CT delegates attacked - breaking story

[wingFeather]

Should I take the high road here?

RN's post above is personal. I guess it's okay when it comes from the left?

[ishkabibble]

There's a first time for everything...

[wingFeather]

You're not helping the situation with personal insults like that.

[rn79870]

wing, maybe if you'd focus on the issues instead of the other posters, the other posters wouldn't focus on you. It hasn't gotten personal yet and if it does, the posts will start disappearing or the thread will be locked until everyone settles down.

[wingFeather]

But when I post about the issues, you ridicule my opinions. I guess you were baiting me, so you could ban me?

wing, maybe if you'd focus on the issues instead of the other posters, the other posters wouldn't focus on you. It hasn't gotten personal yet and if it does, the posts will start disappearing or the thread will be locked until everyone settles down.

[rn79870]

No one is getting banned. No one deserves to be banned for having an opinion that is different, even very different from another persons. All I'm asking is that everyone knock off insinuating that other members are participating directly, or even supporting illegal, criminal acts. Thanks.

[ishkabibble]

Honestly, everyone in this forum needs to cut out the gross mischaracterizations and blatant trolls that have been going on lately. From NICO's top brass down to us (l)users. IMO, it is getting out of hand. We're all smarter than this. (except telco. )

kudos to those who have remained level-headed.

[themadscientist]

good stuff Ish

[szh]

I guess your definition of personal attacks is different than mine.

Edit: By that, I mean that "It's okay RN & Telco, you can take pleasure in this report." is a totally BS thing to say.

I agree ... that is a personal attack and should not occur!

Z

[dickie]

this dribbling baby**** is why i steer clear of politics and politicians most of the time. i have never met any of you in real life but im sure youre all decent enough, why get personal about something as stupid and ***-backwards as our political system?

to echo and add to Z's statement, I haven't heard any of those of you with more liberal leanings condemn any of the destruction or assaults here, either. so really, what DO you guys think about the actions of these political extremists? justified because they share your beliefs (to an extent) or overboard, criminal and worthy of punishment?

[szh]

to echo and add to Z's statement, I haven't heard any of those of you with more liberal leanings condemn any of the destruction or assaults here, either.

Bob did ... right near the top of this thread.

However, I don't think I have heard of any media reports of Democrat politicians and leaders doing the same. Anybody know?

Z

[smockers83]

To go along with this, how about the people who were kicked out last night during McCain's speech, particularly that lady?

Those people just upset me that they feel they can walk in and protest during a major speech like that and disrupt the entire convention. It is a complete insult and shows absolutely no respect to the speaker. Now, I know you Democrats are going to say that they don't represent the majority of the party, but I do have to say that it doesn't make you guys look good at all. It makes me despise them even more than I did before. It makes Obama lose my consideration for president because those are the kinds of people that support him and I don't want to be associated with anything like that at all. And believe me, I was pretty close to endorsing him as well.

This will be the 2nd time that I'll have to say this, hopefully it won't get deleted this time, but I endorse the McCain-Palin ticket.

[AZhitman]

I was furious with that.

Interestingly, the DNC went off without any rabblerousing or interruption... That's called respect.

In return, the RNC gets peppered with assaults, interruptions, heckling, and domestic terrorism.

But, anything to win, right?

[srellim234]

The party that occupies the Oval Office or is the most polarized from the demonstrators is going to take the heat. There is no justification for violence. Nonviolent civil disobedience is certainly o.k. in my book and from what I read the goofballs causing the trouble were less than 10% of the total # of demonstrators.

The demonstrators were in the background of some of the news organizatons that were broadcasting outdoors at the DNC. They were kept behind the barriers but they were extremely vocal, interrupting MSNBC broadcasts multiple times.

A few are always in it just to be troublemakers, hiding behind others with legitimate (in their eyes) causes. Others are looking for a legitimate public forum in which to be heard. The RNC provided no such area to reach delegates and Congresspeople going into the conventions with their message. The official dissenting area at the RNC was a small podium and microphone set up in a small corner of a deserted parking lot about 1/4 or 1/2 mile away on the opposite side of where the delegates arrived.

