touch an alien in it's naughty zone. A set of my friend's cousins just came over the boarder. I see potential among them... :evilhaha

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A lot of things have to happen just right for one space-faring civilization to make any sort of contact with another one. I'm saying space-faring because anything else would be pointless, though interesting.

First...a universe has to be present and stable that allows for living creatures. This may sound simple but it's not. All our laws, all that we know about today was decided during that planck-time after the big-bang. If the energy released at that moment had expanded differently, we would not have the Newtonian Universe we live in. Things like how many protons are in Hydrogen or how electrons are transferred between atoms would be entirely different...making life impossible in the first place. In fact there are only a couple types of universes life would be able to evolve in. All the other possibilities involve a collapsing universe, really wierd physical laws, no universe at all, or other variables. SO the fact that we live in a "stable" expanding universe where hydrogen is the lightest element and is the most abundant element is a miracle in itself.
But this first point is irrelavent because obviously...we are here...or at least I think we are.

Second... these two species must meet at exactly the right moment. This is assuming that civilization, by nature, is doomed to fail eventually. This gives a limited window for a species to expand throughout the universe and make contact with a species able to recieve them in any meaningful way. It may be that civilization lasts for 50,000 years or it burns out before that. Considering that modern humans are only 20,000 or so years old and that stable planets have been here for billions of years... the chances of another species matching our own evolutionary and technological progress pretty much perfectly is minute.

Third... there has to be two species. The fact that we evolved to what we are is beyond comprehension...but two species? It's a miracle we haven't been destroyed several times over.

Those are the main ones. Other miscellaeneous variables include things like being able to communicate with each other.

Now, I know the universe is infinite...but that also means that space between two civilizations could also be infinite. I'm just saying that I'm not getting my hopes up of meeting anything from outerspace. Even if we end up developing FTL ships or worm-hole technology and colonize our galaxy...hell say we make it to a few others... We will probably never find a trace of any intelligent life.
Or...we find a world just like ours a couple light years away with a race of intelligent bipedal beings with their eyes on the stars looking for a race just like them. More than likely, though, the two civilizations mentioned above will grow and die without ever knowing the other existed.
Who knows? Not to be a debby downer...but the cards are stacked HEAVILY against us.

Ack long post.

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ScorchedNX2K wrote:A lot of things have to happen just right for one space-faring civilization to make any sort of contact with another one. I'm saying space-faring because anything else would be pointless, though interesting.

First...a universe has to be present and stable that allows for living creatures. This may sound simple but it's not. All our laws, all that we know about today was decided during that planck-time after the big-bang. If the energy released at that moment had expanded differently, we would not have the Newtonian Universe we live in. Things like how many protons are in Hydrogen or how electrons are transferred between atoms would be entirely different...making life impossible in the first place. In fact there are only a couple types of universes life would be able to evolve in. All the other possibilities involve a collapsing universe, really wierd physical laws, no universe at all, or other variables. SO the fact that we live in a "stable" expanding universe where hydrogen is the lightest element and is the most abundant element is a miracle in itself.
But this first point is irrelavent because obviously...we are here...or at least I think we are.

Second... these two species must meet at exactly the right moment. This is assuming that civilization, by nature, is doomed to fail eventually. This gives a limited window for a species to expand throughout the universe and make contact with a species able to recieve them in any meaningful way. It may be that civilization lasts for 50,000 years or it burns out before that. Considering that modern humans are only 20,000 or so years old and that stable planets have been here for billions of years... the chances of another species matching our own evolutionary and technological progress pretty much perfectly is minute.

Third... there has to be two species. The fact that we evolved to what we are is beyond comprehension...but two species? It's a miracle we haven't been destroyed several times over.

Those are the main ones. Other miscellaeneous variables include things like being able to communicate with each other.

Now, I know the universe is infinite...but that also means that space between two civilizations could also be infinite. I'm just saying that I'm not getting my hopes up of meeting anything from outerspace. Even if we end up developing FTL ships or worm-hole technology and colonize our galaxy...hell say we make it to a few others... We will probably never find a trace of any intelligent life.
Or...we find a world just like ours a couple light years away with a race of intelligent bipedal beings with their eyes on the stars looking for a race just like them. More than likely, though, the two civilizations mentioned above will grow and die without ever knowing the other existed.
Who knows? Not to be a debby downer...but the cards are stacked HEAVILY against us.

Ack long post.
Agreed.

Also, If I am to bring to y'alls attention... How would our species react to the arrival of a new species that is as intelligent (or greater) as us?

Rejoice? No.
Show them great hospitality? Hardly.

There are so many repercussions of an alien arrival that will change the world as we know it. I can already think of one... There would be one HELL of a religious conspiracy...

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ScorchedNX2K wrote:Things like how many protons are in Hydrogen or how electrons are transferred between atoms would be entirely different...making life impossible in the first place. In fact there are only a couple types of universes life would be able to evolve in.
How do we know that other life is dependent on things like this though?

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Life as we know it...read, carbon based, relies on a set of laws to develop. I didn't give a better example but it may be possible for organisms to live in a universe where Oxygen is the lightest element yes...but I'm talking about fundamental things for a universe to exist and be stable in the first place...if some of the fine-tuned details of our universe were violated, that would rule out complex structures of any kind — stars, planets, galaxies, and therefore life.If stuff like the speed of light, electron charge, and Atomic mass were altered... there would be no universe as we know it.

