Consumer reports says the civic is absolute garbage!

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Well, not really absolute garbage, but they say they do not recommend it.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43978645?__sourc ... &par=yahoo

The sentra got 2nd place... whoda thunk?

[IanS]

I kind of agree. I really dont like the new civics. They forgot their past a little.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

So if Toyota sucks (and has since 1998), Nissan is "meh", and Honda is slipping... who is carrying the torch for Japan?

Mazda? Subaru?

[Kompresshun]

I have to say, I can't think of a Mazda vehicle that I don't like honestly.

I haven't been interested in a Honda in years, Toyota is more meh with me, and Nissan is not quite meh yet, I still like most of their vehicles... Although Nissan doesn't really have a sedan that I'm just dying to replace my I30 with.

[themadscientist]

ZUK!
http://www.showroom-car.com/suzuki-swif ... 1030-kg-2/



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjbEH7rPNI[/youtube]

[Dittoz7]

That's cause only horny ninjas have the skills to drive it!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUhkN_VLGFg[/youtube]

[Speedy7_7]

So if Toyota sucks (and has since 1998), Nissan is "meh", and Honda is slipping... who is carrying the torch for Japan?

Mazda? Subaru?

I have a 1999 Subaru Outback with over 220k on it, but that is 12 years old, I don't know how they are these days.

[alms24sebring]

The new Civics are babyfarts now. A friend was saying its not worth buying if it doesnt rev to 8,000, which I could care less for. Alot of cars now look the same and can have the same technilogical problems. Too me cars are getting too complicated.

ALL mazdas are the same! I think Subies are well in the game and are reaching the top. Their cars are just different, but in a good way. They seem to be the ones that I hear the least amount of negative feedback.

[nissangirl74]

Test driving them all for real world comparisons....BRB.

[Dattebayo]

Hey guise. I just wanted to inform all you meddling kids that consumer reports is the be-all, end-all of sane and non-partisan decisions of all goods available these days.

FYI

[nissangirl74]

Hey guise. blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

FTFY

[Bubba1]

Hey guise. blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

FTFY

I'll reserve judgement until I read the actual article. But it sounds like CR's complaints relate only to the actual test of the newest generation model, not every Civic ever made, nor how reliable or good it will be longterm. The long braking distance should be a serious concern. The choppy ride feeling and fit/finish are a bit more subjective.

[bigbadberry3]

Not really much of a FMC or even MMC really. And all trey did for the Si was transplant the TSX engine into it and lower the red line form the 8th gen.

[simmode1]

I was considering getting out of the 240 game and getting an s2000, so I was reading up on Honda motors swap options just recently.

Apparently, Honda has pissed alot of loyal enthusiasts off with this Integrated Exhaust Manifold thing they've been putting on their motors in recent years. It's basically the worst designed header you've ever seen casted (and unremoveable) right onto the cylinder head. Word is this new Civic has that same feature.

It's supposed to reduce weight & improve emissions, but absolutely throws performance out the window. No thanks Honda. I'll stay where I'm at.

[Dattebayo]

Hey guise. blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

FTFY

But come on, seriously. It feels like there is some kind of conspiracy with the stuff they recommend sometimes.
For example, their power-tool ratings are always waaay off. Using their issues to find a good phone is also a mistake

[simmode1]

Sidenote: Dattebayo, you ever watch the 'Sonic For Hire" shorts on youtube? Go do it. You will lol.

[Jesda]

I tried wiping my a** with issues of CR but the fibers in the paper are too rough.

I give it half a black circle.

[frapjap]

I tried wiping my a** with issues of CR but the fibers in the paper are too rough.

I give it half a black circle.

[alms24sebring]

Apparently, Honda has pissed alot of loyal enthusiasts off with this Integrated Exhaust Manifold thing they've been putting on their motors in recent years. It's basically the worst designed header you've ever seen casted (and unremoveable) right onto the cylinder head. Word is this new Civic has that same feature.

It's supposed to reduce weight & improve emissions, but absolutely throws performance out the window. No thanks Honda. I'll stay where I'm at.

Are you effing serious!? How is that in any way better? They mean to tell me that the weight of eight bolts is too much? I bet it costs alot more to make it a 1 piece mainfold and head than just simple bolt on exhaust manifold. And I bet there is a cat right there, a foot down the pipe. What if that goes bad? This is what I mean, trying to improve stuff only makes it harder and more unnecessarily complicated.

[C-Kwik]

Are you effing serious!? How is that in any way better? They mean to tell me that the weight of eight bolts is too much? I bet it costs alot more to make it a 1 piece mainfold and head than just simple bolt on exhaust manifold. And I bet there is a cat right there, a foot down the pipe. What if that goes bad? This is what I mean, trying to improve stuff only makes it harder and more unnecessarily complicated.

