Dodge Is Cheating Somehow!!!

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

at least the neon set a new standard for sport compact car (in terms od speed). Hopefully cmpanies will be shamed of their new sports cars when they get smoked by a neon (that will hopefully raise the bar for affordable sport cars)

RSX's aren't reliable? Thats news to me.

Post by **deesolballs** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

s14=pimpin' wrote:RSX's aren't reliable? Thats news to me.

Everything is news to you aside from the after taste of a sweaty ball sack.

I like Acuras in general but the RSX is a toy. A guy I work with bought one for his daughter and we tossed it around before he turned it over to her. It is sooo small and anemically powered. Bland POS. But I am spoiled by the Q.

Gotta give Dodge credit for not giving up, they aren't competitiors in the luxury arena or SUV arena and they are loosing their grasp on the minvan arena. They are firm on creating a concept vehicle and actually building and producing it though. Hell, I like that Magnum wagon they are considering

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

LOVE the Magnum.

BTW, I never said RSX's weren't reliable - Re-read my post. Fools are out there acting like F&F was for real and they're not even letting the engine "break in" properly. No maintenance + retarded driver + consistent abuse = dead car. That's all. Can't argue with the numbers, and right now Acura is losing their a$$ on the RSX engine/transmission replacements.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

AZhitman wrote:LOVE the Magnum.

BTW, I never said RSX's weren't reliable - Re-read my post. Fools are out there acting like F&F was for real and they're not even letting the engine "break in" properly. No maintenance + retarded driver + consistent abuse = dead car. That's all. Can't argue with the numbers, and right now Acura is losing their a$$ on the RSX engine/transmission replacements.

Yeah, Nissan is claiming the same garbage about Spec V's. In reality, the QR motor is junk, they just are afraid to admit it.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

i would consider an RSX if it had some damn torqe, but as far as the neon, no way, not saying i wouldnt test drive one tho!!< and then leave and never come back, i want to see a faster nissan, bring the 240 back as possible something else, but a nice TUBOD!! 4cyl RWD car would do nissan well, withougt being over 23k or so tho

Post by **Bubba1** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

I know a guy who brings an slight modded RSX to the track. Very quick tossable car. Yes he has to wind it up to keep up with the S-4's and M3's, but that's half the fun. Dees is right about Chrysler. They have some great designs, the Crossfire looks pretty nice too. It's a shame they build them so damn cheaply.

Post by **skydragoness** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

yeah. honda's need torque. honda was never good about that. plus they're understeering monsters from hell. without swaybars that is. i'm so mean and cranky right now. need sleep!! :evilhaha

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

actually we raced a Type R against technoman's KA a few weeks ago, and the Type R had more 'low end' than the KA but the 240 took him at the top of 3rd gear. Same story was played out in my KA S13 VS my brother's GSR. The honda's will kill us out of the hole and then we get it back in the top end. Very strange, but I've seen it happen several times.

Paul

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

i dont put down honda, i like all of hte type Rs, however i wouldnt own a big hatchback like a civic type r, but NONE of em have substantial torque, unless u wanna spend 100k on a friggin NSX, and for that matter, just spend the same amount and import a skyline, but anyway, yea, props to dodge, but i wanna see nissan do better, maybe get a car with about 200at the wheels, and do it reliably, and with an alrady turbod engine, or one that can be turbod

Post by **skydragoness** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

nlzmo400r wrote:i dont put down honda, i like all of hte type Rs, however i wouldnt own a big hatchback like a civic type r, but NONE of em have substantial torque, unless u wanna spend 100k on a friggin NSX, and for that matter, just spend the same amount and import a skyline, but anyway, yea, props to dodge, but i wanna see nissan do better, maybe get a car with about 200at the wheels, and do it reliably, and with an alrady turbod engine, or one that can be turbod

agreed. but Nissan *is* still in the process of getting back on its feet again. and the 350z was a welcome suprise to me at least. i'm sure Nissan will keep going. but sports cars are always a risky venture. they never sell high , at least not in the US. (for reasons that are apparent. but i digress)

if anything. Nissan needs to retry the Sentra SE-R specV. for all the reasons and threads that EZcheese has posted. not to mention it's a tubby friggin sedan.

