Clipsed's new HID project (56k death. Maybe DSL death too.)

[Clipsed]

criticism is welcome, but not when it is in such a negative way. Instead of making the post you did, you could have asked what the reasoning behind all of this work is for, instead of jumping the gun and make a negative comment the way you did. This was a big problem in my last thread, and EV made sure that it did not happen again as it had got out of hand.

My intentions here are to have better lighting. If you notice, the lights on the Versa, or any car that uses halogen based bulbs are not as effective at lighting up the road as HID bulbs are when they are in the proper housings, which about 95% are in projectors, the other 5% use specially designed HID reflectors like halogen bulbs use, but they do not blind people, as they are designed specifically for that use. If you have not noticed, I have posted pictures before comparing halogen headlights to HID headlights, and a comparison to all the people who just take HID kits and throw them in their stock halogen reflector housings and blind everyone.

My intentions are to educate you all, as I know there are a few people on this board who think throwing HID bulbs into the Versa with Kelvin of 6000K and 8000K and so on are cool and blue, and light up the road better, well they don't. In most cases they make it worse for both you AND oncoming traffic. 4300K is the whitest, and the brightest. BUT do not get confused with Kelvin which is the color temperature, as light output is measured in Lumens.

I will have to get some pictures, and make a new thread with a write up explaining into depth so that it is understood better, because a quick explanation does not help anything. I hope that this helps a little, and I hope that you are able to understand enough not to criticize me as being a headlight freak, as I am not. I am just mearly improving my night time vision of the road, and if you don't believe me, the next time you are next to a Porsche, see whos lights are better, because that Porsche is easily going to light up 5-6 lanes of the freeway while the Versa will light up maybe the lane you are in and half of each lane next to you. If you drive next to a Porsche with HID projectors, you can then know what my lights are going to be like compared to the Versa, as the lights I have are out of a Porsche Carrera/Boxter/Bentley Continental.

[Clipsed]

OK here are some very quick comparison shots, please excuse them as they are not the best, I underexposed a couple of em, but you will get the idea, or atleast I hope.

Please note that every headlight was a single headlight to compare, so ouput would be DOUBLE for every picture.

Here we have a stock 2001 Mustang headlight with 9007 Syvania Silerstars.



As you can see from the photos, the light does not brighten up much, and is very dull and yellow.

Next we have a Porsche projector utilizing a Phillips 85122+ 4300K D2S HID bulb, and a Toyota/Lexus Denso Slim D2S ballast.





As you can see the light is very wide, and intense and almost pure white. For this pic I had to actually move the camera back about 15 feet so that the whole beam and foreground would fit in the picture.

The last would be your stock Versa Headlight, which I threw my Phillips 85122+ 4300K D2S HID bulb, and Toyota/Lexus Denso Slim D2S ballast in the stock headlight, and you can see how light is EVERYWHERE, and not concentrated on the road where it should be, not only does this pose a problem to you, as you can't see very well, but it also is a danger to the drivers in front of you, and coming towards you, as they are being blinded by the intense light going everywhere but on the road!







So as you can see, doing what I am doing, is the best lighting designed for cars thus far, which is the reason why I am doing my headlights to utilize HID projectors!

So you tell me what you would rather have!??

Also realize that most people have cheap HID kits which are not as intense as REAL HIDs are, and most have either blue, purple, UV, or pink HIDs in their headlights, which put out LESS light, but is STILL just as blinding.

Hope that quick explanation helps.

[Ever Victorious]

Sorry I didn't realize that this had become a forum where critical posts were not permitted.

None of the moderators came after you on this post. That should tell you something about what is and is not permitted, so you might want to just consider the validity of your sentence there.

