Dealer issue regarding seatbelt warranty, NEED HELP!

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Hi guys!

It was great meeting some you at Carlisle this past weekend. You all rock!
Aside from that, I’m wondering if you could help me out with some clarification on the seatbelt warranty. I’m having difficulty with a dealer over the warranty repair for the seatbelts on my 1993 240sx.
The trouble is with Gainesville Nissan of Gainesville, FL. I would use another dealer, but there isn’t any other convenient to the area.
The drivers side auto seatbelt has failed and is stuck in the “get out of the car” position, rendering it useless and a safety hazard (not to mention a traffic infraction).
My brother, who is driving the car for college, brought it in and the service manager, Stacey Calhoun (male) determined that the switch was faulty and that it would be $180 to repair. Not knowing any better, my brother left. I pointed him towards Ian’s article and he tried bringing it in again. This time the “regional manager” said "the part was no longer made by Nissan and that it was actually not a part covered under the lifetime warranty.” More on this elusive "part" later. He presses that the warranty states “seatbelt or related component.” But I digress, this is where I get involved.

I call Courtesty Nissan where I spoke with Butch. He told me that he has everything needed for a seatbelt warranty repair.

I call the Gainesville Nissan and ask for the general manager, Glenn Wood (352-378-5208). I promptly get him and inform him of the issue. He was actually quite accomodating and he says that all warranty work is appreciated since they make good money on it and would check into the situation. A half hour or so later, I receive a call from Stacey who tells me that the "signal sender unit," (previously mentioned as the "elusive part")which he describes as "the switch on the door that turns the lights on and off also sends signal to the seatbelt to lock and unlock." Sensing that he was full of it, I called my brother to check on this hypothesis. It is true that that particular switch is not functioning on his car, but it is FALSE that that switch is a function of the seatbelt. This is because the switch on the passenger side functions correctly and supplies no such "signal sending function" to the seatbelt to make it move. Armed with this fact, I called Stacey back and asked to make an appointment for him to dig into the car. He transferred me to service writer, Kevin. Appointment is set at 11:30 am tomorrow 5-14-10.

In the meantime, I file a preliminary complaint with Nissan North America as I anticipate the worst here. I should hear back from them tomorrow. I also sent an email with Ian's write up, service work orders, and warranty page from the 240sx manual to Glenn Wood as reference.

After that, I call Glenn again and leave him a message. He calls back and informs me of the same thing that Stacey said. I did not tell him that they weren’t a function of each other; I want that ace in the hole so he can see that his service manager is a lying scumbag who can’t diagnose simple issues, even when the answers are provided to him. But, I did tell him that there is an appointment set, asked if he would be around tomorrow, and that the car would be there to diagnose at the gamble of the $180 fee. He stated that he'd be "in and out of the office." Fine, at least he might have a chance of being present.

The goal tomorrow is that they will tear down the door and locate the issue and realize that it most certainly indeed is a warranty repair. However, Glenn Wood told me he contacted his regional Nissan rep who told him that "that switch isn't under warrranty." They still have no clue that they're suspecting the wrong switch!!! But I have a very good feeling that they are STILL going to try and blame the light switch and doop over a customer for a lifetime warranty repair because something as silly as a light switch doesn’t work- even though the two functions are completely unrelated!! Furthermore, I don't think they know where to get the part, so I called Stacey back and informed him that Butch at Courtesty Nissan (very helpful guy) has whatever is needed for the repair in stock. I also provided a phone number.



Its unfortunate and EXTREMELY frustrating that I can’t get honest work out of a dealer!
Does anyone have any suggestions or any other way that anyone can help me out here?
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I'm hoping not to post all over the web and have this guy deal with the trouble.
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personally, i think you're off to a great start by gathering all the info that you did, and already starting the process with nna. if i think of anything, i'll drop you a line.

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If the seatbelt doesn't work I dont' see how it wouldn't be under warranty. The page states it covers the seatbelt and components that work with it even if it is a switch or something like that.

