CVT "clutch-slipping"

[jspriddy]

I've searched and read most of the posts I thought were relevant here, but really found no one who had really resolved this issue. So at the risk of drawing the wrath of the moderator and everyone else, here goes:

I have a 2010 Rogue FWD we bought new. A few weeks later I noticed the engine seemed to "rev up" excessively at times. It usually happened after running for an extended time at highway speed, slowing down to turn and resuming speed. For example, turning off the highway and up a relatively steep hill going to our house, normally the RPM's do not go above 2500, 3000 maybe. When this happens, it will rev up to 4500 and upwards, with no or little increase in vehicle speed. Ambient temperature did not matter. For a while, I thought it was just the way CVT's were.

Then I had a chance to drive some other CVT's that did not do this, and began to think something wasn't quite right. About a year ago, I found that Nissan had a recall to reprogram the ECU. The dealer said that the transmission computer was also reprogrammed. On the way home, the car seemed to run completely different and we thought the aforementioned problem was resolved.

A few weeks ago, it re-occurred. Dealer replaced a "brake switch" (not clear on which this was) and said they'd seen this before on all Nissan models. Again, it drove so much better, no re-occurrence, and we thought the problem fixed for certain this time.

Now it's back.

My question is, has anyone had this problem and had it resolved, by the dealer or Nissan or anyone? And if so how and what?

I'm at my wit's end and ready to trade for another brand car.

Thanks and I apologize for the length of this, but wanted all pertinent information included,

John

[Chowcman]

You have extended or leftover drivetrain warranty?

Have you try between eco, normal, sport mode? Perhaps, your engine is low on power when going uphill. Newer engine have power sensing to prevent stalling. Try basic maintenance like air filter, fuel filter and spark plugs if pass 60k miles.

If no warranty, check CVT level and try DIY CVT flush. It costs same as 1 hr diagnostic fee.

[jspriddy]

I don't have the options on the transmission. It's the plain jane version CVT-just low and drive. The engine is not low on power. It has plenty when the transmission is not doing this. We only have 40,000 on the car, despite it being nearly 6 years old.

The transmission is still under the extended (10 yr.-120,000 mi.) warranty. It's been to a dealer twice with this complaint. It is just like someone riding the clutch on a manual transmission when this happens.

Thanks,

John

[ImStricken06]

thats kinda how the cvt system was designed. shoot the RPM up, to its optimal area, and let the smoothing transitioning transmission do the rest.

a lot of this also has to do with the way the driver drives. it learned you. if the clutch or torque converter was slipping, you'd know it really quickly & smell it. it wouldnt last long. and it would only happen at around 4/5/6 gear ratio's.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OMqmpjOHWM[/youtube]

[Chowcman]

Try test drive another 1st gen Rogue and complaint to the sales person if yours is diff. Free service charge that way.

Usually extend warranty have a deductible fee, maybe best to sell your car privately now before CVT become a real problem.

[jspriddy]

thats kinda how the cvt system was designed. shoot the RPM up, to its optimal area, and let the smoothing transitioning transmission do the rest.

a lot of this also has to do with the way the driver drives. it learned you. if the clutch or torque converter was slipping, you'd know it really quickly & smell it. it wouldnt last long. and it would only happen at around 4/5/6 gear ratio's.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OMqmpjOHWM[/youtube]

I don't know. I've read that these transmissions "learn" your driving habits, but that's sort of a ridiculous proposition. The car maybe used around town and very short trips (8-10 miles round trip) for 2-3 weeks, then put on the interstate for longer trips. This is two distinctly different types of "driving habits", but if Nissan engineers can't foresee that...well, these two are incongruous with each other, then my confidence in Nissan engineering was misplaced.

Would you consider "optimal" to be 4000+ rpm and not gaining any significant speed? I wouldn't.

That said, is there some way to reset this? Replacing the brake switch fixed this for several weeks. I don't really feel this is a mechanical as much as electronic issue, but you'd just have to experience to see it's not right.

Thanks, and I'd like your further thoughts on this,

John

[jspriddy]

Try test drive another 1st gen Rogue and complaint to the sales person if yours is diff. Free service charge that way.

