Dear NICO members…..

[rsiwicki]

Unfortunately it has come to my attention (through the best of my ability to determine without getting sworn statements) that a member of this forum has not been truthful with our fellow NICO members. The member has made unprovoked claims and statements that are not true and misleading. I am not aware of any negative implactions of this members actions; however, I strongly believe that these statements should cease. I will not name this member or comment much further on this subject as this gives me no pleasure to post such a statement in a fine example of an internet forum. I don't want to see the unnecessary false statements continue to a point where it does do harm to an individual or forum community. As we have all probably experienced before with internet forums, some statements made by others can be false and misleading. This is just a friendly reminder to not believe everything you read on the internet.

Btw….if anybody is thinking it is me, forget about it. It is not me and look elsewhere!!!!!

[metaverse3]

What is going on with this group ? Can we never have an enthusiastic discussion just about our cars and come together for the common good of being just that (enthusiasts) I have lurked for years between here, yahoo groups, and usenet groups..even before I owned an infiniti.. Fact of the matter is you own a luxury cruiser which is just that.. a luxury cruiser.. I thought I was losing my mind when I noticed my posts disappearing, and this is on the new forum...unless someone is hacking this new forum as well. Not to mention thread hijacks, and folks beating each other as to how fast his/her ride is... Your 3000+ pound Q45 will not break the quarter mile record, and yearly model differences between cars should not lead to arguments, rather, constructive comparisons as to what make them unique. Please leave the nonsense aside and personally, I could care less about fact bombing.. or fiction bombing.. Just enjoy the ride..
Modified by metaverse3 at 8:47 PM 10/18/2004

[qship96]

well said! the forum has become much friendlier in the past few days,now that they finally thrown out the garbage.

[rsiwicki]

Let me clarify….this has nothing to do with:

"my car is faster and than your car kind of thing""your facts are wrong and mine are right kind of thing"

I don't care who says what on the above hence my lack of comments into getting into those kind of discussions.

The issue is that a member is making up stories and statements of items that:

"are exaturated at best""do not exist""have not been completed when they say they have been completed"

It is these kind of false statements that should not continue in this forum.

[qship96]

I,as probobly everyone else here,am confused about this statement! can you be a little more specific?

[rsiwicki]

Okay...here is an example.

Your neighbor tells you his Mustang is a 4.6L. You have no reason not to believe him as the car has all the 4.6L stuff on it (exhaust, wheels, badging, etc.) so you go on assuming the the car is a 4.6L with no harm done. It just so happens that you and your neighbor take the car to the same mechanic. While you are dropping off your car to be fixed by the same shop for both cars you notice that your neighbors car is there as well and you start talking to your mechanic telling him that he has your neighbors car also in the shop and how you want a 4.6L Mustang one day. Then your mechanic says…."What, that ain't no 4.6L Mustang. It may look and sound like one, but it is a V6 as I did all custom work to make it look like a 4.6L".

So there you have a perfect example of somebody making up a story for no pressured reason that had you believing something totally untrue as you had no reason to doubt your neighbor until by coincidence you were both at the same mechanic one day. There have been several misleading false statements by this member which concerns me since I know the truth to be otherwise so I felt that enough was enough and something had to be said.

[elwesso]

Rob, will you email me off the forum.. I intend to get to the bottom of this.

[Nismo_Freak]

No offense cheif, but it's the internet... there are many people that claim this and claim that. I think most people are guilty of it at some time, but there are those that are habitual ergo I would not base any of your decisions on someone elses actions without further proof of such claims.

On another note, 1 person does not sum up NICO, there are all kinds of people. You have people that will help you out like Fred (PalmerWMD), people to ban idiots like Greg, even though he's 108 yrs. old (AZhitman), and you have the young 240 owning arseholes like Budweizer, me, Exar-Kun, WDRacin, and a number of others haha. Combined it's one giant cess pool of seemingly co-operation.

Moral: Don't let one person get you distracted from the others that are willing to help you out.

And yes, El Wesso does love you.

[rsiwicki]

Sorry...but I said that I will not name the member unless something drastic changes where I see I need to name who it is. I know that this is disturbing to say the least but it is to be taken a friendly reminder to everyone not to believe everything you read on the internet using good judgement and to try to put a stop to the false statements being made.

