Deatschwerks Project KA-T

[ceniack]

We at deatschwerks are starting up a project car. we are doing a budget build, but using quality parts.

the imediate goals are to have it turboed pushing 300-350 whp for less than $2000 dollars and to have it running by xmas.

today UPS brought us this.

hybrid bar and plate, 12x24x3 core size







about 45 minutes later fedex shows up with this

2.5 in aluminized steel mandrel bends.



USPS also brought us the turbo today, a new Garrett t3/t04e 57trim .63 A/R which we won on ebay.

however... with the arrival of this turbo, we have also ran into our first real problem. the seller did not package the turbo properly (i.e. turbo was just in a box) and threw something out of alignment so the turbine blades rub against the housing.

we are currently in the process of trying to get in contact with the seller to find a way to resolve this, as well as taking the turbo to a competent shop to get an estimate on fixing.

keep checking back here for more details

[sunnys14]

$2000 pushing 300whp? are you going to use stock internals?

[ceniack]

yes, we are using stock internals for now. we have a couple local guys here running KA-t on stock internals that were pushing 380whp.

after we get the car in boost the next stage is going to be head work, then bottom end work after that (unless we happpen to blow it up between now and when we are ready to do it)

[sunnys14]

what is going to be ur setup? is this project car going to be a daily driver?

[jmwenick]

Awesome, I love watching projects. I am currently starting my collecting parts Phase .5 I still have a lot of stuff to buy. Good luck on the build. I'll be watching.

[WDRacing]

I love a good budget build up, its so much more like reality for so many people...myself included. Best of luck staying under your goal.

WD

[hannibal]

$2K should be doable if you are fabbing your own IC pipes, exhaust manifold, and downpipe. Not having access to tools and equipment necessary to make those parts make it more expensive.

[AZhitman]

This is gonna be awesome!

David, best of luck - we have a TON of KA-t experts here to lend a hand if you get stuck.

Guys, take a minute and check out David's business site - he'll be getting my business very soon!

[fiznat]

Best of luck to ya guys! Nice to see another ground-up project starting.

350 rwhp is a difficult area for the KA-T. Your decision to go with stock internals will either pay off nicely or end up catching right when you least expect it. I personally threw 3 stock rods out of the block at 420rwhp (had forged pistons though)-- thats really not far from 350, a boost spike can do that to ya easially. The thing that sucks the most about throwing rods is there is nothing you can do to prevent it really. Good tuning and fuel will help save your pistons, quality turbos and good intercooling will give you a nice efficient setup, but stock rods go pretty much whenever the feel like it. Just be careful man, you're right in that grey area between an expensive complete buildup and a cheap budget build. Cant wait to see how it turns out!

[dj_hype]

I'm about done in collecting parts for my build and i'm at $1004.89. Albeit the turbo was free but thats beside the point. All I have left to buy is a WG Block off plate and the piping for the IC and DP. Be sure to do a detailed post on custom IC piping because that is a huge money saver.

[ceniack]

thanks for all the support guys, we are really looking forward to this, the ka-t is actually my (terry) car, dave usually posts under deatschwerks, and has some pretty big plans for his SR powered s13 hatch

we only have a few of the things concrete right now

Turbo - Garrett t3/t04e 57trim .63 a/rIC - hybrid 24x12x3 corepiping - custom fabricated using 2.5in mandrel bends.wastegate - tial 38mminjectors - deatschwerks 650cctuning custom rom tuneBOV - stock sr untill we start pushing more boost (starting with 7psi)fuel pump - walboro 255 combined with a deatschwerks hardwire kit

stuff we are still shopping for"

manifold - looking at a revhardgauges

stuff that is already on the car:

ACT 6puck clutch, SPL stainless steal clutch linekyb/agx with RS*R springsVLSD with 4.11 R&P

we know we will be running the ragged edge on the stockbottom end on the KA, but that is what makes this exciting for us...pushing the envelope. and if we do push to hard and the envelope breaks, we will only be out a couple hundred bucks and an a few hours swapping engines.

