Danced with a 350Z this morning...

[maxnix]

... Pretty sad launch, with all that throttle-blipping.

I think he had to do that to keep it running. Didn't sound like it would idle.

I wonder if we will see the video of the transmission overhaul? Still impressive for a daily driver for four.

[Rex]

Imagine if your Q could accelerate like that S600.

Car in question is a RENNTech S600, from their website ...

The RENNtech S600 with a 408 horsepower 6.0 liter V-8 has a starting price of $160,000.

Hmmmm, what could my Q do with an extra $100,000 in upgrades????

I'd hope a little more. How much did the infamous B.A.D. Q have spent on it?

[AZhitman]

I'd hope a little more. How much did the infamous B.A.D. Q have spent on it?

Nowhere NEAR that amount.

I'll bet I could put my Q into the 13's for $5K. Longevity (and comfort) might suffer, but...

[sijoko]

Doesn't the car have the twin-turbo V12?

The only thing that I admire is the performance. Otherwise, I would never want one. German cars are bad news for long-term guys like me.

How much horsepower would a Q need to be in the mid 12s? I am guessing about 400 - 450.

-sijoko

[EWT]

For something totally sick, look at this:

http://www.treynor.com/Mercedes_Carnage.wmv (must have WMP 9, a high speed connection helps the impatient).

I just wonder what the transmission overhaul is going to cost him, but he probably thinks its all part of the price of entry.

Four cylinder automatic Hondas, anyone?

Ben is my automotive hero. In addition to that, he has a couple of Vipers as well. He's a nice guy too.

[EWT]

Not if you're right. :oface

The guy in the Supra woulda done even better if he hadn't been sleeping at the lights... Pretty sad launch, with all that throttle-blipping.

Unfortunately, the typical Supra owner has no clue how to drive their car. The last time I was at Sacramento, I ran 11.90s in mine while others with similar (BPU) modifications were running low to mid 13s It's not an easy car to launch in any case, especially on street tires.

Ben must have had some kind of sticky tires to get those kind of 60' times with a 4000+ lbs. car. 1.75s are insane in a car that big and heavy. The Supra had an R/T of .781, which isn't that bad, and Ben redlighted with a .4xx R/T unless they were running a pro tree, so he left early. The Supra sounds like it is running some kind of a two-step. Mine sounded like that when I tried one out.

[maxnix]

Ben must have had some kind of sticky tires to get those kind of 60' times with a 4000+ lbs. car. 1.75s are insane in a car that big and heavy.

I think he was running slicks.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

Discover the power of the button!

[PalmerWMD]

A relatively famous ATL Germain specialty Tire multi shop owner [Hans] recently up graded to a 2003 SL600 V12 after losing to a ugly gray Q in his 2002 SL500.

Its hard to trick them into starting the race at exactly 55-60 mph with you already in 2nd. Watch out for the AMG 5.5 badging!

Thats great!!!!

Fred..:ylsuper

PS: Not so ugly anymore at least it has a wax job on it now..

[Q45tech]

I keep dreaming about a hidden progressive 50>75HP shot of Nitrous that would engage in 2nd gear only to save the transmission.Maybe knock the 50-90 time down by 0.8-1.0 second or more then you are playing with bigger boys.....need water and better fuel for 7 seconds only.

[Q45tech]

I keep dreaming about a hidden progressive 50>75HP shot of Nitrous that would engage in 2nd gear only to save the transmission.Maybe knock the 50-90 time down by 0.8-1.0 second or more then you are playing with bigger boys.....need water and better fuel for 7 seconds only.

[KoukiS14]

Automatic Z's? In the 13's?

Damn.

sorry angel tits, i missed the "automatic" part. But, maybe it was manual, but Mr. Roboto was driving it.

[AZhitman]

Settle down, Sparky - I wasn't pimpin' you out.

I honestly didn't know what they ran... I just thought they were faster than what I was running with.

All I can say is, Mr Roboto and his Z woulda got his arse whupped if I had my 4.08 installed and my "secret sauce".

[nlzmo400r]

ive seen both a 6spd 35oZ stock and an auto 35oZ stock (with nismo spoiler ) run at the drags, after about 5 runs each, the best each could rip off was 13.896 (this was a 6spd track with TCS off) and the other was a 14.487 with no TCS (base model/auto),those runs were on the same night (about 75 degrees or so, and a pretty good bit of humidity) on the same track, and in the same lane (both best times were in the left lane), and actually that black track model took out a shiny new evo8 that that ran a 14.oxx that night, the guy i was there with has a red evo8 running 12.8s, he spanked all that night (of course he only ran 3 times)

[PalmerWMD]

How much horsepower would a Q need to be in the mid 12s? I am guessing about 400 - 450.

-sijoko

Very hi 400's if backed up by a 4.08 diff and a level ten transmission.

Fred..

[AZhitman]

And even then, you'd want to go with a 4.56 like Aries is running. No need to stick to "off-the-shelf" stuff if you're going big.

