DIY: Nissan Rogue Transfer Case Fluid Change

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I own a 2nd generation 2014 Nissan Rogue just wanna ask about my AWD transfer case where is the fill bolt located and drain bolt located thanks a lot?


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Go to the maintenance section of the FSM page MA30-MA31, has illustrations.

https://www.nicoclub.com/service-manual ... 014/MA.pdf

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I have a 2019 I purchased new. It's an all wheel drive model. The Dealer wants $300.00 to change the lube in both the front and rear diffs and add molybdenum? They want $99.00 a quart for their lube too. I think that's excessive. I have a Haynes manual on order, it'll more than cover whatever I am going to do maintenance wise on this vehicle.
Is this just a matter of draining the existing lube (I have a suction tool to remove gear lube from conventional rear axles) or is this something I really don't want to do?
We bought a warranty to learn it's not such a great warranty, they change the oil and filter, fluids, some other stuff stuff is covered but nothing that has needed work was covered. How nice for Nissan.
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dna9656 wrote:
Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:23 am
I have a 2019 I purchased new. It's an all wheel drive model. The Dealer wants $300.00 to change the lube in both the front and rear diffs and add molybdenum? They want $99.00 a quart for their lube too. I think that's excessive. I have a Haynes manual on order, it'll more than cover whatever I am going to do maintenance wise on this vehicle.
Is this just a matter of draining the existing lube (I have a suction tool to remove gear lube from conventional rear axles) or is this something I really don't want to do?
We bought a warranty to learn it's not such a great warranty, they change the oil and filter, fluids, some other stuff stuff is covered but nothing that has needed work was covered. How nice for Nissan.
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In case you weren't aware, your vehicle is front wheel drive, with limited all wheel drive capability.
ImStricken06 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:41 pm
The front differential is actually an internal part of the front wheel drive transmission; like every front wheel drive vehicle.

The only fluids in the drive train you need to drain are:
Engine Coolant
Engine Oil
CVT transmission fluid
Transfer Case Fluid (gl4/5)
Rear Differential/Carrier Fluid.(gl 4/5)


Read this map I drew:
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$99 a qt for 75w90? If that’s the case then this dealer is reason #1 people use the term stealership! My dealer charges $24 a qt for ns3 but invoices $29.99 on a cvt service.

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The manual says "all wheel drive"; Now I know there are varying degrees of "all" wheel drive, like there are varying degrees of most things in life. Yep, $99.00 a bottle is the going rate at Nissan for their gear lube; they also said they'd put an additive in it, the famous molybdenum, they talked about that like it was made of "Un-obtainium" to all but them. How ever it's made I will change the fluids for $300.00.

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Wow. That is definitely expensive unobtanium they're shilling there. You can get good full-synthetic high pressure gear oil for maybe 15-20$/qt and Molykote oil additive for around 20-30.

If you're comfortable tinkering under the car it's a pretty straightforward process. You may need to get certain tools but it's not anything that'll burn a hole in your wallet, or you might have a friend you could borrow from ;)

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I have been working on vehicles since the 70s. There aren't a lot of common hand tools I don't have and I have a quit a few un common tools, like harmonic balancers, seal and bearing drivers/pullers for example. I also have the hand pump for gear lube too! :)

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um what the hell is molybdenum? :gotme

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It's a metal that doesn't oxidize, withstands very high temperatures and pressures, and doesn't expand when heated. That makes it useful in high temperature lubricants when combined with sulfur (MoS2, Molybdenum Disulfide). It also makes high temperature steel when alloyed, so it's used in things like artillery barrels, tank armor, and the filament supports in light bulbs. It's sometimes employed as a substitute for Tungsten.

Not to be confused with Unobtainium. :lolling:

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Oh... and it also shouldn't be confused with the Bidensium recently being employed in Unobtainish Chinese EV batteries. :crazy:

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RIGHT!

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Grab amsoil severe gear in the squeeze bag. $15 a quart and one bag does the front and rear. The worst part of the job is contorting yourself, if you don’t have a lift to do the front TC. The back is easy as could be. Wrap the exhaust pipe in aluminum foil. No way I’d pay Nissans crazy fee and moly Kote is a fancy way to drive up the price. When I did mine at 40k the front drained like tapioca and the rear looked new.

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Thanks for the tip! I got some ramps, a floor jack and jack stands, alas no lift.

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If you have those hex socket bits you will need a 10mm and a breaker bar to get the drain and fill plugs on the transfer case. Bit of contortionism to get to them in my experience :crazy:

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I understand that when the CVT Transaxle fluid is changed the "CVT "Deterioration Date" must be changed using a "Factory CONSULT" scanner at a dealer or "other properly equipped shop". Anyone ever deal with this? What does the dealer or "other shop" charge for this? This is a rip off, like Chrysler not using dip sticks on their automatic transmissions; you're supposed to take it to a dealer where they warm the transmission to operation temp and stick a dealer only dip stick in the tranny for $50.00.

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With the first generation, I just ignore that crap. Remember when I bought my Rogue it was a lifetime fluid. I call it cvt destruction date because their changing time is less frequent which is why the cvt does not last long.

I prefer drain & fills every 20-30k with these cvt grenades. Hell with the Consult scanners and proper equipment, I change my cvt oil like a regular oil change.

My stupid butt was late in the game in the drain and fill category at 85k. :bang

Thank god my original cvt transmission rides smooth as butter to this day.

