Danced with a 350Z this morning...

[AZhitman]

Early this morning, on my way to a storage unit to help hand out football equipment to kids... Bell Road (6 lanes divided) is pretty deserted and a black 350Z drops in next to me at the light. We leave normally (I ain't racing a Z, for crying out loud) but then I see he's gettin' on it. What the hell. Punch and point. Windows down, I can hear him on my front fender, but he's really not pulling away like I expected.

Next light, we slow for it, and it goes green as we're about 50 yards back. Both hammered it from approx 15mph, I'm manually into first gear, and again, up to about 90 - still not impressed with his lack of "see ya".

What gives? Is the Z all show and minimal go? I know it wasn't broken in good, since it still had dealer tags on it, and I know it was an automatic... And I certinly didn't whup him, but I'd think he should have pulled away much harder than he did, given the sounds coming from it as he rapped 1st and 2nd out hard...

[KoukiS14]

He wasn't racing, or you have a fast car.

[AZhitman]

Gee thanks...

I was actually hoping for some numbers...

[lessthanjakejohn]

Quartermile is 14.1 methinks.0-60 = 5.4

Ill go check my SCC with the best cars under 30k. I guess those will be accurate.

What are the numbers for a 95 Q45

He should of pulled away more easily wih 15+rwhp hp on you and 750+ pounds?

[AZhitman]

Me = 4100 pounds, 278hp

Not sure what I'd run in the quarter, as all i have are G-Tech times of 15.9 (avg) best of 15.7, worst of 16.1.

[Jesda]

The early (earliest, 1990) Q is known for 0-60 in 6.7-7.1 and the 1/4 in 14.9-15.3.

[Q45Viper]

I keep tellin' you guys, these cars got more grunt than you think.NOT 278HP, more like 295-310, VERY underrated. All the old tests in the magazines never put the Gen 1 Q in first gear manually. Do we understand this now? 0-60 NOT 7.0 like those tests, maybe a second or more less. More importantly, from a roll, like this case. Incredible grunt! I keep telling you guys, I owned an M5 and from a roll in second gear or above the old Q feels very similar. Hitman, you simply took him on the roll. From a standing start it probably would have turned out different due to gearing.

[AZhitman]

Well, like i said - I didn't TAKE him, he pulled (slowly) ahead from 15-35, then the pulling ceased, and up to 80 you could've tied a string between the 2 cars, his rear bumper 4 feet ahead of my front bumper.

NOT my idea of what a Z should be.

More motivation for me to buy that 4.08.

[KoukiS14]

Gee thanks...

I was actually hoping for some numbers...

Sorry dawg I've heard of stock Zs running 13.8

[AZhitman]

Automatic Z's? In the 13's?

Damn.

[stutt944]

he HAD TO have had an AT.

[SmithSR]

Car & Driver Dec'02 ran a touring spec Z at:0-30: 2.10-60: 5.70-120: 22.31/4: 14.3@100mph"Street start" 5-60: 6.0seconds

Car & Driver Aug'03 ran a Roadster(for the sake of useless trivia here):0-30: 2.10-60: 5.50-120: 22.6"street start" 5-60: 6.3seconds1/4: 14.3@99mph

Motor Trend Aug'03 Tuner section, pg 117 has factory Z at:0-60: 5.721/4: [email protected]....

While the same issue's Road Test Digest says:Touring Z '03:0-60: 5.51/4: [email protected]

Enthusiast Z '03:0-60: 5.71/4: [email protected]

Road & Track "test track data" march'03:'03 Touring spec Z 0-60: 5.61/4: [email protected]...

and the all important R&T full test numbers from March'03 issue in which they ran the "Track" Z against an M3, ZO6, and 911Targa:0-20: 1.40-40: 3.40-60: 5.80-80: 9.50-100: 14.51/4: [email protected]

Even the Aug'03 R&T Roadster test came up with similar numbers:0-20: 1.30-40: 3.30-60: 5.70-80: 9.30-100: 14.41/4: [email protected]

...I doubt a common driver will manage a high 13 second blast. One magazine managed it, and had conflicting numbers on a different page of the same issue.

