discount tire full of BS?

[95zenki man]

ok guys, just got my new rims in today. and went up to get tires put on them, i have (2) 215-45-17s that i was going to put on the front ( 9inch wheel) and (2) 225 - 45- 17s i was going to put on the rear (10inc wheel) after talking to the guy at discount tire for 5 - 10 mins and fighting with him about how "safe" stretch a tire is he finally said that they didnt want anything to do with it and the tire was going to explode or come of the bead 5 feet out of the parking lot i was like . is it just me or are they full of s***? i have had a 205 on an 8 inch wheel and that is a pretty big stretch and it was fine. i think they just dont want to go through all the work to put them on and by saying its unsafe want me to buy all new tires....

what do you guys think? i know people run 215s on 9inch wheels all the time and it isn't that much of a stretch so i really dont know what to do or where i can take it to get these put on.... both firestone and discount tire said that.

[Ajax]

They do have the right to refuse work. If they believe it will be unsafe, they are making sure they cannot be held liable if something were to happen. Why they bothered to argue with you, I don't know why. They could have just told you they were uncomfortable with that amount of stretch and given you a recommendation on tire sizes (which you then could have ignored).
You're looking at an unconventional tire mounting, you need to find a tuner shop or similar specialty store- not the franchises.

[krash]

It is unsafe to stretch a tire that much, the bead can actually pop off. Will it happen right away? probably not. CAN it happen? Definitely. The guy at discount tire was just looking out for himself. It is "unsafe" since it CAN pop off, so if it did, and they installed it, they're liable.

[95zenki man]

i understand that, but all he had to do was say, look im not uncomfortable doing this, heres what we can do and offer we some other options, but this guy just was being out right rude, and sounded like they where out of tampons at wallmart... i do know the risk of putting a smaller tire on a larger rim, although i also know that it can be done, and if done right can be safe...thats all im saying.

[krash]

Either way, its unsafe according to their standards. He was trying to get you new tires to get your problem solved. Not a big deal, maybe it was a tough day for him, who knows. He was going by the book though.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

One less 240SX with s*** stretched tires! Give that man a medal.

[95zenki man]

Sorry for having a low car with wide wheels??

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Sorry for having a low car with wide wheels??

Apology accepted. Just don't let it happen again.

[95zenki man]

Trust me I hate that crazy stretched tires to but what I'm asking for isn't that bad just a mild stretch...

[krash]

Trust me I hate that crazy stretched tires to but what I'm asking for isn't that bad just a mild stretch...

dude, 255s will stretch on a 9" wide wheel...... you were asking to mount 215s

[turbonxsx]

stretching is good for your muscles not your tires..

[sci2000tech]

I feel ya man.

I brought a set of 275's to Discount and had them mount em on a pair of 11" wide wheels, had no problems.

Then one day somewhere in the process of having the car towed from a shop back to my house, one of the tires popped off the bead. So I go to Discount the next morning to have em put it back on the bead and they gave me the same story they told you.

I can understand how it is a liability for them, it just sucks they can't just have you sign a waiver of something. Other than that, I've had nothing but great experiences with them.

So I guess it all depends on who's working at the time.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Trust me I hate that crazy stretched tires to but what I'm asking for isn't that bad just a mild stretch...

dude, 255s will stretch on a 9" wide wheel...... you were asking to mount 215s

Awwwwkwaaaaard.

[zerepdivad]

That guy at discount tire is a good man. i'll buy him a beer.

[GrilledCheese33]

That guy at discount tire is a good man. i'll buy him a beer.

This

[asoomal]

If you wanna run 215's or 225's, get 7 inch wide wheels.

[C-Kwik]

Sorry for having a low car with wide wheels??

Better to have wide tires to go with the wide wheels.

i understand that, but all he had to do was say, look im not uncomfortable doing this, heres what we can do and offer we some other options, but this guy just was being out right rude, and sounded like they where out of tampons at wallmart... i do know the risk of putting a smaller tire on a larger rim, although i also know that it can be done, and if done right can be safe...thats all im saying.

What other options can they possibly offer you other than to sell you tires that can be safely mounted on the wheel? Understand that the tire guy is likely to go by what the tire engineers say is safe. Not what some kid who decides to follow some pointless trend says. Go look up the specs for the tire you have and you'll find the manufacture will have listed a maximum wheel width, for that tire model, in that size. From a tire business's perspective (especially a large chain that has a much larger liability exposure potential; deep pockets), do you really think that's a smart move? Sure, maybe he didn't have to argue with you. But then again, you didn't have to argue back. I'd speculate you tried to convince him that it was perfectly safe to do.

