Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill

[hatedinthemind]

Has anybody else heard about this?

A oil rig named the Deepwater Horizon had a underwater blowout and sank. Now thousands of gallons of crude oil is leaking into the Gulf of Mexico daily

[seang]

Never underestimate the power of the sauce.

[Joe]

Has anybody else heard about this?

A oil rig named the Deepwater Horizon had a underwater blowout and sank. Now thousands of gallons of crude oil is leaking into the Gulf of Mexico daily

you do realize this has been all over the news for 2 weeks right?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

The Daily Show must have just done a piece on it...

[Red coupe]

Has anybody else heard about this?

A oil rig named the Deepwater Horizon had a underwater blowout and sank. Now thousands of gallons of crude oil is leaking into the Gulf of Mexico daily

you do realize this has been all over the news for 2 weeks right?

Yeah I was about to say... ANOTHER one?

This has been huge news for a while now.

[Zydeco]

Has anybody else heard about this?

A oil rig named the Deepwater Horizon had a underwater blowout and sank. Now thousands of gallons of crude oil is leaking into the Gulf of Mexico daily

you do realize this has been all over the news for 2 weeks right?

no, try almost a month. it happen on April 20th I believe.

[IanS]

Hahaha, wow slow train eh?

Ive been hearing about this on my way to work every morning for darn near a month now.

[Captain Slow]

I'M NOT THE SLOW ONE FOR ONCE!

[Tulsa_S-13]

The Daily Show must have just done a piece on it...

Probably.

[AZhitman]

Less video games.

More paying attention to the world around you.

[infinitgkid]

Less video games.

More paying attention to the world around you.

But the world around you doesn't give you gamer points and achievements like video games do...

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

See..when I was a kid...we didn't need this achievement s*** when we played Our super nintendos. DO something amazing? call your friend over.
Most pointless addition to gaming in recent memory.

[hatedinthemind]

I know its old. I just thought it was crazy that its still going on and there wasn't a topic about it on Nico. It might come all the way to where I live in Florida and ruin alot of our businesses.

[EazyBreazy]

Here's a link from another forum with alot of information on whats going on. Alot of these guys are very knowledgeable about the oil fields and drilling processes.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=882208

[Bubba1]

Here's a link from another forum with alot of information on whats going on. Alot of these guys are very knowledgeable about the oil fields and drilling processes.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=882208

60minutes just had an interesting segment about the disaster and the cause. They interviewed one of the survivors, the chief electronics technician who had a ringside seat, as well as a government appointed investigator. Looks like it was a combination of terrible decisions, errors by three separate parties: BP, Transocean, (owner of the rig), and Haliburtan,yes d!ck Cheney's old company.

[IanS]

Here's a link from another forum with alot of information on whats going on. Alot of these guys are very knowledgeable about the oil fields and drilling processes.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=882208

60minutes just had an interesting segment about the disaster and the cause. They interviewed one of the survivors, the chief electronics technician who had a ringside seat, as well as a government appointed investigator. Looks like it was a combination of terrible decisions, errors by three separate parties: BP, Transocean, (owner of the rig), and Haliburtan,yes d!ck Cheney's old company.

Interesting, what does Haliburtan have to do with all of this? I know Ive heard the name dropped when talking about the spill, but no specifics.

[EazyBreazy]

Ian read the thread i posted, It has alot of information and pretty much outlines who all is involved, why , theories, and how they're trying to stop it. There's some ROV operators that post there as well as other oil industry insiders. Honestly I've not found more information about it anywhere other than that thread. Its that enlightening.

[Bubba1]

Halliburtan was a subcontractor of Transocean hired to install 3 concrete "corks" to plug the very deep well. The proper method is to do it with the well full of heavy drilling fluid called "mud" - to keep the pressure below contained. But in a reckless time/cost savings shortcut. a BP manager overrulled a major safefy protocol and ordered the "mud" to begin being removed before the last plug was set. Both Transcocean and Halliburtan complied knowing the risk. Both Halliburtan and Transocean should have done it by the book. This placed more pressure on one final safety device, a preventer, which, only to Transocean's knowledge, was already damaged and malfunctioning. Transocean had decided to ignore the pareventer problem warning signs and pressed on with the risky activity. Result? disaster.

The question is who do you blame? Answer, there's plenty to blame to share among all three companies. for Halliburtan, it was following orders blindly abandoning safety rules, plus a question of the quality of work of the first two plugs which also failed.
BP and Transocean clearly carry more blame than Halliburtan.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Bad decisions tend to become cumulative which often results in disaster.
It only takes one link to break that chain and prevent the worst. When everyone just goes along with the bad choices, all parties bear equal blame.

The sad part is there's really no incentive to be the one who breaks the chain. Had Haliburtan refused to proceed without proper safety protocols, no story would have made the news. But business would likely have gotten ugly. No good press potential, only bad.

[Bubba1]

Bad decisions tend to become cumulative which often results in disaster.
It only takes one link to break that chain and prevent the worst. When everyone just goes along with the bad choices, all parties bear equal blame.