[Rex]

I keep tellin' you guys, these cars got more grunt than you think.NOT 278HP, more like 295-310, VERY underrated. All the old tests in the magazines never put the Gen 1 Q in first gear manually. Do we understand this now? 0-60 NOT 7.0 like those tests, maybe a second or more less. More importantly, from a roll, like this case. Incredible grunt! I keep telling you guys, I owned an M5 and from a roll in second gear or above the old Q feels very similar. Hitman, you simply took him on the roll. From a standing start it probably would have turned out different due to gearing.

This may be "folklore", but I heard that Japanese automakers were not "allowed" to export production cars with over 280HP until the late 90's. So, based on that, some say the Q's rated at 278hp were actually every bit of 300hp.

File this in the "if it's true, it makes sense" folder.

[Mayhem_J30]

This may be "folklore", but I heard that Japanese automakers were not "allowed" to export production cars with over 280HP until the late 90's. So, based on that, some say the Q's rated at 278hp were actually every bit of 300hp.

File this in the "if it's true, it makes sense" folder.

I don't believe it was they weren't allowed to 'export' 280hp+ cars but they just couldn't make them. There was a HP cap with a very large tax increase if it was exceeded. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. That's why there were so many 279hp(300hp) Skylines.

[stutt944]

from my experience, out there on the road, only about 1 in 20 Z's is the track model. the rest are touring models with middle aged women behind the wheel, happy they've got they're little hands-free cel phone kit and all the bells and whistles of their old SC300. next one i see i'm gonna rip that ***** outta the car thru the window and climb in myself.

im bitter.

[AZhitman]

he HAD TO have had an AT.

That's not the question - I KNOW it was an auto (or the driver was a smooth-shiftin' mofo).

I'm questioning whether an auto Z could come close to 13's.

[Q45tech]

All the stock [U00] ecued low engine mileage 90 Q I have tested made close to 278 HP [217-222 RWHP..........208-195 lb/ft at drum] at 5500 and 6,000 rpm.- in 3rd gear 125 mph.

What you are missing is even a stock Q took only 17 seconds to 100 mph subtract 7-7.2 seconds for 60 mph and the 60 to 100 time was 8.8-9.0 seconds [assuming the 2nd to 3rd stift was fast].

I appears that the best Z/G takes around 8.5 to 9.0 seconds to go from 60 to 100.

It is highly likely that a good broken in 1990 Q with just a JWT ecu can out/equal accelerate the Z from 60 to at least 120 mph [as there is only one shift at 95-98 mph for the Q]. takes another 8.0 seconds [for Q] to get from 100 to 120 mph.

Chain stretch on the Q retards the exhaust cam 1,2,3,4, even 5 degrees [the intake doesn't much matter but it is retarded also] raising the rpm where peak power occurs by 100, 200, even 300 rpm resulting in more HP say 5% more at 6400 rpm than a new engine new chain..........thus 278 stock, 307 JWT, and 315 -330 or so JWT on a stretched chain...........obviously results will vary but this is my best guess. Worn rings will lower BMEP so a worn high miler may be significantly worse, back to stock, or worse! ......even with mods.

I love the 55 mph [4,000 rpm] to whatever acceleration of my Q, it beats the 2003 MB SL500 [9.65 seconds] and Lexus SC430 [9.65 secs]......60>100 by over 0.5 second.....3-4-5 car lengths.

In the heat of a race you gotta remember to shift outta second at 95 mph..........I have hit the 7300 rpm rev limiter too many times in my excitement.......scares you to death.

[Thee 240sx Owner]

I would think so.. Sense gearing is alot better on an Auto.. and much quicker but then again i don't know much bout your Q or his Z lol

[Q45tech]

The new 2003 MB SL500 has 255/45/18 on front and 285/35/18 Michelin Pilot Sport tires with a 4045 weight and turns 0.85G and 600 foot slalom at 66.5 mph...........think what the lighter Q would do with 255/50/16 Pilot Sport equivalents on lighter rims with the roll under control.

