Congratulation USA!

[S13_love]

I love anchorman!

"Milk was a bad choice..."

[themadscientist]

News team assemble!

[audtatious]

Ron Paul on Obama's inauguration speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5LSyFemj4c

[Cold_Zero]

Dr Paul need to step closer to the microphone.

I must admit, I let my view on America's foreign policy skew my view on Ron Paul as a candidate. I should have given him more support.

[HashiriyaS14]

LOL!

Did your Jesus Obama tell you to do that?

You can call people queers but not morons? I guess their about sixes.

You're a queer too Hash.

You have email.

[telcoman]

I just finished watching the inaugural speech and I want to congratulate you guys down under on your awesome president. I hope this is the start of change for the better for your country. I really do! I can't wait to see the USA become a leader in terms of justice and quality of life. May this be the begining of a better world for you guys and the rest of the world!

Mehdi

Feel free to join millions and possibly billions around the world doing the happy dance now that Bush is gone.

Grab a beer, turn up the sound and dance.

http://www.oneeyedparrot.org/obama.html

It interesting how so many people around the world follow American politics.

What was really amazing was all the school children around the world so happy to see Barack Obama elected president and speaking perfect english..

GWB did have some people fooled some of the time but Abe Lincoln said "you can't fool all of the people all of the time"

"Won't get fooled again" by The Who should keep the Happy Dance going?

In my opinion, I doubt that you will see another American Republican elected president for a very long time after what Bush did to the American people over the past eight years.

Telcoman

[audtatious]

Don't forget to add "In my opinion". We all know that Obama is the best President we have ever had and has had that title for the last 6 months......

[Cali 2 Balti G]

They both messed it up, probably why I said this.

Jesus, you need to get off the man's nuts. If you can't stand somebody pointing out an innocent mistake the man made how are you going to deal with it when and if he spins the country into a deeper recession?

I didn't say that guy. Here is what I said, again I repeat myself that you might hear it THIS TIME.

There were people in the crowd very happy about this turn of events and I get that. The ones raising their hands to the sky and towards the man with tear-streamed eyes shut as if recieving the blessing from on high were disturbing for the reasons I identified.

Obama has not been held accountable for anything thus far, why should those of us who don't sip the koolaid served at this cult of personality expect anything to change. None of the fundamental questions I had about him were ever answered, nay, even entertained by the mass media and those who think he walks on water.

This election mattered to a lot of people, including me. That is why I rushed to vote against this man. I gather from your rush to attack me that you are one of the people that I pointed out, that thinks he is "the one". I never said I don't understand how the cult of obama feels, I said it is scary. If you think because Myself and those who think as I do, namely for myself, not as I am told to by Bruce Springsteen, are going to stop scrutinizing Barry because he duped enough people to get in the office you are stunningly mistaken.

I will watch him with great interest and if he steps on his crank I will call him on it. If he turns out to be a gamble, which is what he is, he has no record; that pays off, I will be in the crowd that gives his due credit. I don't want him to screw up, if he does we all suffer. I hope he will shed some of his hard left ideas and move towards the center.

I won't comment further on the oath.

As for my response to your other comments - let me clarify that no where did i attack YOU - that is not my style. Feel free to quote me if necessary. So as a moderator I would please ask you to correct your words.

I responded to your comment - where yes you used the words "some People" - but you also used the words "confused masses" which suggests somewhat more than "some". Either way it doesnt matter. My comments stand - since you dont understand these people and what they feel - how can you discount them (confused masses).

For the record I know of many many people who prayed FOR Obama. I don;'t know of a single one that prays TO Obama. The words gods, messiah, christ etc to describe Obama come from his detractors not his supporters.

[yotik]

Mehdi

Feel free to join millions and possibly billions around the world doing the happy dance now that Bush is gone.

Grab a beer, turn up the sound and dance.

http://www.oneeyedparrot.org/obama.html

It interesting how so many people around the world follow American politics.

What was really amazing was all the school children around the world so happy to see Barack Obama elected president and speaking perfect english..

GWB did have some people fooled some of the time but Abe Lincoln said "you can't fool all of the people all of the time"

"Won't get fooled again" by The Who should keep the Happy Dance going?

In my opinion, I doubt that you will see another American Republican elected president for a very long time after what Bush did to the American people over the past eight years.

Telcoman

I think youre right

[ilovesideways]

you can have obama...I'm counting the days until he is out of office. Hey maybe we'll get lucky and he will get impeached.

[themadscientist]

I won't comment further on the oath.

Because you concede they both screwed it up or you just have no more momentum?