Usually extend warranty have a deductible fee, maybe best to sell your car privately now before CVT become a real problem.

I have driven newer, still 1st generation that do not do this, but haven't driven one for an extended time to replicate the conditions that I described.

The extended warranty is the one Nissan gave on these transmissions. If there's a deductible, I didn't see it. If this is not resolved before the warranty runs out, I will get rid of it. I have over 3 years left.

Thanks,

John

[ImStricken06]

can you video this? i want to see the gauges. and yes, the car will shoot to 4,000rpm and sit there. and then sit at like 3,000 until you let off the throttle and reapply. only THEN will the rpm relax at like 2000rpm.

is the car weird? YES! but it works.... kinda. if you can get passed the 'hot-weather-whine' and the hurky jerky BS

[SlimSlammedRogue]

Try test drive another 1st gen Rogue and complaint to the sales person if yours is diff. Free service charge that way.

Usually extend warranty have a deductible fee, maybe best to sell your car privately now before CVT become a real problem.

The warranty is up to 120k with no set year, and they recommend doing the flush for a couple hundred bucks and if the problem is still there then they put in a new transmission no deductible EVER

[jspriddy]

can you video this? i want to see the gauges. and yes, the car will shoot to 4,000rpm and sit there. and then sit at like 3,000 until you let off the throttle and reapply. only THEN will the rpm relax at like 2000rpm.

is the car weird? YES! but it works.... kinda. if you can get passed the 'hot-weather-whine' and the hurky jerky BS

Yeah, but letting off the throttle and reapplying gets the same result-4000+ rpm.
The point is, when it is not "doing this", for lack of a better term, going up the hill to our house for example, it will not rev above 3000 rpm maximum, usually about 2500. When it does this, same hill, attempting the same acceleration, it will rev to 4000-5000.

I'll have to video it next time I'm on the road for a while and this happens.

Thanks,

John

[jspriddy]

Try test drive another 1st gen Rogue and complaint to the sales person if yours is diff. Free service charge that way.

Usually extend warranty have a deductible fee, maybe best to sell your car privately now before CVT become a real problem.

The warranty is up to 120k with no set year, and they recommend doing the flush for a couple hundred bucks and if the problem is still there then they put in a new transmission no deductible EVER

I thought it was 10 years. I'll have to find the letter and look again.

Have you had this problem or know someone who has?

Thanks

[jspriddy]

Try test drive another 1st gen Rogue and complaint to the sales person if yours is diff. Free service charge that way.

Usually extend warranty have a deductible fee, maybe best to sell your car privately now before CVT become a real problem.

The warranty is up to 120k with no set year, and they recommend doing the flush for a couple hundred bucks and if the problem is still there then they put in a new transmission no deductible EVER

"Please be advised that the warranty extension for your CVT (10/9/2019 or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first) is different with the CVT campaign."

This is from an email customer service sent me. If I'm reading it right, and it is somewhat ambiguous, it is 10 years. 10/9/19 would be 10 years after we bought the car.

We're planning a longer trip within a few weeks. If nothing changes or gets worse, I'm going to see how it does after 3-4 days on the interstate.

John

[Rogue One]

The CVT campaign refers to a fix for the transmission noise. "The service campaign is for 2008, 2009, and early 2010 Rogues to reprogram the Transmission Control Module and Engine Control Module software to reduce a subtle rattling noise that may come from the transmission at low speeds. The noise does not affect the performance or safety of the vehicle".

The extended warranty is to cover defective transmissions (CVT).

Nissan CVT Extended Warranty (a.k.a. CVT Customer Satisfaction Program)
Q2. What are the new terms of the extended warranty?
A. To provide customers with additional assurance regarding their overall cost of ownership we have doubled the warranty period for the transmission in all Model Year 2003 to 2010 Nissan models with a CVT. The existing powertrain warranty coverage of 5 years/60,000 miles will be extended at no cost, for CVT repairs, replacements or related towing, to 10 years/120,000 miles, whichever comes first.