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fiznowler wrote:If the seatbelt doesn't work I dont' see how it wouldn't be under warranty. The page states it covers the seatbelt and components that work with it even if it is a switch or something like that.
That is my response initially. Until it was realized that the switch has no relation what-so-ever to the seatbelt. I'm fearing that they're going to claim ignorance and call this wear and tear.

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i was lazy and just got the buckle to the back of the door and then unplugged the computer. they can't call it a wear and tear on a lifetime warranty. not how lifetime works.

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They have to replace it according to the DOT. That and catalytic converters failing before like 70,000miles or something.

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This is a main reason Autoseatbelts don't exist on cars anymore.

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Copied from my last post on the subject..........




Has the car been in a bad wreck
Have you modified the harness to the seat belts
Have you modified anything on the seat belt

If no, Then you have nothing to worry about. They are lying out their a**. I not only work for Nissan North America, I've had both my belts replaced for free before I became an employee. Nor did I pay some s*** diag fee.

Says right here in the "warranty information booklet"

Page 32 LIFETIME SEAT BELT LIMITED WARRANTY

WHO IS THE WARRANTOR
Nissan* warrants all parts of your xxxx Nissan vehicle seat belt system supplied by Nissan.

*Nissan indicates Nissan Motor Corporation in U.S.A., P.O. BOX 191, Gardena, California 90248-0191, which provides Consumer Service for Nissan vehicles in the Continental United States

WHAT IS COVERED AND FOR HOW LONG
This warranty covers any Nissan supplied seat belt or related component. that fails to function properly during normal use for the useful life of the vehicle. Warranty repairs are free of charge for parts and labor.

WHAT IS NOT COVERED
Damage or failure due to misuse, alteration, accident or collision damage. (proper use is outlined in your OWNER'S MANUAL)

Color fading,spotting or other cosmetic items when the belt is otherwise functioning properly.

Air bags and related electronic control systems which are covered by the Powertrain warranty.

EXTRA EXPENSES - LIMITATIONS OF DAMAGES
THIS WARRANTY DOSE NOT COVER INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES SUCH AS LOSS OF THE USE OF THE VEHICLE INCONVENIENCE OR COMMERCIAL LOSS.


OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE
You must take the vehicle to an authorized Nissan dealer in the United States or Canada during regular business hours at your expense in order to obtain warranty service. The names and addresses of authorized Nissan dealers are listed in the telephone directories.


LIMITATION OF WARRANTIES AND OTHER WARRANTY TERMS AND SATE LAW RIGHTS

ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE DURATION OF THIS WRITTEN WARRANTY.
Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages or limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights which vary from state to state.

Nissan does not authorize any person to create for it any other warranty, obligation or liability in connection with this vehicle.


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breadbox wrote:That and catalytic converters failing before like 70,000miles or something.
8 years / 80K miles for CC's, per the EPA.

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assassin7420 wrote:Copied from my last post on the subject..........




Has the car been in a bad wreck
Have you modified the harness to the seat belts
Have you modified anything on the seat belt

If no, Then you have nothing to worry about. They are lying out their a**. I not only work for Nissan North America, I've had both my belts replaced for free before I became an employee. Nor did I pay some bullsh*t diag fee.

Says right here in the "warranty information booklet"

Page 32 LIFETIME SEAT BELT LIMITED WARRANTY

WHO IS THE WARRANTOR
Nissan* warrants all parts of your xxxx Nissan vehicle seat belt system supplied by Nissan.

*Nissan indicates Nissan Motor Corporation in U.S.A., P.O. BOX 191, Gardena, California 90248-0191, which provides Consumer Service for Nissan vehicles in the Continental United States

WHAT IS COVERED AND FOR HOW LONG
This warranty covers any Nissan supplied seat belt or related component. that fails to function properly during normal use for the useful life of the vehicle. Warranty repairs are free of charge for parts and labor.

WHAT IS NOT COVERED
Damage or failure due to misuse, alteration, accident or collision damage. (proper use is outlined in your OWNER'S MANUAL)

Color fading,spotting or other cosmetic items when the belt is otherwise functioning properly.