and while Dodge may have had the concept and pushed it to production. look at the end product. oh well. :rolleyes i don't think people would've been pissed if they made it a few grand more just so it could be better in the long-run. if the long-run exists that is. oh hell. :oface

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

yea, hte spec v is awesome, but kinda misses the bar somewhat, its hard to pinpoint, one dislike SCC had, and they explained it by saying 'it looks like the handling guys and ride quality guys got in a brawl and everbody lost', test times are so inconsistant, i think it needs to be ATLEAST a 15flat car-STOCK, im sure its not unattainable, nissan just needs to kick it up a step, when nissan was trying to come 'bak', they introduced the altima, which in my opinion, absolutely saved their asses, and now they're progressing, give em time fellas, give em time

Post by **yashin** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

is it the neon fast, hell yeah!!! but i wouldn't trust that car at all, i actually have to give respect (which is something i don't usually give to american car companies) to chrysler for trying something new,

besides the GTI there is no other sport compact that comes with a turbo, yes there is the mazdaspeed protege, but there are so few that it's barely worth counting

the car is very fast but i wouldn't trust that engine, i've been told that it makes those huge HP numbers at 15 psi, that is freakin high!!! and this coming from a company that has very little experience with turboing engines

sure you will probably lose to a SRT-4 in a race, but take satisfaction in the knowledge that the car will probably spend the next 2 weeks in the repair shop

the only good thing is that maybe the nissan, or toyota will start to get serious about their cars, maybe bring back the 240? or how about a turbo celica?

Post by **skydragoness** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

well yes, yashin. most of us are on the same page here with our opinions. unfortunately i can't see it happening it anytime soon. and did anybody see the concept for the MK5 Supra?? it's atrocious!

Post by **yashin** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

no, haven't seen the concept for the new supra, do you know a link, all i heard was that it was going to based on the old toyota 2000gt, have a 5.0 lt engine with VVTL-ipost pics if u have them, please and thanks

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

actually chrysler does have a pretty extensive knowledge about turboing cars, turbos have been put in cars for years (sure maybe not as advanced as today), but i think chrysler has turbod more cars than any other car company ever, and, yea they tend to blow up

, and yea the GTI and SRT-4 have turbos, but the mini cooper S has a supercharger, and is darn quick

Post by **Bubba1** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

I'd buy a Mini-Cooper S long before a Neon SRT-4, no brainer. But then again there aren't many new American cars I'd like to own, except perhaps a Z06 or a Viper. (and I'm not that thrilled with the new Viper's S2000 on steroids look).

Post by **MaineExport** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

nlzmo400r wrote:actually chrysler does have a pretty extensive knowledge about turboing cars, turbos have been put in cars for years (sure maybe not as advanced as today), but i think chrysler has turbod more cars than any other car company ever,

I'm trying to think af all the turbo Chrysler products I can... where's 4cefed when you nee him?

Daytona Shelby Charger 2.2Shadow, Lebaron (well.. let's just say they turbo'd a few K-cars)

What else am I missing?

Yeah... that constitutes a "history" but not exactly an extensive one. Perhaps more so than most domestic automakers... but a far cry from the European and Jap companies.

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

mini cooper S was actually voted #1 the car you must drive before you die, by British columnist. Second was the McLaren supercar, and third was dees' mum.

I think the rx-8 will set the bar for new sport models out of Japan, but it seems as if the Japanese are tossing their turbo's for NA configurations, and domestics doing the opposite. Can't really blame mazda, after looking at the numbers from the FD turbo problems.

If people only realised turbo motors are higher maintenace than NA motors (why don't all turbo cars come with a turbo timer STOCK?) then the motors may last longer (even in dodge's case). Until then, people will continue buying cars with blankets over their heads.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

s14=pimpin' wrote:mini cooper S was actually voted #1 the car you must drive before you die, by British columnist. Second was the McLaren supercar, and third was dees' mum.

I think the rx-8 will set the bar for new sport models out of Japan, but it seems as if the Japanese are tossing their turbo's for NA configurations, and domestics doing the opposite. Can't really blame mazda, after looking at the numbers from the FD turbo problems.