But again, life as we know it...there could be some wacky way for a nebula of hydrogen and argon to develop intelligence, grow, and reproduce...
It's called Anthropic Principle...for our purposes it states that only universes whose properties are such as to allow observers to exist are observed, while a possibly much larger set of universes lacking such properties go unnoticed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

I'm not shooting down the theory of Extra-terrestrial life at all...In fact I hope that we one day cross paths with a mostly-peaceful, not too-advanced alien race. But the chances of that are so astronomically low in the first place as to rule out any sort of hope in that area.
And again...this is just going on what we as a human species know about the universe...there could be some pan-dimensional race of energy balls observing us at this very moment....

If we do actually meet a space-faring race with technology equal to ours...it'd probably turn into a war. Lack of communication channels...ignorance of the other race's capabilities...leads to an environment of fear. This is assuming the aliens don't show up in giant fuzzy pink bunny ships powered by rainbows. I mean just look at our own history. Every single instance of colonization has resulted in bloodshed...if not genocide. Granted the situation would be a little different...and the two ships that meet will likely be research vessels of some kind. But once we find out that there are other things out there with the ability to bore a laser through a moon from 15 light years away...there would be one hell of an arms race.

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ScorchedNX2K wrote:Life as we know it...
Exactly, and considering the fact that we don't know the potential life in question everything following this statement is pretty much worthless.
Any presumption that we really know what is going on boils down to little more then vanity and ignorance. Our understanding of everything around us is continually proven wrong, I doubt we have it completely right this time.

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ScorchedNX2K wrote:But the chances of that are so astronomically low in the first place as to rule out any sort of hope in that area.
The Universe is bigger than the odds are small. Which means it's essentially GUARANTEED that life exists somewhere else. Somewhere out there there MUST BE, mathematically, another world with the right conditions. The universe is vastly, vastly, massively, incomprehensibly huge.

Anyway, you're the only one suggesting life has to be carbon-based and oxygen-breathing. The rest of us are stating the opposite. So you're arguing with a wall. Life as we know it is irrelevant. Life is out there somewhere. What IT IS is what matters.

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ScorchedNX2K wrote:But the chances of that are so astronomically low in the first place as to rule out any sort of hope in that area.
The Universe is bigger than the odds are small. Which means it's essentially GUARANTEED that life exists somewhere else. Somewhere out there there MUST BE, mathematically, another world with the right conditions. The universe is vastly, vastly, massively, incomprehensibly huge.

Anyway, you're the only one suggesting life has to be carbon-based and oxygen-breathing. The rest of us are stating the opposite. So you're arguing with a wall. Life as we know it is irrelevant. Life is out there somewhere. What IT IS is what matters.
When did I say that life can't exist? Short of monkeys and dolphins developing culture and technology, we will probably never see another INTELLIGENT life form. Because frankly, that's what everyone is looking for...they aren't (Most of us) praying we find a hardy species of bacteria on Titan.
I'm just speculating like everyone else. Difference is my speculation has at least some basis in scientific fact. Silicon or other types of life don't even have a working theory on how they could possibly come about in THIS universe. Carbon is the only element that's able to bind sufficiently with other elements to pass biological information. Silicon can almost do that, but that's the only one. To state that it could be possible is wild speculation. It has, however, been shown that large clouds of dust, as in a nebula, could aquire the ability to grow, evolve, and possibly "think"... When did I say an organism has to breathe oxygen?

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When did I say an organism has to breathe oxygen?
"Life as we know it" breathes oxygen. I inferred, perhaps incorrectly. I came across a little more hostile than I intended. As I said, we're not arguing with each other; our viewpoints are not contradictory. Just thought it was worth mentioning that over-narrowing your view of "life" doesn't change the possibilities. What you're looking for and what actually exists don't have to be the same for you to find something. :)
ScorchedNX2K wrote:Because frankly, that's what everyone is looking for...they aren't (Most of us) praying we find a hardy species of bacteria on Titan.
The general public might not be hoping for that, but I'd say most scientists (and nerds) are indeed hoping for exactly that. Actual life of ANY kind would be a monumental discovery. It would have meaning beyond the life itself. The desire is not for an intelligent encounter, but rather for what the confirmed existence of life in other places means about the Universe as a whole.

I do agree with you that it's not likely we'll encounter intelligent life from other worlds unless we continue to live for billions of years. But when you weigh the length of time (probably about 4 billion years) it took life on earth to reach the point we're at now (notably NOT a spacefaring species) versus the generally accepted theoretical age of the universe (about 14 billion years) and the amount of that history that would have supported fully-formed ("settled" and consistent) star systems, the amount of leeway is pretty narrow. Other species would have to have gotten even more "lucky" than we did. It is possible, but not particularly likely. For some scope, though, consider that, geologically (earth-specific, of course), mammals are a very recent development and humans even more recent. What if an earlier species had managed to take the advanced path we did...earth might have had intelligent, spacefaring inhabitants tens or even hundreds of millions of years ago. There IS enough "leeway" in the history of universal formation for spacefaring races to have arisen. But it doesn't seem likely that any of them would be anywhere near enough that we might encounter them...at least until we're able to leave our own tiny corner of our own tiny galaxy in ITS own tiny corner of the universe.

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krimsonviper wrote:I hope I get to touch an alien in it's naughty zone. A set of my friend's cousins just came over the boarder. I see potential among them... :evilhaha
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