This extension is effective immediately and requires no action on the customer's part. The remainder of the powertrain warranty coverage for components other than the transmission remains unchanged, at 5 years/60,000 miles, and your basic warranty coverage also remains unchanged. All other warranty terms, limitations and conditions otherwise apply.

Full details can be found here: http://www.nissanassist.com/faqs.php?menu=3

[jspriddy]

The CVT campaign refers to a fix for the transmission noise. "The service campaign is for 2008, 2009, and early 2010 Rogues to reprogram ...coverage of 5 years/60,000 miles will be extended at no cost, for CVT repairs, replacements or related towing, to 10 years/120,000 miles, whichever comes first....

Full details can be found here: http://www.nissanassist.com/faqs.php?menu=3

That was my understanding-10 yrs, 120,000 mi.

Thanks

[jspriddy]

can you video this? i want to see the gauges. and yes, the car will shoot to 4,000rpm and sit there. and then sit at like 3,000 until you let off the throttle and reapply. only THEN will the rpm relax at like 2000rpm.

is the car weird? YES! but it works.... kinda. if you can get passed the 'hot-weather-whine' and the hurky jerky BS

This is not my video nor my car, but it's from an older posting on this forum. It demonstrates exactly what my car does. It's hard to see, but on the right at the beginning of the video, the speedometer is showing any, or very little gain in speed, although the engine is revving wildly. As I said, it's just like someone riding the clutch in a manual transmission.

problem-with-accelerating-t534026.html

This is the first video in the thread, and I think the only one. It was posted by Leo2005.

Thanks, Leo

[Rogue One]

This is not my video nor my car, but it's from an older posting on this forum. It demonstrates exactly what my car does. It's hard to see, but on the right at the beginning of the video, the speedometer is showing any, or very little gain in speed, although the engine is revving wildly. As I said, it's just like someone riding the clutch in a manual transmission.

problem-with-accelerating-t534026.html

This is the first video in the thread, and I think the only one. It was posted by Leo2005.

Thanks, Leo

Wait, what? You're experiencing the exact same problem as discussed in an open thread, and decided to create a new thread?

[jspriddy]

This is not my video nor my car, but it's from an older posting on this forum. It demonstrates exactly what my car does. It's hard to see, but on the right at the beginning of the video, the speedometer is showing any, or very little gain in speed, although the engine is revving wildly. As I said, it's just like someone riding the clutch in a manual transmission.

problem-with-accelerating-t534026.html

This is the first video in the thread, and I think the only one. It was posted by Leo2005.

Thanks, Leo

Wait, what? You're experiencing the exact same problem as discussed in an open thread, and decided to create a new thread?

"Even the rpm did not go more than 2900." From Leo2005's original post.

MOST of the posts in this thread are similar to this-the engine does not respond to the accelerator: Even the rpm did not go more than 2900. So Leo was not having the "exact same" problem I was, hence a new post. He later (in 2011, by the way) posted this video as a secondary problem, which drew very little response, save one that said it was a "transmission slipping", whatever that might be.

So, my problem had not been addressed in this thread that I could find since 2011. I assumed it was possible someone in the ensuing 4+ years might have stumbled upon a solution, or maybe I would just find someone to commiserate with me.

Therefore, I thought it prudent to to start a current thread on the issue I was having, rather than continue one almost five years old that really did not address my problem.

I'm sorry if your sense of internet protocol was somehow offended, but I don't recall any conditions of membership that said you were obligated to read any specific posts.

And I find those little "smiley faces" or whatever they are, rather sophomoric. If one cannot convey the intent through his or her writing, perhaps he or she should refrain from doing so.