As for my response to your other comments - let me clarify that no where did i attack YOU - that is not my style. Feel free to quote me if necessary. So as a moderator I would please ask you to correct your words.

You definitely came at me teeth snarling and you know it, it oozes out of your post. I don't feel you attacked me personally but you did come after what I said which is what debate is about so I don't mind, it is proper. That is probably why I didn't suggest you attacked me in that way. The trouble here is you would like me to "correct" something I didn't do, I will leave you to play that out in your head because that is the only channel that show is on.

I responded to your comment - where yes you used the words "some People" - but you also used the words "confused masses" which suggests somewhat more than "some". Either way it doesnt matter. .

There are no polls to this effect but looking at that crowd about half are people who still have their head screwed on straight and display what would be expected at the inauguration of a president they want, the other half look like they are attending a revival and about to dance around with snakes and speak in tongues.

Now let's analyse what I said for the third time because you seem to see what you wish to see.

Some def, from Webster one indeterminant quantity, portion, or number as distinguished from the rest.

No mention is made of proportion, 99.9% is still "some". Some is a device I use to seperate the attendees who voted for Obama because he shared their values and upon careful examination passed muster from the following.

Confused masses def, from me Way too many spooky looking waterheads dancing around like christ walked the earth again while at a political function to suggest his victory and enthusiasm for his coming administration is 100% based upon rational thought.

My comments stand

Are you attempting to suggest I would remove your comments? I would like you to try something though that you so adamantly believe I should do, correct your words.

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since you dont understand these people and what they feel - how can you discount them (confused masses).

That is quite a leap you made there with no evidence to that effect and you should correct yourself. At no time did I say I "didn't understand". I can "understand" a myriad of behavior and motivations while at the same time not condone it, be appalled by it, and dismiss it as repugnant.

For the record I know of many many people who prayed FOR Obama. I don;'t know of a single one that prays TO Obama. The words gods, messiah, christ etc to describe Obama come from his detractors not his supporters.

I think you will find that most negative rhetoric aimed at a person come from DETRACTORS, kind of the point of calling them that.

We again come to a point where I suggest you correct yourself. I never said they prayed TO Barry but rather treated him as christ, as the messiah, which they have and continue to do. Ask yourself what would HE do?

[telcoman]

you can have obama...I'm counting the days until he is out of office. Hey maybe we'll get lucky and he will get impeached.

I'd be interested to hear as to why you feel that way?

Telcoman

[ilovesideways]

I'd be interested to hear as to why you feel that way?

Telcoman

Personally I believe he is a threat to National Security and may be a cause of more attacks on America. He is shutting down Guantanamo and other CIA prisons and doing what looks like opening us up for more attacks. He is letting our guard down and trying to convince us we will be safe without these security measures.

[themadscientist]

I am not rooting for obama to fail, some of his plans yes but overall I hope he does the right things for the country. The prosperity of my country always comes before my political partisanship. He scares the hell out of me but he da man for the next four years at least whether I like it or not so I hope he lives up to the hype that never swayed me.

[yotik]

Personally I believe he is a threat to National Security and may be a cause of more attacks on America. He is shutting down Guantanamo and other CIA prisons and doing what looks like opening us up for more attacks. He is letting our guard down and trying to convince us we will be safe without these security measures.

Yeah this bugged me when I first heard it too. I mean torture doesn't need to be carried out (neccesarily) but to let them free is a disservice to America. It seems like hes trying to create peace with the terrorists, but from the ex solders ive talked to that will probably never happen. Once a terrorlst, always a potential terrorlst

[S13_love]

Personally I believe he is a threat to National Security and may be a cause of more attacks on America. He is shutting down Guantanamo and other CIA prisons and doing what looks like opening us up for more attacks.

Im really having trouble seeing how shutting down a prison makes us more vulnerable to attacks.

He is letting our guard down and trying to convince us we will be safe without these security measures.

Huh?

[480sx]

You really think that our government would be stupid enough to let someone who is a serious threat to our country out of our grips? The ones who are a real danger will be moved, secured, and no one will ever hear of them again.

This whole sub conversation is ridiculous. Just because were closing GTMO and some CIA prisons doesnt mean were just going to let people who are serious threats to the US go. You would be a fool to think that any president would do such things.

[audtatious]

If it were Bush you would have believed it

[themadscientist]

You really think that our government would be stupid enough to let someone who is a serious threat to our country out of our grips? The ones who are a real danger will be moved, secured, and no one will ever hear of them again.

Yes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1Oct2

The legitimacy of the reasoning behind allowing ole BL to walk could be debated, I can sympathize with the tenuous nature of the situation, at the time it was shaky but do you think Bush would have agonized over it? Nope, he had Gitmo, the loophole that could have taken this animal out of circulation.