If people only realised turbo motors are higher maintenace than NA motors (why don't all turbo cars come with a turbo timer STOCK?) then the motors may last longer (even in dodge's case). Until then, people will continue buying cars with blankets over their heads.

the MINI beat the MCLAREN F1,geez, had to be a brit, thats just dumb, there is NO WAY, id rather drive a MINI than a damn mclaren, hell, id rather drive a freckin zo6 than a mini, much less a mclaren, just dumb

Post by **Sygerwulf** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

Yeah my first car was a Shadow with a turbo, thing was surprisingly fast and fun as hell...that is until it exploded lol.

I'm going to continue to believe that Nissan is secretly hiding something from the public, that they're going to release(or re-release) a car that's going to blow everyone away. I mean does anyone else get that feeling with them releasing so many new vehicles or suped-up remakes of the current models? I just expect Nissan to be like one day "oh yeah, and we're releasing THIS" and everyone's jaws drop.....well. I can hope, can't I???? lol

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

im right there with u man, everyone is talking about how good the wrx and focus RS and such are, well nissans gonna bring back something damn cool!!

Post by **skydragoness** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

i like how Scooby made Mitsu's jaw drop with the introduction of the Sti. that's just funny as hell.

and yeah, Syger, i think Nissan is planning something too. very top secret. mwahaha

also nlzmo400r, i was thinking. aren't just about all Saab's turboed? i mean. come on!

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

yea they are, but they are a lil out of the price range of 20k, they are more top end cars, i think the sportiest model they have is near 40k

Post by **theTony** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

I would not mind driving one of these new Neons to schec it out. If it were me thought, I think I would raterh come up with a way to drop some more $$$ down and get an STi or an Evo. (If I were going non-Nissan) That is a helluva price though. I think it was repo that said this too: I would also like to see how these hold up in the long run. That's going to be interesting to see.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

TonyVQ wrote:I would not mind driving one of these new Neons to schec it out. If it were me thought, I think I would raterh come up with a way to drop some more $$$ down and get an STi or an Evo. (If I were going non-Nissan) That is a helluva price though. I think it was repo that said this too: I would also like to see how these hold up in the long run. That's going to be interesting to see.

yea, IF 'i were to go non-nissan', same here, thats why i find it hard to believe that dodge built that quick of a car and built it RIGHT for only 20k, and if they did, they cheated!!

Post by **jhoward** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

I agree with Former_240_s14. They are very unreliable. Most that I have seen have had some kind of problem before they hit 100k miles. Plus this car is made only to look different and run fast. The thing is an experiment. It has no soul.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

Yeah, Neon's suck, they blow headgaskets *almost* as quickly as spec V's. Urgh....just still venting my frustration with Nissan.

Post by **Simmsled** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

Nissan should take their Japanese Bluebird Sylphy 4wd system that is paired with the SR20DE that they still produce, turbo it, and then make it a 2 door, call it something like the "SX" or reincarnate the "Pulsar" name and price it just above the Spec V at 20k and fully loaded at like 24, just under the entry 350Z. There... i figured it all out. Lets call Nissan. :ylsuper

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

Simmsled wrote:Nissan should take their Japanese Bluebird Sylphy 4wd system that is paired with the SR20DE that they still produce, turbo it, and then make it a 2 door, call it something like the "SX" or reincarnate the "Pulsar" name and price it just above the Spec V at 20k and fully loaded at like 24, just under the entry 350Z. There... i figured it all out. Lets call Nissan. :ylsuper

So in other words, sell the Pulsar GTi-R in the U.S. for $20k? Sounds like a plan to me!

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:18 pm

Simmsled wrote:Nissan should take their Japanese Bluebird Sylphy 4wd system that is paired with the SR20DE that they still produce, turbo it, and then make it a 2 door, call it something like the "SX" or reincarnate the "Pulsar" name and price it just above the Spec V at 20k and fully loaded at like 24, just under the entry 350Z. There... i figured it all out. Lets call Nissan. :ylsuper

haha, yea u just described the pulsar GTiR there man!!, but yea, im with ya, just make it look better, im on hold as we speak!!, well as i speak or whatever...... and also EZ, have u had any other problems with the spec v lately?, it sounds like you've heard of a few of em blowing not just urs??< and also, was it really THAT big ofa problem with nissan to get em to replace it?

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