John

[Rogue One]

1) Chill with the attitude
2) "sense of internet protocol was somehow offended." Hardly.
3) The English language is pretty straight forward. As you said in your post yesterday "It demonstrates exactly what my car does." Had you not used the qualifier EXACTLY, I wouldn't have questioned it. If the thread "really did not address" your problem, why mention it?
4)

[jspriddy]

1) Chill with the attitude
2) "sense of internet protocol was somehow offended." Hardly.
3) The English language is pretty straight forward. As you said in your post yesterday "It demonstrates exactly what my car does." Had you not used the qualifier EXACTLY, I wouldn't have questioned it. If the thread "really did not address" your problem, why mention it?
4)

The "attitude" started with "Wait, what? You're experiencing the exact same problem as discussed in an open thread, and decided to create a new thread? " And it's not really an attitude, I just resent being reprimanded by someone who obviously hasn't read all the relevant material. And "chill"? What, are we in high school? Sure you couldn't throw a "cool" in there somewhere?

ImStricken06 wrote: "...can you video this? i want to see the gauges."

"Stricken" asked for video, and the one I provided a link to, demonstrated "...exactly what my car does." Since I'd not had time to make a video myself, I came across this one via an internet search, and the video duplicated exactly what my car is doing. The thread, had you bothered to read it in its entirety, did not.

I started a new thread because the other which contained the video, which I found after I started this one, addressed another problem. It was almost five years old and the last four years of it dealt with "loss of power", which is what the thread was about in the first place. The thread I started had nothing to do with loss of power.

Another smiley? Really? And one of some obscure television show. I should expect as much.

John

[ImStricken06]

Enough. Im serious.

John, head to the dealer. We cant know whats wrong with your car from here. The end.

[ImStricken06]

Enough. Im serious.

John, head to the dealer. We cant know whats wrong with your car from here. The end.

[jspriddy]

Enough. Im serious.

John, head to the dealer. We cant know whats wrong with your car from here. The end.

I've been to the dealer twice. That's why I posted my problem here. Most of the posts/threads here concern a "loss of power", engines that won't rev above 2900 rpm, and transmissions that go into limp or safe mode. None of these apply to my problem. There have been a few references to the problem I'm having, none of which were really addressed.

That's why I linked to the video you asked for. It duplicated my problem.

If anyone has found a solution to this problem, I'd like to hear from them.

Thanks,

John

[ImStricken06]

ok that video you referenced is pretty much how most of these cars work like. you have to forget everything you know about transmission, because with CVT's its a totally different ball-game. the engine is designed to shoot up high to get optimal torque.

if you feel like your car is behaving exactly like that video, why didnt you post in there? Leo even found a resolution for his problem.

[jspriddy]

We cant know whats wrong with your car from here

Well, this is obvious. But of all the other posts about other cars, you can know? If not, what's the point of having a forum in the first place?

ok that video you referenced is pretty much how most of these cars work like. you have to forget everything you know about transmission, because with CVT's its a totally different ball-game. the engine is designed to shoot up high to get optimal torque.

if you feel like your car is behaving exactly like that video, why didnt you post in there? Leo even found a resolution for his problem.

If this is how these transmissions work, how come it doesn't do it consistently?

I didn't post in that thread because anything addressing my problem was about 5 years old. If you'll read my original post, I'd been to the dealer two times and each time thought it fixed, only to have it return again.

Out of all the posts in that thread, only 3 mentioned the specific problem I was having. Johnny Maple's post was never answered, and Leo's was referred to one time.

Leo's last post concerning the fix was April, 2012, only 6 months after the fix. It was never clear which problem was fixed. That's been 4 years ago. Did it last? Was it a permanent fix? Four years is a long time considering how technology changes.

That thread was outdated, I merely used the video to illustrate the symptoms I was experiencing.

That whole thread was practically irrelevant to my problem.



John

[ImStricken06]

If this is how these transmissions work, how come it doesn't do it consistently?

because they are very-very sensative to heat, stress, weight, etc. ever hear the difference between your car in the cold and your car in the summer? that whine is insane during summer months.

I didn't post in that thread because anything addressing my problem was about 5 years old.

that doesnt matter. thats not how forums work. you find a thread, no matter how old it is - and post in it. no one will ever blame you for posting in an old thread. there is no reason to have 10 threads on a similar topic, just because one was old.