That all said, it is likely unsafe. There is no special way they can make the tire behave differently by doing it "the right way". When A tire gets stretched too far out, the sidewall sees much more tension. As such, this tension force will pull the bead diameter slightly out. You can picture this with some simple geometry. Stretch it far enough and it may not engage enough of the wheel's lip to ensure it stays on the wheel under all reasonable circumstances (including projected large cornering load with a margin of safety). It is entirely possible you may get away with it. Then again, if the tire unseats in the middle of a turn on a mountain road, just keep in mind you may not get a chance to learn from that mistake.

[95zenki man]

^ very true i am sure they know more about it then i do, i am only going off of the info that i have and what i have done before without problem... but after talking to a number of friends that have and do work at tire shops it is not so much the liability its more of they dont want to deal with having to do it because its a lot more work. even one size down on specs and they turn you away. it comes down to they are not going to do it. so there's really no need to fight about it, i think i have composed enough info to support there statement and what i believed....

although what the hell are you talking about a 255 will be stretched on a 9inch wheel? to much beer before the sun set???

if i recall a 245-255 is just about perfect size for a 9 inch wheel? not to big not to small???

-245 very little stretch if any.



so i can only assume a 255 will be a tad wider?? or am i just a complete dumbass for thinking that?

and this is a 215-40

[Urabus GodofTraction]

^ very true i am sure they know more about it then i do, i am only going off of the info that i have and what i have done before without problem... but after talking to a number of friends that have and do work at tire shops it is not so much the liability its more of they dont want to deal with having to do it because its a lot more work. even one size down on specs and they turn you away. it comes down to they are not going to do it. so there's really no need to fight about it, i think i have composed enough info to support there statement and what i believed....

although what the hell are you talking about a 255 will be stretched on a 9inch wheel? to much beer before the sun set???

if i recall a 245-255 is just about perfect size for a 9 inch wheel? not to big not to small???

-245 very little stretch if any.



so i can only assume a 255 will be a tad wider?? or am i just a complete dumbass for thinking that?

and this is a 215-40

He said that if a 255 tire is stretched, then a 215 would be even more stretched. Your picture bares fruit of that.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Sorry for having a low car with wide wheels??

They DO actually make tires designed to fit those wheels...

[95zenki man]

and a 255 is not stretched at all so his point is not valid...its all good im going with a 255 rear 245 front.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

and a 255 is not stretched at all so his point is not valid...its all good im going with a 255 rear 245 front.

This will end well!

[S13_love]

liability

[Dattebayo]

Get some overfenders and quit complaining already... WHile you're at it, put some sweet fender vents in there, too.

[krash]

and a 255 is not stretched at all so his point is not valid...its all good im going with a 255 rear 245 front.

A 225 has about 8 inches of contact, you were putting a 215 on a 9 inch wheel. I don't even understand why you'd want LESS tire than you can fit.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

I don't even understand why you'd want LESS tire than you can fit.

Its the latest thing... you know like the backstreet boys, power ranges, pog, tickle me elmo, etc. Don't worry, it will go away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BGIcRBPHM

They DO actually make tires designed to fit those wheels...

This is what I think every time I see the stretched setup...

Its like the brothers that used to wear gigantic pants that would end up sagging down to their knees. You know, they DO make a pair of pants that will fit your waistline.

[Dattebayo]

Its like the brothers that used to wear gigantic pants that would end up sagging down to their knees.

lol criss cross comes to mind here...

[95zenki man]

and a 255 is not stretched at all so his point is not valid...its all good im going with a 255 rear 245 front.

This will end well!

if you read that post that is a 10 inch wheel, if you keep reading you will see that i got 2 new 9 inch wheels for the front. how about you try reading before you call me a dumbass?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

This will end well!

if you read that post that is a 10 inch wheel, if you keep reading you will see that i got 2 new 9 inch wheels for the front. how about you try reading before you call me a dumbass?

A tire of 245mm wide is at least 245mm wide, no matter the wheel size you put it on. You WILL have a similar problem trying to get 245s onto the front of a 240SX...

Oh, and nice spacers. I guess the concept of scrub radius is secondary to putting on some baller rimz, eh?

I'm going to add here that even if you're not actually using those spacers up front, the willingness to use them instead of properly sized wheels speaks volumes.

[95zenki man]

uh? i had to run a spacer with the old wheels that came on the car to clear the coils??? is that a problem for you? i didn't have $1000+ for wheels at the time so i made do with what was on there... how about you keep crap out of a thread when its not called for? as you can see i said i went with a wider tire. and it went on just fine with no stretch so i dont see why you feel the need to keep picking at something that is over with? you made your point, yet you keep calling me out on stupid s*** that has nothing to do with the question? if i had said somthing like " are spacers safe to run" then you could have put ur .02 in to the thread but i didnt...you made your point.

please go find more s*** to call me out on? i know my cars a POS, good thing its MY car. i dont need you telling me everything that is wrong with it. i can only do so much at one time. i dont blow all my $ on my car like a lot of people do.

also if my math is right i think 245mm is around 9.5 inchs so how would that be streched on a 9inch wheel?