That would be the last straw after paying $100,360 for the SL.

A relatively famous ATL Germain specialty Tire multi shop owner [Hans] recently up graded to a 2003 SL600 V12 after losing to a ugly gray Q in his 2002 SL500.

Its hard to trick them into starting the race at exactly 55-60 mph with you already in 2nd. Watch out for the AMG 5.5 badging!

[Repo Man]

AZ, I don't think (in my professional, NICO-mod opinion,lol) that an auto 350Z could do better than 14.6 in the quarter, given the numbers that were posted on the 6spd model.

I have seen jEzTeR's Alty run 15.0 and it's an auto with 47 less hp, supposedly. Mid-14's at best, IMO.

[maxnix]

A relatively famous ATL Germain specialty Tire multi shop owner [Hans] recently up graded to a 2003 SL600 V12 after losing to a ugly gray Q in his 2002 SL500.

Its hard to trick them into starting the race at exactly 55-60 mph with you already in 2nd. Watch out for the AMG 5.5 badging!

For something totally sick, look at this:

http://www.treynor.com/Mercedes_Carnage.wmv (must have WMP 9, a high speed connection helps the impatient).

I just wonder what the transmission overhaul is going to cost him, but he probably thinks its all part of the price of entry.

Four cylinder automatic Hondas, anyone?

[Q451990]

A relatively famous ATL Germain specialty Tire multi shop owner [Hans] recently up graded to a 2003 SL600 V12 after losing to a ugly gray Q in his 2002 SL500.

Man I would love to have been there to see that

Heath

[rahiel aziz]

i will agree with qviper on this i have spanked so many gs400 ,bmw330 and other so called under 6 seconds cars from stop light to a roll from 60mph and up.if u dont have jwt tcu ,u have to master manual shifting the trick between changing 1st to 2nd gear at right rpm around 6500rpm stock and 7200rpm jwt ecu as dennis said.don't hold on to the shifter sometime u can change the gear earlier in excitement .so what i do put the shifter in 1st and listen to engine when rpm drops to normal around 6-7 hundered rpm ,relaxe put ur elbow on armrest and have ur right hand open palm place it next to the right side of shifter but dont touch it.light changes step on the gas and when u reaches above mention rpm slap the shifter in the 2nd and now q will show u its stuff before u reaches red line in 2nd most of the short races are over.win or lose the other guy will respect 13yr old four door car.thats what happended to guy in ford lighting he huffed and puffed but could not shake lose q off his tail.please dont power brake u will lose to a city bus.

[szh]

A relatively famous ATL Germain specialty Tire multi shop owner [Hans] recently up graded to a 2003 SL600 V12 after losing to a ugly gray Q in his 2002 SL500.

I recently beat a relatively new SL500 from a standing start at a light, although not by much, in my 1995 Q. Info is in the Speeding Stories thread.

The V12 would have blown me away, though!

Z

[AZhitman]

think what the lighter Q would do with 255/50/16 Pilot Sport equivalents on lighter rims with the roll under control.

That would be the last straw after paying $100,360 for the SL.

Based on that alone, Dennis, I'm gonna look for one to pick on.

Perhaps the guys down at Schumaker European (snotty arsehole bastards that they are) would like to offer one up on the altar as a sacrifice to the great Q.

[AZhitman]

For something totally sick, look at this

Grrr. I get the audio but no video....

[Rex]

I really expected some cool footage of the transmission going BOOM, and some guys mega-buck (MB) needing some high priced maintenance. Still pretty cool.

Wonder if a reply to AZ's post referring to user error would get me blocked?

[AZhitman]

Wonder if a reply to AZ's post referring to user error would get me blocked?

Not if you're right. :oface

The guy in the Supra woulda done even better if he hadn't been sleeping at the lights... Pretty sad launch, with all that throttle-blipping.

[sijoko]

Imagine if your Q could accelerate like that S600.

[AZhitman]

Nice, eh?

Hope his warranty underwriter can't make out the license plates...