[rsiwicki]

Nismo....I understand your point of view and it is mine as well as I usually go about my own business here and make my own judgements without commenting on the forum.

But would you sit on the side line watching somebody continuing to make false claims with all other members believing this members false claims???

I sat long enough on the side lines and I am no "nark" either. It just got old after a while watching others believe the false statements with me knowing the truth so something needed to be said.

[Nismo_Freak]

Nismo....I understand your point of view and it is mine as well as I usually go about my own business here and make my own judgements without commenting on the forum.

But would you sit on the side line watching somebody continuing to make false claims with all other members believing this members false claims???

I sat long enough on the side lines and I am no "nark" either. It just got old after a while watching others believe the false statements with me knowing the truth so something needed to be said.

Bro, if only you knew, if only you knew...

Lets just say I made a post similar to this one but with names and facts, and well very very few people know about it.

I guess it's just best to let them live in their own world of lies, if they have to lie to people to feel better then so be it.

[carlos_knology]

I'm with Nismofreak on this one. It would be perfect if everyone did the right thing all the time but it won't happen.

This forum is a sampling of the internet community at large and all that entails - the good and bad.

Granted, the purpose of having moderators is to keep things as clean as possible.

I usually just ignore the "suspect" posts.

Although I chose not to contribute to the other posts pertaining the apparent forum conduct decline, I have to say, sometimes this place reminds me of high school. But again, it's best to ignore the BS and concentrate of the good NICO posts.

[rydwhite]

But would you sit on the side line watching somebody continuing to make false claims with all other members believing this members false claims???

You are still sitting on the side line and letting everyone believe this members false claims. I think everyone has the basic common sense not to believe everything they read on the internet and see on tv. If you are trying to warn members about a certain member, talk to the mod/admin team about it and let it be handled that way. Otherwise, there really seems to be no purpose for the warning if you are not really warning them about something that they should look out for. It is hard to look for false statements because you have no means of verification of the facts, so in that case, don't belive anything you read on the internet. Everyone can be lying, we don't know.

[louiegz]

Thanks for the heads up Rob, but it's probably better if you handle it internally with a moderator or one on one. I know if someone had a problem with anything I say, I would hope they let me know so I rectify my error.

[PoorManQ45]

Ok, I'll tell the truth.

It's time for me to come out of the closet. I'm gay.

BTW, I'm just kidding

[pito11213]

As of right now this post has simply made me wonder as to what you are talking about. Even if it were a simple clue I would like to know atleast what you are referring too. Atleast guide me to a post of "this person" and let me decipher it myself.

[rydwhite]

I am pretty sure I know who he is talking about. But since he doesn't want to give out the persons screen name I will not either.

[Rex]

I think the intent of Rob's post was "don't let someone's inclusion to our friendly little board be any measure of credibility".

For those of us that know this to be true and may have let our guard down slightly, THANKS.

[PalmerWMD]

You can always report suspect posts to a Moderator.

Fred

[rsiwicki]

Thanks for the clarification Rex.....

Fred, I understand that some things should be handled outside of the forums as it would probably cause less problems....but in this case I believe it was better to handle it within the forums given the circumstances.

[elwesso]

Thank you for the heads up Rob...

[MiniMan]

Rob,

Very mature way of handling this. I for one wouldn't be so with held.

I too hope the lies stop. It just goes to show you can't believe every word that comes out of people's mouths... no matter their supposed "credibility." While the person may only be trying to promote themselves and impress others, I don't believe they know the harm they're causing.

The rest of you may not know who it is, but rest assured, you don't have to. THEY know who they are.

In the end, the truth will always bite you in the a$$.

Corey

[elwesso]

The thread has served its purpose, and I would appreciate no more comments... I am PERSONALLY handling this situation in the swiftest manner I can..... This situation WILL be resolved...

[AZhitman]

Wow.

I've read this thread twice in the past couple days and never once thought it would be about me. Call me clueless, and talk about getting called out!

Rob, my original intention was to email you on this privately, but then everybody would keep wondering, "Who was slingin' fibs?!"