My first post was not rude. Guess I forgot to add the LOL after it which seems to make everything ok. I thought I was allowed to look at any thread I wanted and post responses to that thread. This IS a "discussion" board after all. I made no personal attack nor intended any ill will. I was merely commenting on what seemed to me to be a large amount of bandwidth used for pictures which showed the same thing. As I said in a post someone felt fit to delete, I appreciate clipsed's contribution to this board and his enthusiasm for his projects. Even if I still dont get it.

Kimber was expressing her opinion. Just as you expressed your opinion to Clipsed. Your reaction is bordering on "I'm the only one allowed to express a critical opinion. You're not allowed to!"...

There's not going to be any disciplinary action on any parties here in this thread. It hasn't even come close to warranting it. I just wanted to point out that you acted in a rather hypocritical manner in this thread. You can dole out the criticism as long as it's within the reasonable bounds of the FAQs and TOS, but you have to expect that it will be dished back.

Clipsed - I understand the premise of what you're trying to do here. I guess I would have to see an actual application on the road, both driving in it and having one drive at me at night, to understand what you can do with this.

I had an old Subaru XT coupe that used the ancient H6064 sealed-beam halogens. It would take them a grand total of 3 months to yellow out and fade, those lights were HORRIBLE. Then one day I found an H6064 to H4 conversion kit, and it was night and day between the two setups. The Subaru (a 1987 model, no less) suddenly bumped up to nearly the same light output as our Tucson, and it was pure white instead of yellow!

I can understand in certain situations the need for more/better light. So far, however, I have not personally seen that need with the Versa. I might have a better idea of what a V looks like coming at me in a few months when I will actually be driving at night.

[Clipsed]

you missed a couple posts EV.

Anywho, the light output on the V isn't too bad, but as you can see in the above pic the output on my Mustang is, and my Sidekick is just as bad. You really need to drive in a car with HIDs to understand the benfits.

[bosoversa]

im kinda with marleyfan on this. this is a forum for versas, not advancements in the technologies of lighting. almost everyone knows "the benefits of HIDs". im pretty sure Nissan knows the benfits also, but didnt see fit to include them on the american model Versa. if you want to redesign the wheel on versa headlights then thats cool, but xB headlights on a sidekick? and the only real problem with this thread is the im-better-than-everyone attitude. youre basically saying everyone here is dumb when it comes to lighting, and if they dont have headlights like yours, then their stock headlights suck.

/rant

[Ever Victorious]

And now you're being more directly insulting.

Stop it.

Though he may personally be using a project of a Sidekick (because, if you weren't paying attention, his Dad decided to take the Versa away and give it to his sister), the technology he is describing has an application on the Versa anyway.

If you don't want to read what Clipsed is posting, don't open the thread. You now know what the content of this thread is.

I've tried to just sit back and let this run its course. I won't however, stand for people picking pointless fights on this board, which is now starting to show a borderline case of in this thread. So with respect to degrading and insulting him for his choice of topics, it ends now. First and only warning.

[shreqboi909]

this is a forum for versas, not advancements in the technologies of lighting. almost everyone knows "the benefits of HIDs". im pretty sure Nissan knows the benfits also, but didnt see fit to include them on the american model Versa. if you want to redesign the wheel on versa headlights then thats cool, but xB headlights on a sidekick? and the only real problem with this thread is the im-better-than-everyone attitude. youre basically saying everyone here is dumb when it comes to lighting, and if they dont have headlights like yours, then their stock headlights suck.

/rant

well, most things we do to the versa comes from ideas on other cars.....so i dont know whats wrong with showing us what clipse has done on other cars that can influence our decision on what we want on the V.....and not everyone knows the benefits to HID's, some dont even know what HID stands for, many people thinks it a virus or an illness....lol.....and as to him being better then everyone attitude, i think he deserves to pop his collar on this one as he is putting to gether the headlight assembly from multiple cars to make one that is superior to the rest, which to me it proves he is better than many...i mean, have u tried that before and succeded?!?!? yeah, didnt think so....lol....im not being aggressive here or trying to be rude, im just touching he surface of every subject u brought up....and clipse, do the damn thang!!! lol

