Coupe: 6MT or autotrans?

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:29 pm

Well, I'm entering the market. Looking at 2003's primarily... I'm noticing the 6MT's are holding their value VERY well on the open market.

That being said, I'm starting to have second thoughts on whether I really WANT a manual trans daily driver or not.

Performance is important to me, but I really don't want to make the wrong choice here.

Let's hear some pros and cons.

Post by **Fenvy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:17 pm

Sure, you can go fast but it's not a lightweight performance car. The G35 is heavy and bulky, a luxuary car for one to enjoy the ride/comfort while packing some power to go pass someone but that's about it.

you already have a manual car for racing, speeding, endangering yourself and others on the road. G35 is simply not up to the challenge for that.

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:49 pm

My turn to be the troll: You obviously haven't done your homework.

How else can you explain the handling / braking stats this car puts down?

I apreciate what you're getting at, but the fact is, this is a car that brakes better than almost any car on the road. Hard to see how that's "not up to the challenge".

Back on topic: 6MT or auto?

Post by **C-Kwik** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:17 pm

Loveless: have you actually driven one? I drive mine pretty hard everyday. It's a car that is quite easy to drive fast. Especially considering it's weight. It's not going to feel as light as an S13, but out of the box, this car feels much more sure footed. And yes it is a luxury car. But it competes with and outperforms other luxury cars in it's class that are priced much higher. And if you want to know why the car weight so much, drive one. The chassis is rock solid. So what you get is a car that performs quite well, but is very civil as well. My S14 was probably a tad quicker all around(after all my mods), but nowhere near as classy. So I get to enjoy a load of creature comforts and give up very little in performance.

And Greg, go with the 6MT. It is an absolute joy to row through all day long. Some complain about it's bolt-action like movements, but I rather enjoy that fact, you know it is in gear everytime.

Post by **Fenvy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:22 pm

what provoked that comment? Did I insult your little G35 and you got offended? awww boo boo

Not up to challenge is refering to the dead weight of 3500lb you're hauling around. Sure, it's sporty appeal includes lots of power but it is STILL A LUXUAY car. It's damn heavy and personally I feel luxuary car shoudl stay with automatic.

I don't think I said anything about braking. You already have a swapped s13. Why do you need another car to mimic performance?

The car is 1) a daily driver 2) luxuary (sport it is but still luxuary) 3) you have something with better performance potential. Given what is restated, why do you need another MT?

This forum's opinion will probably be biased toward performance. I thought I'd offer a differnet perspective, based on your need/other possession. Don't like my opinion? too bad, so sad

Post by **rydwhite** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:03 am

It is Luxury not Luxuary.

The auto is fine and the manual mode in the auto is nice, but it just doesn't satisfy the way a manual does. I have the auto and I hopeing to turn into a 6mt someday when I have the money to really put into the performance aspect of the car.

All in all, I suppose it depends on what your use of the car will be. As with every other car, if it is strictly a to and from work car, while sitting in traffic, then the auto will be fine and use the manumatic mode for fun from time to time. If you are looking for more of the fun and sports feel then go with the manual.

The car is great no matter what choice you make. I seriously doubt you will be dissapointed.

Post by **AZhitman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:50 am

I understand where you're coming from Loveless - But the point is, it's faster, more sure-footed, brakes and handles better than any stock 240.

280hp. 270tq. 3460 lbs. 14.6 1/4 mile. 1.01 g's on a skid pad. 4/10ths slower in the 1/4 mile than an SRT-4 or an EVO, corners better than a 350Z and is only half a second slower to 60 than the Z. Pretty impressive numbers.

I do own a manual trans 240, which should be at roughly 250whp. But in AZ, it's only useful about 3 months out of the year (too hot the rest of the year).

I also have an automatic "luxury" car in the Q. It runs a 15.17 on heavy wheels and tires, and weighs 4200 lbs.

So, I'm kinda on the fence here.

I'm the last person to "boo hoo", you should know that by now.

I don't own one, so I'm not looking to defend it - but to say it's "not up to a challenge" because of weight is simply silly.

Post by **C-Kwik** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:36 pm

So do you draw the line for performance car by weight? If that's the case, you can gripe about the M3, M5, and RS6(4,000 lbs) too. Yet they will probably outperform most cars on this forum.

Is 3200-3300 that much better? The Enzo and Carerra GT fit into this weight range but will outperform any car in here all around. The 06 Z is more than 3300 even for the base model. Is a stock 240sx considered a performance vehicle then?

When I look at performance and just about everything else, I look at the bottom line. What matters most are the results. If I had a 10,000 pound car that would perform as well as an Enzo, I'd still call it a performance car.

And if it's dead weight you are worried about, I assure you it's not. Part of the reason for this dead weight is the exceptional Chassis Rigidity, and very good safety ratings. The car has generous use of aluminum(suspension and hood), which would be more in tune with performance than steel parts. A very beefy and solid 6-speed tranny also contributes to solid performance(It is likely stronger than the Z32 tranny).

I think if you actually drove one, you would seriously reconsider this. I had my own reservations about having such a heavy car, but I've had mine for more than a year and it's defintely a great performer. I can do just about everything I could in my turbo S14.

Post by **Rex** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:54 pm

I made some slight edits, how's this look now?

It's not a lightweight performance car. The G35 is a luxury car for you to enjoy the ride/comfort while packing some power to go pass someone. You already have a manual car for racing, speeding, endangering yourself and others up to the challenge.

Post by **AZhitman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:07 pm

I think that's probably what he meant to say...

6MT becoming more and more tempting...

Post by **C-Kwik** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:14 pm

AZhitman wrote:I think that's probably what he meant to say...

6MT becoming more and more tempting...

If you enjoy driving a manual, you willl not be disappointed. Greg, have you test driven any 6MT's?

Post by **AZhitman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:46 pm

Just a couple 6MT sedans.

Post by **elwesso** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:14 am

I havent driven a 6MT, but i can say from driving Ryans G35 and an FX i can say the auto is nothing to be happy with, ESPECIALLY the manual mode...

You know how the Q is, you can use that gated shifter and it pretty does what you want it to do.. when you want to do it. In the G and FX, the manual mode required too much "effort" to make it work.. I often have to push it foreward a couple of times for it to shift, sometimes it wouldnt even do it... Really pissed me off because if im getting into and i want it to shift, i want it to do what its supposed to do... I dont like these new fangled automatics that try and read my mind.. JUST DO WHAT YOUR SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!

With that being said, knowing you greg, id get the 6mt personally.. Its not like you have to ferrari shift the car and the clutch isnt like pressing a brick.. it shifts fairly smooth.. plus if you are feeling lazy you can always go back to the Q.....

Post by **C-Kwik** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:19 am

I had a loaner auto Sedan for a week. I had no problems shifting the tranny in manual mode, but damn it is slow to respond. It felt very unnatural. Aside from driving on grades, I see no use for it. Leaving it in auto mode would probably even be better for track use.

Post by **elwesso** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:17 am

C-Kwik wrote:I had a loaner auto Sedan for a week. I had no problems shifting the tranny in manual mode, but damn it is slow to respond. It felt very unnatural. Aside from driving on grades, I see no use for it. Leaving it in auto mode would probably even be better for track use.

for lack of a better term, thats what i meant.

Post by **C-Kwik** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:42 pm

Kinda sounded like you were saying it just wouldn't work at all at times. In either case, I was more or less just sharing my experience.

Post by **elwesso** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:49 pm

when i say things wont work, generally that means they dont work as i feel they should

Post by **AZhitman** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:16 pm

The deed is done.

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Post by **C-Kwik** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:31 am

Congrats Greg!

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