Air bags and related electronic control systems which are covered by the Powertrain warranty.

EXTRA EXPENSES - LIMITATIONS OF DAMAGES
THIS WARRANTY DOSE NOT COVER INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES SUCH AS LOSS OF THE USE OF THE VEHICLE INCONVENIENCE OR COMMERCIAL LOSS.


OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE
You must take the vehicle to an authorized Nissan dealer in the United States or Canada during regular business hours at your expense in order to obtain warranty service. The names and addresses of authorized Nissan dealers are listed in the telephone directories.


LIMITATION OF WARRANTIES AND OTHER WARRANTY TERMS AND SATE LAW RIGHTS

ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE DURATION OF THIS WRITTEN WARRANTY.
Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages or limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights which vary from state to state.

Nissan does not authorize any person to create for it any other warranty, obligation or liability in connection with this vehicle.


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Thats exactly the type of post that I am looking for. Thanks a bunch!

The car has never been in any kind of accident and has never been modified at the harness or belt in any way, shape, or form. Its just aggravating that it takes this much effort to get something so simple completed...

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Sounds like a dealership thing to do.

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frapjap wrote:The car has never been in any kind of accident and has never been modified at the harness or belt in any way, shape, or form. Its just aggravating that it takes this much effort to get something so simple completed...
It sucks that you are having issues out of a dealer. They are supposed to be "better" service providers for your vehicle but sometimes I think they're just better at ripping you off. Hope everything works out, keep us posted.

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They definitely shouldn't be giving you crap. I've taken my Maxima to the dealer for auto seatbelt issues a couple of times...was never charged a cent.

Auto seatbelts are one of the top-ten worst automotive ideas ever.

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Argh. That sucks.

My passenger side seat belt seems to be acting rather sluggish as of the past 2 yrs (weird).
I was thinking if it were to go haywire I'd just do the Canadian/S14 seatbelt conversion...

Keep us posted. :frown:

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skydragoness wrote:
My passenger side seat belt seems to be acting rather sluggish as of the past 2 yrs (weird).
Mine too... but for about 4 or 5 years now... off and on, its really weird.

Ray, I remember talking to you about this at Carlisle. I think we both determined the dealer was full of s***. Looks like you are doing everything right so far. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a Dobbs Honda deal, where you bring the car in and get it back more effed up than when you dropped it off.

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I don't understand their beef. they're going to get paid for warranty work by Nissan.

maybe this is one of those dealers that double dips. bill the customer and get paid from corporate.

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Wow, that sucks.

Good to hear that my write up was helpful. I dont understand why they are giving you such a hard time.

Switch or not, its covered under the warranty. The warranty is meant to cover the functionality of the system, not the belts themselves.

Good luck man.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:
skydragoness wrote:
My passenger side seat belt seems to be acting rather sluggish as of the past 2 yrs (weird).
Mine too... but for about 4 or 5 years now... off and on, its really weird.

Ray, I remember talking to you about this at Carlisle. I think we both determined the dealer was full of s***. Looks like you are doing everything right so far. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a Dobbs Honda deal, where you bring the car in and get it back more effed up than when you dropped it off.

Actuallyyyyyyyy, thats did just happen. The unrelated switch that turns the interior lights on and off is now stuck in the "on" position whether or not the door is open. We've had to use masking tape to keep the button pushed in so that the lights stay off and don't drain the battery overnight!

On top of that, they did detarmine that a part of the seatbelt system was at fault and covered by warranty, but they can't find the "door lock mechanism" that failed. They say the part that failed is inside the door where it hits the striker. They were able to bypass it and the belt retracted into the locked position. At least is isn't stuck forwards!

However, they can't seem to find the part that failed. Do I REALLY need to be looking for this part and holding their hands through this?! Isn't this the dealers job????? I gave them Courtesy's number, but the guys either can't describe it correctly or have no idea what the part number is.

The situation is EXTREMELY frustrating. More calls will ensue today.

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So Stacey Calhoun is far to busy to call me back regardless of three messages left for him over two days in regards to the "discontinued part" on the lifetime seatbelt warranty.