[Clipsed]

(because, if you weren't paying attention, his Dad decided to take the Versa away and give it to his sister)

o0o for goodness sake EV please edit this post!!! She is not my sister by any means, she is simply the daughter of my dads new thing! HAHAHA

Anywho, thanks for that EV and Shreq.

im kinda with marleyfan on this. this is a forum for versas, not advancements in the technologies of lighting. almost everyone knows "the benefits of HIDs". im pretty sure Nissan knows the benfits also, but didnt see fit to include them on the american model Versa. if you want to redesign the wheel on versa headlights then thats cool, but xB headlights on a sidekick? and the only real problem with this thread is the im-better-than-everyone attitude. youre basically saying everyone here is dumb when it comes to lighting, and if they dont have headlights like yours, then their stock headlights suck.

/rant

If you don't like my post, then why subject yourself to posting in it? This project was a project I had started getting everything together for before the Versa was viciously taken away by my o0o so not loving father, whom I spoke to today about it, and it looks like it is just going to collect dust in his backyard due to his stubborness and thickheadedness (is that a word? HAHA) And no, EVERYONE does not know the benefits behind HIDs, most do not even know what HID stands for, much less how to properly use them. But why are you saying its ok to redesign the headlights on a Versa, but if I put Xb headlights on a Sidekick it is not? I guess the funny thing will be getting my car finished up quickly, getting some sponsors, winning some car competitions, and getting featured in a magazine, than you will make fun of me won't you. I never in any way said that I was better than anybody in any manner, I am simply just sharing my knowledge with the fellow members of our community, if you do not wish to learn new things, and continue to insult me or any other members, then do it in your head, and cease all your posts. I am not saying that people are dumb either, I am simply showing them what benefits they can reap with HID lighting properly installed in their car.

No need for you to respond to any of this, because well, I can careless what you have to say, just kick back, and enjoy Nico, and think of me as not being a poster here on Nico if that's what blows your skirt.

[Ever Victorious]

o0o for goodness sake EV please edit this post!!! She is not my sister by any means, she is simply the daughter of my dads new thing! HAHAHA

Eh, close enough. still hate-able.

[bosoversa]

jeeeeeez! i know im not the only one that thinks almost 99% of your posts are arrogant. you act like some seasoned master craftsman whos teaching us your great ways. id love to see you winning "shows" honestly, but get off your high horse... youre a kid whos daddy took away his versa.

what little bit i have ever posted here was intended to be informative regarding the car on which this forum is focused, the versa. and out of all the times people have been rude to n00bs asking questions, me and marleyfan get held up like this is a topic to which no one can criticize. and as for saying i simply shouldnt respond or read the thread, i have done that many times. but jeez, dont things get to you sometimes??

[Clipsed]

No, because if I don't like what is in the thread or what the topic is about, I simply don't respond. There is no need for you to post in this thread anymore, as you show no interest, except to insult me. So just go back to w/e it is you do, because this is what I do, and you obviously are problemed by it, or just ashamed of yourself because you have no talents to show or something, I don't know what it is, but I do not wish to reply to your nonsense anymore.

[Ever Victorious]

jeeeeeez! i know im not the only one that thinks almost 99% of your posts are arrogant. you act like some seasoned master craftsman whos teaching us your great ways. id love to see you winning "shows" honestly, but get off your high horse... youre a kid whos daddy took away his versa.

what little bit i have ever posted here was intended to be informative regarding the car on which this forum is focused, the versa. and out of all the times people have been rude to n00bs asking questions, me and marleyfan get held up like this is a topic to which no one can criticize. and as for saying i simply shouldnt respond or read the thread, i have done that many times. but jeez, dont things get to you sometimes??

Apparently you don't understand the phrase "first and last" warning.

I don't always call people out for their rudeness in public posts. However, if there is more than one person (as is the case with you and marley in this case... and trust me, you don't want to follow marley's lead because this is NOT his first offense), then I will post it publicly.