[AZhitman]

the best each could rip off was 13.896 (this was a 6spd track with TCS off) and the other was a 14.487 with no TCS (base model/auto)

OK - So basically, what apparently happened was this:

The Z I played with was an automatic, possibly with a passenger (blacked-out windows). With the added weight, he's maybe a 14.6 car. Consider the fact that the car still had dealer plates, so it's not "broken in" good yet. Let's give him another .1 for that and we have a VERY ROUGH estimate of a 14.7-sec car as it was.

I'm in my mid-15's Q, running perfectly, from a 15 mph rolling start. Now it makes sense - it's no wonder he couldn't pull away any better than he did.

p.s. Consider that any car you buy off the lot has been run up to redline, possibly cold, during test drives (like this Z), and you'll see why buying something with 0 miles (or buying used) makes sense.

[Rex]

..... p.s. Consider that any car you buy off the lot has been run up to redline, possibly cold, during test drives (like this Z), and you'll see why buying something with 0 miles (or buying used) makes sense.

My boss has test drove more than one car (about 5) that he took back to the dealer and said "I'll buy, just not that one" ..... as smoke would still be coming off the brake rotors.

Also, did any one catch the line by Will Smith in Bad Boys II when he took the car Dan Marino was test driving? "Dan Marino should definitely buy this car. Well not this one, cause I'm gonna (F) this one up. But he should get one just like it."

[sijoko]

My car is in the low 14s with intake, exhaust, high stall converter, Level Ten trans. and the 4.08 gears. The last time I checked with my G-tech, my runs were in the 14.1-14.2 range with speeds of 98-99 mph.

I don't have the JWT ECU upgrade, so that leaves a few horsepower on the table.

Am I correct in assuming that every 10 horsepower is worth about .1 second in acceleration? So if the Q made around 450 bhp, then wouldn't it be in the 12s?

I read a post on ClubLexus by a guy called Mo, who stated that his previous Q45 ran mid 12s with a Jim Wolf nitrous set-up, intake/exhaust mods, and 4.08 gears.

-sijoko

[KoukiS14]

Settle down, Sparky - I wasn't pimpin' you out.

I honestly didn't know what they ran... I just thought they were faster than what I was running with.

All I can say is, Mr Roboto and his Z woulda got his arse whupped if I had my 4.08 installed and my "secret sauce".

[nlzmo400r]

every 1o hp is 'about' .1, however keep in mind, that 1ohp will have less effect on the heavy Q, add ten hp to a bike and it will be much quicker, get my point? also as far as gtech pro's, they are known to be up to .3 seconds slow, a friends of mine's civic pulls 12.7s on his gtec, however he took it to the track and ran consistant 12.4s, with his new set up he's pulling 11.9s, and the gtec says 12.1's, and i know most people here dont like civics at all,but i must admit, having people think you're a ricer because u have a 4dr green civic can be fun, especially when u have a bored out GSR motor (2.1 liters) and running custom turbo and all that good stuff and hitting mid 12s on street tires!, surprises a lot of people, even friends EVo's can't keep up, the only thing that gives him away are his bronze te-37s

[rydwhite]

I took a 350Z last night on my home from a friends house. It was about 12:30 or maybe a little later so there was no traffic. I was sitting at a stop light on U.S. 31 on the southside of Indy, actually it was greenwood, when a silver 350z pulled up beside me. He reved it a couple of times and looked over at me. The light turned green and we both floored. I got a better jump on the light than he did, and eventually pulled about 2 car lengths ahead of him before I slowed to make my turn. I was a little surprised at how easily I pulled away. Maybe he wasn't really going for it. I know that the G35 and 350Z are basically the same car in most performance respects. The 350 is supposed to have like 5 more hp, but it doesn't seem to help.

Ryan

[Q45tech]

The 0.1 sec per 10 HP came from long ago and 3600 pound cars with manual transmission. Plus it assummed the normal progression of a smooth torque curve. Back then the 4.11 rear diff and 2.5 [1st gear was king] ....about a 10.25 overall 1st gear multiplier.

Todays 5-6 AT and Manuals speeds usally have a 13-14:1 first gear vs the Q 9.85 stock............4.083 Q would be =11.37:1...[like adding 35 lb/ft to engine]..............4.85 Q rear gear would be needed to equal [like adding 90-100 lb/ft to engine] [in 1st gear acceleration] the G/Z or a Q power increase to 460-500 lb/ft................but above 60 mph all the gearing gain is gone and then weight and engine are the only criteria that count.

When you use a 75 HP Nitrous shot, that's 66 lb/ft at 6,000 and say 130 lb/ft at 3,000 rpm......around 100 lb/ft at 4500. So the 75 HP shot acts more like a 100 HP increase across the early to mid point of acceleration in each gear then settles down as the rpms climb.

Rear diff gearing acceleration is relatively free except for the gas mileage hit and extra wear and tear the 15% higher rpms create.

Years ago they used to make overdrive external cases to let owners have a 4.56 or a 3.2 final ratio........select at a stop from inside car.

[nlzmo400r]

assuming you have a 6spd and he has the 6spd as well, with good drivers and traction and such (you know all the variables) he should hit good 14.1s and hte G35's have been hitting 14.6s, which may not beat a Z, but itll run neck and neck with hte new RX8!