The sad part is there's really no incentive to be the one who breaks the chain. Had Haliburtan refused to proceed without proper safety protocols, no story would have made the news. But business would likely have gotten ugly. No good press potential, only bad.

Very true. The root of this problem is the arrogance and impatience of BP, much due to the risk/scale of their investment. The article discussed the tension in every drilling operation has to deal with between doing things safely and doing them fast.

[OriginalWheelman]

I think we should stop pointing fingers until an investigation can be finished. Seriously. We don't even know what caused it and everyone's trying to prevent the next one already. It's like trying to ban cars cause there was a big pile up. One bad accident doesn't meant he whole damned system is wrong, just that something failed. Until we figure out what caused the problem, all of this BS is pointless. For all we know it could have been an anti drilling whack job with explosives and a submarine.

[Bubba1]

I think we should stop pointing fingers until an investigation can be finished. Seriously. We don't even know what caused it and everyone's trying to prevent the next one already. It's like trying to ban cars cause there was a big pile up. One bad accident doesn't meant he whole damned system is wrong, just that something failed. Until we figure out what caused the problem, all of this BS is pointless. For all we know it could have been an anti drilling whack job with explosives and a submarine.

Uh, hello? The causes were identified, substantiated by a high level eye witnesses. What is disturbing is that there were several serious lapses in safety protocol and judgement by three different companies that led to it. The only real questions left unanswered are which individuals (how high up the food chain) at each company made those stupid decisions, and who's gonna pay the massive cleanup bill.

[AZhitman]

Unfortunately, the broad, generalized effect of this incident in the eyes of the *mostly uninformed* American public will be very similar to the effect of TMI and Chernobyl:

"OMG nuclear power plants are bad and dangerous!"

The reality is, nothing could be further from the truth.

However, the good news in all this is, POTUS expressed a desire to "drill here, drill now" (after initially opposing it as a campaign stunt) RIGHT before the BP boo-boo... So, he'll have to press forth.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Are there any estimates to how much oil is and has been being pumped into the gulf?
I read somewhere that the rig owners are refusing to give detailed video of the leak so that scientists can estimate it more accurately.

[OriginalWheelman]

I think we should stop pointing fingers until an investigation can be finished. Seriously. We don't even know what caused it and everyone's trying to prevent the next one already. It's like trying to ban cars cause there was a big pile up. One bad accident doesn't meant he whole damned system is wrong, just that something failed. Until we figure out what caused the problem, all of this BS is pointless. For all we know it could have been an anti drilling whack job with explosives and a submarine.

Uh, hello? The causes were identified, substantiated by a high level eye witnesses. What is disturbing is that there were several serious lapses in safety protocol and judgement by three different companies that led to it. The only real questions left unanswered are which individuals (how high up the food chain) at each company made those stupid decisions, and who's gonna pay the massive cleanup bill.

Yeah but do you have any evidence for this other than the thread you linked? That's not evidence, no one is under oath, no one is making affidavits to the police. While the people in that thread seem to know what's up, it's not an official investigation and I don't accept it as fact. An internet thread is not evidence in a court of law. Until I read an official investigation report, the cause is unknown.

[sentrastace]

think about how bad the seafood industry is going to do because of this....a lot of it comes from the gulf.

[Bubba1]

Yeah but do you have any evidence for this other than the thread you linked? That's not evidence, no one is under oath, no one is making affidavits to the police. While the people in that thread seem to know what's up, it's not an official investigation and I don't accept it as fact. An internet ad is not evidence in a court of law. Until I read an official investigation report, the cause is unknown.

Evidence other than eyewitness testimony by senior Transocean officials?? I could easily link you to other sources that will give you the same information. No one except you seems to be questioning or disputing the cause. If you're expecting BP to claim it was a vast left wing conspiracy or it was done by the Taliban, you;re going to be very disappointed. The causes are known. But, hey, if you want wait up to a year to for the Obama administration to publish some report that summarizes stuff everyone else already knows, that's your perogative.

[OriginalWheelman]

I'm not saying that's what caused I'm I was merely saying it was within the realm of possibility.

All I've read form anyone is the blame passing and speculation from the involved companies. When I see the National Academy of Engineering report and the Minerals Management Service report we can talk about cause. Witness testimony does not equate truth. As the camera age has shown us eyewitness testimony is one of the least reliable forms of evidence.

[Bubba1]

I'm not saying that's what caused I'm I was merely saying it was within the realm of possibility.

All I've read form anyone is the blame passing and speculation from the involved companies. When I see the National Academy of Engineering report and the Minerals Management Service report we can talk about cause. Witness testimony does not equate truth. As the camera age has shown us eyewitness testimony is one of the least reliable forms of evidence.

Enjoy your wait, buddy.

[PoorManQ45]

think about how bad the seafood industry is going to do because of this....a lot of it comes from the gulf.

Might want to check again.

Alot of pre-packaged seafood comes from....wait for it.... CHINA!!!