It's not a defense of Clipsed personally. In fact, if you read back to before you were a member, there was a day where Clipsed was #1 on my **** list for his behavior. He has calmed WAY down and now posts a lot of useful little tidbits, and rarely is derogatory of another member unless they dish it out to him first.

[Clipsed]

It's not a defense of Clipsed personally. In fact, if you read back to before you were a member, there was a day where Clipsed was #1 on my **** list for his behavior. He has calmed WAY down and now posts a lot of useful little tidbits, and rarely is derogatory of another member unless they dish it out to him first.

HAHAHA yup I remember those days, they weren't fun! Maybe I should start giving you a hard time again EV for ol-times sake!!! HAHAHA

As for the project, it is coming along nicely. I am doing a quad projector set-up now, I am going to be using Porsche and FX35 projectors, and WOW is it going to be sweet when I am done. I will give you all an update in a few days.

[Ever Victorious]

HAHAHA yup I remember those days, they weren't fun! Maybe I should start giving you a hard time again EV for ol-times sake!!! HAHAHA

You better bring it, then...

[Clipsed]

haha NAWWW I love being apart of this forum too much to wanna get banned . . .

[Clipsed]

You better bring it, then...

wait wtf I swear you just might make it as a cheerleader!!! HAHAHHA

[Ever Victorious]

wait wtf I swear you just might make it as a cheerleader!!! HAHAHHA

You know...

Noone here wants to see me in a skirt. Trust me.

[Clipsed]

OMG BAD IMAGE! YEA I Seen those pics with your new born and family and EEEE I really wouldnt want to see you in a skirt!!!! hahaha

[Clipsed]

Here are a few updated output of what the Porsche looks like with both projectors powered. The other night I went out and took some more pics, but I have yet to get them on my comp and uploaded to PB, but at 50 ft. My light output was wider than the wall which was 80 ft. 4 in. long, my light output was probably about 10 ft. wider that the wall. so you figure at 50 ft. I was lighting up 90 ft. wide of road!







And here is an animation of the effect of the highbeam on a REAL HID Hi/Low beam set-up.





The project as I said is coming along quickly and hopefully it will be completed very soon!
Modified by Clipsed at 11:40 PM 9/3/2007

[Clipsed]

well I was able to complete part of the project, and am able to temporarily mount them on my car and use them to drive with until I am able to get the extra $225 for parts to complete stage 2, which will not be a while since I have money priorities with other things first. Anywho, I will try to get some pics today and will keep you guys posted!

[Clipsed]

Well I have some final output shots, these were taken exactly 50 ft. from the wall which was 80ft. 4in. wide, and the light output was still about 10 ft. wider.



Stock headlights, came out yellow for some reason though, but you get the idea.



And a rolling shot.



That does it for the first part of the project.
Modified by Clipsed at 11:41 PM 9/3/2007

[Clipsed]

Well I finally was able to complete and create a mounting bracket for my headlights to be held on to the car properly (the old mounts were a joke) I was able to get one headlight mounted and everything aimed up properly. It is too hot in Cali though, and it has taken me about 4 days of a few minutes here and there working on everything, because the heat is KILLER! But here is the final output of one headlight COMPLETED! Imagine with the other side mounted and lit! Remember that this is a quad retro, meaning that there are 4 (yes FOUR) HID projectors, normally OEM there are only two, but I am using 2 Porsche projectors, and 2 FX projectors. One Porsche and FX in each headlight.









So what do you guys think, do you think this is something that interests you as a mod on your Versa?

[jquick]

damn clipsed those lights are so clean and clear

[Clipsed]

damn clipsed those lights are so clean and clear

Thanks Jquick, the lights are fuggin awesome dude, I finished mounting them up last night. I just gotta get all the lil things done now. But that is going to be more $ that I don't have right now.