For the record, I have no idea if the DNC even set up such an area or where it was located.

[dickie]

if all you have to do is provide demonstrators with the illusion of having their issues heard, understood and acted on, (which i guarantee doesn't happen whether they are voicing it on a podium a half-mile from the delegates or in their faces throwing bleach water) seems to me that you could very easily appease them by setting a few bobbleheads wearing suits opposite and letting them vent. (?)

watching some coverage of the non-violent protesters over the past few days, i recognized most as high school to college aged kids dressed in designer brands and listening to their iPods, dancing to techno, and mainly just being annoying. perhaps instead of sending the message, "youth in this country has lost its perspective and has too much time on its hands," their time would be better spent actually following the correct protocol in writing to their representatives, participating in town hall meetings and encouraging their generation to vote.

its easy to see that they are there more for themselves than to accomplish anything, and they know that. when interviewed, they will frequently recite a few lines of whatever copypasta fits their "cause" then talk about what a great time they are having socializing and comparing their piercings, tattoos and vintage clothing with each other. instead of saying, "we worked hard and got something done for the betterment of our nation," they will be telling their kids and grandkids, "man you shoulda been there it was tite we were all like no war for oil lol and mccain/bush/whatever republican is a terrorlst and omg this guy had these tite jeans and hella rad fauxhawk he was soooooo hawt!"

[Encryptshun]

I was furious with that.

Interestingly, the DNC went off without any rabblerousing or interruption... That's called respect.

In return, the RNC gets peppered with assaults, interruptions, heckling, and domestic terrorism.

But, anything to win, right?

I was furious as well. I actually shouted at the TV.

And agreed with everything but that last statement, Greg. This wasn't about "winning" - it was about attention-whoring. And I certainly doubt that those people were acting with the support and endorsement of Democrats as a whole (or even majority).

As an aside, contrast the trouble-making @sshats on the floor with the guy in the gallery holding up the "Iraq Vets Against the War" banner. He wasn't shouting, his sign didn't say "Vote Democrat". He wasn't impeding anyone else's view of the podium. He was trying to express his feelings in the hope that the man at the lectern would notice and understand that there are Americans who disagree with him and his policies -- some of them folks who answered the call to service and were boots-down in the sand.

[AZhitman]

I concur, but to imply that Mac DOESN'T know there are people who oppose his poilicies is absurd (not you, but the protester).

My point is, where was the disrespect at the DNC?

And why has the media not made a point of the fact that the DNC was unsullied by 'tards, while the RNC is treated like a free-for-all?

I'm well aware the behaviors of a few are not sanctioned by the DNC. I don't argue that at all. But it tells me something important about the voter base when one side can set aside their gripes and let the other have their day in the sun, and another cannot.

Again, these types of protest serve nothing more than to create feeligs of disdain and anger in the populace. I fullyrespect the right to dissent, and at times I even agree with the point being made by the "angry mob".

If those people were SOOO committed to a cause, they'd be doing something useful and productive.

They're not.

Therefore, their message loses any weight I might otherwise afford it.

[Encryptshun]

Understood, Greg. Sorry, I didn't mean to get off track with that.

I agree about the media coverage of the spectacles and the violence. It's horribly underplayed. As for why the reverse wasn't true, I guess there are other factors to consider as well. First, the target of the public scrutiny for the last 8 years has been the Republican administration - therefore there is a "dominant paradigm" to try to subvert. Second, while there were no covered protestors at the DNC, there are plenty of right-wing protest groups -- they just choose to protest at the funerals of dead soldiers (Fred Phelps), at Planned Parenthood clinics, and at gay clubs.

[srellim234]

I don't know all the details but there were protesters arrested at the DNC.

From the Rocky Mountain News; the totals are at the botom of the article:

http://www.rockymountainnews.c...-stay/

Nowhere near the numbers as those at the RNC, but some were there causing problems.