Its not the weight of eight bolts they are merely contending with. First, the aluminum is a lighter material to work with. Second, a separate manifold requires a rather thick flange. Third, the parts of the head that hold the stud need to be able to cope with the mechanical stress of torquing down the manifold and the forces tugging at it. Lastly, with the integration of the manifold, the port no longer needs to clear the valvetrain enough to leave a flat surface to mount a manifold to. This means, the manifold could actually be a little closer to the cylinders, which translates to less material needed (less weight). Doesn't make it any better from a tuning standpoint, but there are good reasons to engineer it this way. Cost would probably be cheaper as well.

I'm not sure why you think a catalytic converter failure would be harder to deal with. Many current vehicles integrate the catalytic converter with the manifold. This can make it rather pricey and sometimes a PITA to replace. An integrated manifold design would ensure a catalytic converter would have to bolt on after the collector. I would much rather be able to unbolt the cat on my Titan than to remove the entire manifold. What am I missing here?

I did seek out some photos of the design to get a better idea of how it looks and here is a representation of it:



So what's the first thing I thought? All you need is an adapter to stick a turbo on there. HMMMM? The only questions in my mind are whether or not the integrated manifold design allows enough heat transfer to keep the temperature under control so the manifold section doesn't melt and is the cooling system up to the task of carrying that much heat away? Assuming they can, I say screw headers. Go straight to a turbo. More power anyways...

[carloslebaron]

I'll hope the Honda Civic Si still is good, even if not recommended. A brother in law owns a 2010 model, the vehicle in cool. The 2012 looks nicer, but the ad appears to be directed for children rather than for adult drivers.

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-si-coupe/

[alms24sebring]

I was kind of being rediculous in the last post. Now that I have a picture it looks like a good idea but strictly for economy cars without the option of a turbo or big aftermarket parts. But I do see.. turbo bolted directly onto the head, but that looks like alot of heat in one spot. I think some hardcore race guys might take a look at this for clearance or better design.

I pictured idk, like exhaust tubes welded on or something. I also pictured it having a cat so close like they do on alot of newer cars without a bolt until the flexpipe, ie; all 1 piece until then. Meh, I still wouldnt buy one.

[Bubba1]

I tried wiping my a** with issues of CR but the fibers in the paper are too rough.

I give it half a black circle.

But in Consumer Reports' most recent poop wiping tests, they determined that although CR pages were smaller and more coarse, they were still more absorbant than Oprah Magazine or Martha Stewarts Living ...

[MinisterofDOOM]

The only reason CR gets first pick on wipe duty is that Motor Trend's pretentiously glossy pages (used to display large pretentiously-posed photos to obscure and reduce space for poorly written articles with copied-and-pasted generic praise for whichever model hit dealers most recently) don't perform well at that task.

ACtually, come to think of it, I might actually hate MT more than CR. At least CR believes it knows what it's doing. MT is just blatant advertising cover to cover.

[LEMHEAD16]

The GM LFX 3.6 liter V6 has added integrated exhaust manifolds eliminating 18 parts and 13 pounds from the engine. Improved intake and exhaust flow add 11 horsepower over the previous generation of the motor.

[Bubba1]

Ok, I just got the issue. They did not say the Civic is absolute garbage. That's an big exaggeration. What they did say was when they put the newest generation base Civic (LX automatic) thru their standardized tests and it did not score as well as the previous generation Civic LX. They noted that sometimes happens with freshly redesigned models. It's noteworthy because this represents the first time a Honda model scored lower in their tests than it's predecessor. As info, the newly redesigned VW Jetta also scored worse than it's predecessor and it scored lower than the Civic.

CR's Civic review was also not all negative. They liked the Civic's fuel economy, engine, transmission, roominess and expect it to be reliable. They basically opined that Honda seemed to take a step back in fit/finish, and went cheaper with interior materials, plus the base model is not as agile as the previous one. I believe most of the other automags griped about it's handling too.

I have not test driven a new Civic yet, I'll have to check it out.

As info, for small sedans, the Hyundai Elantra GLS scored the highest, followed by the Nissan Sentra 2.0SL

[jbracy7]

uhhh duh!!! fwd is almost alway's garbage, but hondas are chick cars anyway soo quit ya belly aching!!!!

[Bubba1]

uhhh duh!!! fwd is almost alway's garbage, but hondas are chick cars anyway soo quit ya belly aching!!!!

BZZZZT. Honda has made plenty of nimble, fun to drive FWD cars over the years: RSX, TSX, TL S , Integra, Prelude si, the original Civic Si. They are no more "chick" cars than a 240sx.

[Kompresshun]

BZZZZT. Honda has made plenty of nimble, fun to drive FWD cars over the years: RSX, TSX, TL S , Integra, Prelude si, the original Civic Si. They are no more "chick" cars than a 240sx.

^X2, The TSX is at the top of my list for my next car and so far I haven't found anything else that I like better, aside from the Subaru Legacy. Even the newer Civic Si's are awesome, mainly in hatchback form though.

[jbracy7]

the only car honda ever made right was the s2000,disagree if u want but its my opinion,all right i like the 96-98 prelude si too but its a sercet so shhh!