Nissan North America is now fully involved. The rep says that they're working with Gainesville Nissan and other dealerships to find the part(s) required to make the seatbelts functional again based on the service providers claim of the failed equipment.

The rep didn't sound very thrilled to be doing the previously mentioned task, but unfortunatly Gainesville Nissan fails at doing their own research or even requesting corporate support. Shame, shame. :blush:
So much for customer service these days...

On another note, if they can't locate one and are unable to stick to their warranty, I don't know what the next step in the process should be.
Suggestions?

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If don't want to go through the BS and happen to hate Auto seatbelts ask them if they wouldn't mind putting a manual 200sx seatbelt instead. bolts right in.

NM, you have to modify the interior panels, they would not agree to this.
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I am sold on the idea that the dealer was going to charge you and then bill it as warranty work to Nissan America.

Double dipping FTW!

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Update: heard from NNA- they said that the regional manager at NNA is looking for the part. Lets hope they find it considering this is a LIFETIME WARRANTY REPAIR!

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"Lifetime" never means what people think it does. They have separate legal explanation papers for that somewhere...

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Dattebayo wrote:"Lifetime" never means what people think it does. They have separate legal explanation papers for that somewhere...
Regardless, the statement made isn't "limited lifetime warranty."

Further, I would investigate to see if the issue would then become a question of safety. I would presume that the governing body of the D.O.T would not be very happy with Nissan as a car manufacturer about this.

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frapjap wrote:
Dattebayo wrote:"Lifetime" never means what people think it does. They have separate legal explanation papers for that somewhere...
Regardless, the statement made isn't "limited lifetime warranty."

Further, I would investigate to see if the issue would then become a question of safety. I would presume that the governing body of the D.O.T would not be very happy with Nissan as a car manufacturer about this.

"WHAT IS COVERED AND FOR HOW LONG
This warranty covers any Nissan supplied seat belt or related component. that fails to function properly during normal use for the useful life of the vehicle. Warranty repairs are free of charge for parts and labor."

This is a loophole. What Dattebayo is getting at is that often times manufacturers will claim a lifetime warranty, but define a lifetime as something like the shelf life of the product, or a certain number of years.

The warranty statement in the manual is NOT the complete literature on the seatbelt warranty. It is a very abbreviated version.

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The car is still useful.

They're not going to fix a seatbelt on a 50+ year old car, that makes sense. But a car that is less then 25 years old and drives into the dealer under its own power that is registered and insured better be fixed.

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DevilMB3017 wrote:The car is still useful.

They're not going to fix a seatbelt on a 50+ year old car, that makes sense. But a car that is less then 25 years old and drives into the dealer under its own power that is registered and insured better be fixed.
I'm willing to bet they didn't plan on this car lasting 20+ years...

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regardless of what dave said, and whatever you're stating, the repairs to ray's seat belt system is in fact covered under the warranty and they should be fixing it for free.

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DevilMB3017 wrote:The car is still useful.

They're not going to fix a seatbelt on a 50+ year old car, that makes sense. But a car that is less then 25 years old and drives into the dealer under its own power that is registered and insured better be fixed.
Please provide an explanation for your line of thinking. 50 years would be 1960. There are many cars made in the 60s that could drive to the dealer under their own power. You made a distinction by saying that 50 years is too much, but 25 isn't. By doing that you are saying that there is an end to "lifetime"
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DevilMB3017 wrote:The car is still useful.

They're not going to fix a seatbelt on a 50+ year old car, that makes sense. But a car that is less then 25 years old and drives into the dealer under its own power that is registered and insured better be fixed.
I'm willing to bet they didn't plan on this car lasting 20+ years...
Indeed. Useful life in america would be 5 years or lease length, which ever is less.
numbnuts240 wrote:regardless of what dave said, and whatever you're stating, the repairs to ray's seat belt system is in fact covered under the warranty and they should be fixing it for free.

You'd think...

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The only thing my post was leading to was one thing:

That if they can't find the part for you, they aren't liable. The whole "lifetime" thing is totally up in the air purposely because of situations like this.


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