also, an update on the turbo situation, i took the turbo down to turbo technologies here in oklahoma city to have them look at it, they said the turbo was in fact new, and was in fact a garrett, but that it had been dropped which appeared to have bent the seal plate at the least, and possibly could have damaged the internals (they wouldnt' be able to tell unless they take it apart).

best case scenerio the guy pays to have it rebuilt 175-300+ bucks depending on what all has to be replace/repaired, worst case, we eat the cost of the rebuild of the turbo.

makes me very angry because it was something that could have been prevented had the seller just packaged the thing in bubble wrap or peanunts or paper or something, instead of just putting it in a box and shipping it loose.

and rest assured, we will have a few write-ups on some of our money saving techniques.

-terry
Modified by ceniack at 4:29 PM 10/5/2005

[Henry G]

Wow, how lame of that seller. More than likely there won't be able that you can do about it. Best of luck with the build though!

[ceniack]

Wow, how lame of that seller. More than likely there won't be able that you can do about it. Best of luck with the build though!

well, i got an e-mail from the seller today, this is what he said...

Wow, that sucks. There is no way the internals can bebent though. I can maybe help you out a little andsplit part of the cost. or go halves on a rebuild kitbut I will need a reciept from the shop as proof.those garretts are almost impossible to break. Are yousure some pare or paing material isn't in the turbine?

so it looks like there is still hope. i am going to take it to a couple more places tomorrow and see what they think and maybe get a more concrete estimate on fixing it.

[1WheelWonder]

Good luck with the project, and might I add that Deatsch Werks must be napalm cause yall da bomb.

[jmwenick]

haha nice! Yeah you guys have great prices on injectors and I will definetly be buying from you guys in the next couple months. I'm soo pumped about your project.

[SonyPete]

Are stock ka24e or ka24de rods forged from the factory??

[ceniack]

i believe they are, but i am not 100% posotive.

[BadMojo]

i believe they are, but i am not 100% posotive.

KA24DE rods are forged. That doesn't keep 'em from getting all crooked-like and broken though, as we've seen lately.

[sunnys14]

goodluck on your build up. keep us posted on any new info

[WDRacing]

KA24DE rods are forged. That doesn't keep 'em from getting all crooked-like and broken though, as we've seen lately.

They are shotpeened not forged.

[WDRacing]

Good luck with the project, and might I add that Deatsch Werks must be napalm cause yall da bomb.

Almost the gayest thing I've ever read. Thats right up there with calling your car a "whip".

[fiznat]

They are shotpeened not forged.

Actually I thought they were forged?

[WDRacing]

I'm not thinking so...a set of forged and shotpeened rods shouldn't snap at the low torque levels they have been as of late.

[Structure240sx]

even when half as thick as aftermarket rods though? With thousands and thousands of miles of who knows what kind of abuse? Being mass produced with im sure plenty of defects?

[veilside180sx]

They are both forged and shotpeened from everything I've read over the years. It's just the diameter of the rod that causes it's demise.

[fiznat]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Brian!

[WDRacing]

you're only talking smack cause you aren't going to SEMA...wuss.

Reguardless, I have new Pauters now, so EAD.

I'm going with not forged, even if Mr. Nismo tells me himself. Just to argue...

[naed240sx]

So If the biggest risk in building a ka-t is throwing rods, why aren't more people using aftermarket ones? Are they just really expensive, hard to install, or what?

[fiznat]

I think for most people it comes down to the expense. Rods arent cheap, and for a while people were under the impression that stock rods were beefy enough to handle a whole lot of power. I proved that theory wrong, heh, as did MarkEMark and a few others.

[BadMojo]

I'm going with not forged, even if Mr. Nismo tells me himself. Just to argue...

I've never had to replace 'em (lucky for me), but every source I've seen (NICO, that Other Nissan Website, various other sources online) has said they were forged for the KA24DE. I'm assuming it's the same for the E.

Where's Ivan? He's destroyed enough of 'em in his endless pursuit of ludicrous amounts of boost, so he should know.