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dna9656 wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:49 pm
I understand that when the CVT Transaxle fluid is changed the "CVT "Deterioration Date" must be changed using a "Factory CONSULT" scanner at a dealer or "other properly equipped shop". Anyone ever deal with this? What does the dealer or "other shop" charge for this? This is a rip off, like Chrysler not using dip sticks on their automatic transmissions; you're supposed to take it to a dealer where they warm the transmission to operation temp and stick a dealer only dip stick in the tranny for $50.00.
The deterioration is useless information, the TCM only updates it by temperature. It doesn't consider mechanical shear breakdown of the fluid or gradual oxidation over time, which both contribute mightily to fluid wearing out. I never reset the deterioration on our '13 Altie, I just change the fluid regularly like Casper.

If you do want to reset it, download a free copy of the CVTz50 app (for 'Droid, there are other apps for Apple) and get a $15 VeePeak VP11 bluetooth adaptor to stick in your OBD port. That will give you access to the deterioration, CVT-A/CVT-B counts, realtime fluid temperature, and just about anything else in the CVT control system.

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You are the bee's knees VStar650CL!

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I have a blue tooth OBD adapter and a 3rd party android app Torque OBD Check, will that do the same thing? If so how do I proceed please?

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Is your OBD dongle able to pull CVT fluid temp data? Also, are you using Torque or Torque Pro? If I'm not mistaken, only the Pro version can reset the CVT deterioration status. Otherwise, just get the CVTz50 app instead.

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That date is just a point of reference for the dealership/tech. My 09 had a deterioration rate of next to no use at 60k and the dealer said no need to change the fluid. I was none the wiser. At 90k the cvt with no warning at all started squealing like a stuck pig and Nissan replaced it under warranty. I just changed the fluid on my wife’s 18 for the 5th time in 55k, no ramps, on the floor of the condo in our garage in Myrtle beach. If your fluid level is correct then no temp monitor needed. My car takes a hair under 4qts like clockwork. Yesterday it needed maybe 4 and 2 ounces but I only had 4. I opened up the leveling bolt at 118 degrees and it dribbled out so I’m good. Any dealer is gonna charge for 5 qts so basically your paying for new fluid they’re just dumping. If your not comfy with the procedure then most dealerships offer a cvt service for around $200 which is money well spent but the fluids greatly over priced. Eneos makes a n3 specific or their eco cvt fluid which covers n3 and back specs n2 which Nissans fluid does as well. Napa regularly stocks, or can get eneo fluid for under $10 a quart. I used eco yesterday as that’s all the napa here had in stock. I’ve used nothing but N3 but the eco actually uses a better base stock. It’s blue just like Nissan fluid and no dealer is gonna send your fluid out for analysis over a warranty claim unless a pan full of red fluid comes pouring out.

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I am not familiar with "Enos" or "N2" or "N3", where can I get educated on these fluids please?

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@D1Dad means NS2 and NS3, those are the Nissan designations for the early-model and late-model CVT fluids. Your '19 will take NS3. He's right about Eneos, it's outstanding fluid with great specifications and it's the same color as NS3, so it won't cause any rude questions if there's a warranty issue.

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Where can I buy NS3 fluid?

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VStar650CL wrote:
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@D1Dad means NS2 and NS3, those are the Nissan designations for the early-model and late-model CVT fluids. Your '19 will take NS3. He's right about Eneos, it's outstanding fluid with great specifications and it's the same color as NS3, so it won't cause any rude questions if there's a warranty issue.
VStar - Is NS-3 backward compatible to NS-2 in a Gen 1 Rogue? Is NS-3 better?

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phmichel wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:23 pm
VStar - Is NS-3 backward compatible to NS-2 in a Gen 1 Rogue? Is NS-3 better?
You can replace NS2 with NS3 but not the other way around. NS3 does have improved specifications, so older units running NS2 may benefit from upgrading..

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dna9656 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:03 pm
Where can I buy NS3 fluid?
Napa will carry eneos fluid for around 30% of what Nissan fluid cost. The eco brand is what I’d choose. It’s a dollar more than the eneos N3 fluid but has a better base stock (supposedly). I just put 4 quarts of it in the wife’s 2018. According to people who know more than myself, eneos is the supplier for Nissan so you may very well be getting the same fluid. I can verify that the Nissan cvt and eneos N3 are the exact same bottle. I still think the eneos eco fluid is the better of the 2. I completely replaced all the fluid in my 09 with eco and it really quieted it down and got rid of most of the goofy stuff that cvts do. Even valvoline would be fine but is a bit more viscous which would be good in a warmer climate. It also is amber as opposed to blue but the average tech wouldn’t know the difference after it’s mixed with your stock swill. We’re going to go to Asheville today from Myrtle beach so I’ll be able to see what 4 qts of eco does as far as cvt temps go.

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itsa300zx wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:07 am
Go to the maintenance section of the FSM page MA30-MA31, has illustrations.

https://www.nicoclub.com/service-manual ... 014/MA.pdf
Thank you, but my Rogue is a 2019 not a 2014.

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dna9656 wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:38 am
Thank you, but my Rogue is a 2019 not a 2014.
The '14~'20's all have the same tranny, unless his '14 is a Rogue Select (a gen1 that continued in production for two years after the gen2's arrived in '14). If it's a gen2 then yours and his use the same fluid.


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