So, against my better judgement, here's the (relatively boring) deal - Without going into too much detail, Rob and I had talked quite a while back about BRM having a jig made (by this shop in S. Florida) to make G50 headers, with his car as the model.

Once Rob got his headers made, the shop tells me they can make another set anytime, and even gave me pricing information. I think, no way anyone (aside from maybe Ryan and myself) is gonna pay the price they quoted me. No worries, it's not like there's a big demand - plus I have other projects on the front burner.

Time passes.

Then a guy from CA calls me up, saw the info on the BRM site, as says he wants to order a set. I consider going through the whole "order and wait" thing, then I decide to just refer him to the shop that made Rob's. I'm not going to try and make any money off this guy, it's not worth it (new product, I already got burned on the 350Z headers - long story).

So the guy calls me back, a couple weeks later, thanks me, and says he's having them made, says he plans to break 200 in the Q at some top speed race. I'm ecstatic for him [/sarcasm].

Calls me back AGAIN, asks me if I'll be participating in the Silver State Classic, says thanks for turning him on to this shop, and even called the guy at the shop by name (Jesus). Says he installed and dyno'ed the new headers. We discuss an idea that Rob actually came up with early on, the idea of a stepped-tube design, and I make a note to have a set made with this design (like the Borlas for the Cobra).

Now we find (rather Rob finds) that no such thing has transpired, and in actuality, he owns the ONLY G50 headers (probably the ONLY set in existence in the US).

It will likely remain that way, as there's just not enough of a demand, and I was mistaken to think that the shop had made a jig for us (they didn't) and that I could even afford one if they did (which I can't). I stood to gain diddly-squat, as the demand is simply not there.

I'm not quite sure who this guy "Martin" is, but apparently I've been made to appear quite an a$$.

At any rate, there's the long and short of it. I have no intention of making any G50 headers (unless they're made using my car), and, like I said - Rob has the ONLY set of G50 headers in the US, and quite possibly the ONLY set aside from AGM's in Australia.

Sorry for any "drama" this may have caused, God knows we don't need any more in Infiniti General.

[rydwhite]

Thanks for the clarification. I was completely wrong about what this was about.

[rsiwicki]

I understand the miscommunication from the California guy and Greg so I can't fault Greg for passing on bad information and I somewhat apologize for jumping on him for that. However Greg is in this type of business and I feel that he should have been more knowledgeable of the facts such as there was never a jig made because the shop said it was too difficult and not worth their time (which they told him) yet he claims to have paid for a header jig several months ago in the archive posts. Greg knows the procedure to get another set of headers made as I have posted it here on NICO several times and discussed it with him so I got really pissed when I saw his posts from out of the "blue" about claims of a jig being made, headers copied and dynoed tested. I would like to have another set of my headers copied for other Q owners to enjoy as I really enjoy the extra power at redline and the raspy sound. Greg has done much good for NICO and I am sure that he means well, but the false statements that I witnessed don't serve any purpose and I will take these up with him outside of the forum.

If you all dislike me before or after this post then so be it. I thought about the consequences before I posted and therefore accept the outcome of such a post.

[carlos_knology]

Geez. So that's what this is all about. From a moderator, no less!!! (just kidding)

No harm no foul.

[squeefoo]

There does seem to be a collective national tension, if you watch all the markets it's there, on NICO it's there, other forums have the same things happening. I know I'm not immune either. If you open the box will the cat die?/let's not find out.

[rsiwicki]

No harm no foul.

Yes...this time there is no harm no foul as there were never any headers reproduced becuase they need my car to reproduce them.

There is a problem with the headers rubbing the steering column shaft on right hand turns every now and then that needs to be fixed so there is a design flaw in the headers that needs to be fixed. The shop is going to correct it in December, but I did not need to publicly address the problem since they need my car to make the headers anyway so I did not have to worry about somebody else spending monies on something that does not work 100%. When Greg all of a sudden states that a copy has been made then I am thinking that this guy is going to be pissed becuase they don't work correctly and he has just spent over $1,600 for something that does not work and then you have installation costs on top of that. If this guy is going to try and make a 200mph run...I would be very concerned for his safety with the steering shaft rubbing.

[IvoryJ30t]

oooohhhhhh, ive been reading through posts trying to figure out what the hell you people were talking about.