If you'll read my original post, I'd been to the dealer two times and each time thought it fixed, only to have it return again.

ya i read that. there's nothing we can do man. i had a brand new g37s that i had to bring to the dealer like 10+ times and open a corporate dispute. finally after 3 months of fighting they changed the transmission. sometimes you gotta raise heII

It was never clear which problem was fixed.

i belieive that bearing swap worked.

That's been 4 years ago. Did it last? Was it a permanent fix? Four years is a long time considering how technology changes.

should have asked, posted. thats why you're theory on not resurrecting an old thread is wrong. you should have asked: "Did it last? Was it a permanent fix?"

That thread was outdated, I merely used the video to illustrate the symptoms I was experiencing.

no such thing as an outdated thread. you have the same transmission in your car as i did in my 2008. as did Leo in his 2009

[jspriddy]

Leo's original post was a lack of power. His car would not rev above 2900 rpm. My problem was the exact opposite: Engine speed would shoot way up but vehicle speed would not increase.

Of all the posts in that thread, only 3 concerned the problem I was having.

I searched here and really found nothing, maybe because I used the wrong terminology. Then I searched the internet (Google) and found Leo's thread using the same terms I'd used here, after I'd already posted mine.

If there's a thread concerning the problem I'm having, I would be much obliged to be directed to it.

Stricken, you'd just have to ride in it. If this is what Nissan intended, they could become the next Edsel.

John

[ImStricken06]

no biggie.

did you find another nissan dealership to visit? did you test drive a similar car?

[jspriddy]

no biggie.

did you find another nissan dealership to visit? did you test drive a similar car?

I own a tire shop, and am in contact with several Nissan owners. I've driven other 4 cylinder CVT's (Altima and Rogues), and questioned owners of others. None exhibited this, though I did not get to drive them an extended time at highway speed first. Other owners gave me a blank stare when I asked.

I own an 1995 Maxima-I swear, if Nissan would put one of those transmissions in my Rogue, I'd be happy. That was the slickest transmission I'd ever driven. I know that's not feasible, but this has been a frustration. We're planning a 1200-1500 mile trip in a few weeks. I going to see how it performs, and go from there.


I've communicated with Nissan corporate, but was told to talk to a dealer. We bought the car at a dealer quite a distance from us, not the one that been servicing it and our Maxima. I will try the original dealer next, then demand to speak with someone at the corporate level.

John

[Aoraki]

I have exactly the same problem.

First.

I have read through both threads and the one very biggest thing I have learned is that most people haven't a clue - that they provide opinions and comments as if they just like the sight of their own name in threads. If you don't have experience or knowledge of exactly the issue of the thread you should not comment at all. The number of side issues and side conversations is just silly. Don't be an idiot and cough up your unwanted opinion just because you learned how to write and use a computer.

OK

I have the exact same problem. My Nissan Tino (2001), fantastic car, totally love it and totally adore the CVT most of the time.

Symptoms: Drive either for a long time at highway speed or in town with frequent stop-starts and then it acts exactly like the "clutch is slipping" - the revs go high but the power goes down. I always immediately find a place to pull over, turn off, and let it cool down. After I restart the sport light flashes about a dozen times but then all is fine and i can drive it again.

History: It was totally fine until i made the mistake of installing a tow bar and then hauling a few heavy loads up some nasty hills when we moved to our current house. During one of those trips is when the problem first started. It has been slowly getting worse over the 2 years since.

I took it to a transmission specialist and the idiot charged me a fortune to change a servo unit - but it had no effect. Most transmission "specialists" are literally idiots when it comes to CVTs.

Have searched about this issue. No luck, this thread is the only thread i've found. I am about to sell the car. I'd love to keep it. It's really a very good car. I could buy a second hand CVT unit and install it but how can i know that unit is ok?

Do not reply to my comment unless you know exactly what the problem is. I've a high IQ, a degree in physics, 50 years driving experience in many countries, have vehicle licenses for every vehicle type you can imagine.

I'd just like to know what this problem is.

[jspriddy]

...that they provide opinions and comments as if they just like the sight of their own name in threads.

Example:

Wait, what? You're experiencing the exact same problem as discussed in an open thread, and decided to create a new thread?