Bin Laden's good fortune in slipping through U.S. fingers torments some former officials with the thought that the subsequent attacks might have been averted.

[Jesda]

You really think that our government would be stupid enough to let someone who is a serious threat to our country out of our grips?

Did you think our government was smart? Did you suddenly start to believe the federal government was all of a sudden operated intelligently just because BH Obama was president for 4 days?

[480sx]

Ok, let me rephrase. You really think that our government would be stupid enough to let someone who is a serious threat to our country out of our grips again?

Jesda - Our government has learned a lot in the last 7 years. More so the top military brass and the intel community. Smart? No. Incomprehensibly stupid? No.

Sidenote- Im not a lamma, although it makes sense that you would have labeled me one because your ability to read my posts and understand them lacks..

[Jesda]

Ok, let me rephrase. You really think that our government would be stupid enough to let someone who is a serious threat to our country out of our grips again?

Jesda - Our government has learned a lot in the last 7 years. More so the top military brass and the intel community. Smart? No. Incomprehensibly stupid? No.

Sidenote- Im not a lamma, although it makes sense that you would have labeled me one because your ability to read my posts and understand them lacks..

The frightening reality of red tape is that no matter who is in charge, they still preside over a system of complex rules, regulations, and technicalities. Any of those can trigger an "out" for a violent criminal.

As I said in the thread about the death penalty, our justice system is a mess. It functions, but poorly.
Modified by Jesda at 3:31 PM 1/24/2009

[yotik]

You really think that our government would be stupid enough to let someone who is a serious threat to our country out of our grips? The ones who are a real danger will be moved, secured, and no one will ever hear of them again.

This whole sub conversation is ridiculous. Just because were closing GTMO and some CIA prisons doesnt mean were just going to let people who are serious threats to the US go. You would be a fool to think that any president would do such things.

I hope your right. But ive learned to never trust what you hear in the media. At any rate, hurray Obama! ............

[480sx]

You seem to be unable to read and comprehend your own posts, washing over them as if they never happened. This is a trend.

The only reason i rephrased is because of the OBL remark. In reality, there could be a myriad of reasons we didnt take him when we had the chance. When i say 'Our Government', it should be understood that im talking about our current government. My statement was taken out of context, and you jumped all over the chance to discredit me without ever really taking the time to think there was a possibility that my statement was sound. A trend of your own.

My original statement was not washed over, it was strengthened with an addendum and a little humor. Simply because i dont get my point across 100 percent the first time doesnt mean my point is negated.

A trend you say? So im some sort of flip flopper! Your actually trying to swiftboat me or something? Your right brain is furiously trying to label, and you continue to use your fallacious approach when arguing with me.

I back my sht up, always(except that one time ). If i cant, i concede and assimilate.

[Jesda]

The only reason i rephrased is because of the OBL remark. In reality, there could be a myriad of reasons we didnt take him when we had the chance. When i say 'Our Government', it should be understood that im talking about our current government. My statement was taken out of context, and you jumped all over the chance to discredit me without ever really taking the time to think there was a possibility that my statement was sound. A trend of your own.

That's what I was hoping to get from you -- clarification.

Anyway, my assertion is this -- that no matter who is in charge of the legislative or executive branches, the judicial system is still a complicated mess. On numerous occasions, technicalities are all that are required to let a criminal go free.

I don't believe it is anyone's intent for this to happen, but it does happen. An excess quantity of cases, clogged courts, and crowded prisons contribute to the problem. While the executive branch makes nominations, it does not run the judicial branch once those judges are nominated.

So, yes, it is POSSIBLE that a homicidal whackjob could end up walking. It has happened, but I don't think it justifies leaving Guantanamo open. I see the facility as ineffective and wasteful. I think we agree that torture and indefinite imprisonment without trial are wrong and useless at achieving our goal of eliminating terrorism.
Modified by Jesda at 12:40 AM 1/26/2009

[yotik]

The only reason i rephrased is because of the OBL remark. In reality, there could be a myriad of reasons we didnt take him when we had the chance. When i say 'Our Government', it should be understood that im talking about our current government. My statement was taken out of context, and you jumped all over the chance to discredit me without ever really taking the time to think there was a possibility that my statement was sound. A trend of your own.

He does this often. Hes either a good debater, or a very bored college dropout with an extended vocabulary. I hope the first is true. And if so he needs a show on cnn

[audtatious]

I think we agree that torture and indefinite imprisonment without trial are wrong and useless at achieving our goal of eliminating terrorism.

Take no prisoners approach would be a good point to make.