vicki wrote:But but but... he started it! *points finger at Cold_Zero.
*twirls hair with fingers and giggles.
haha......way to try and act all cute and innocent.
I think it would be funny if he hosted and I'd watch it.
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w1ngzer0 wrote:All people think about him as a bad president because of the affair. Thats a truth. They think of that then the other things but....
If i remember correctly he was the first president in years to setup trade with communist china...
He was a bad president well before the affair. To be honest, it has been years since we have had a good president, let alone great.
And yes, Mr. Clinton facilitated the expansion of trade with Communist China. Let us not forget, that Communist Red China is a big contributor to political campaigns in the United States.
Cold_Zero wrote:It is the job of the President of the United States, along with his cabinet to disseminate the information that the intelligence community provides to him and act on it. Do you really want me to start posting up links to scathing documents of how he failed to get Usama Bin Laden or act on the intelligence that he was given? Or the fact that he refused to believe that the WTC bombing was perpetrated by Muslim Terrorists? I think that the press is being very generous to the Clinton Administration in hindsight. My point still stands; Bill Clinton did nothing to strengthen this country’s national security. He cut the budget of the ODCI and NSA and under funded the military.
It is people like you and most of the United States that think that the Economic Policy of a sitting President drives the markets and economy while he is in office. That is ludicrous line of thinking. Typically the economic policy of the past President and sometimes the past Presidents dictate the economy that the current president resides over. In the case of Bill Clinton, I would wager to say that the success that we saw in the mid to late 90’s were a direct result of Allen Greenspan, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Clinton was smart to leave well enough alone and keep Greenspan a Reagan/Bush hold over and let him do his job.
Serious people, we all need to wake up and challenge the bull**** that we are fed by the media and politicians! Stop letting these people turn us into mindless zombies, just like the song “We want your soul” by Adam Freeland.
What does it matter if China contributes money to the U.S.? I don't see the relevance of your statement.
So the military failures are to be blamed on the president and his admin. but the economic successes of his presidency are rightfully credited to Greenspan and Clinton had nothing to do with it? Greenspan is still in office with Bush. Notice the change in the economy? Sure a lot of the stock market boom and economic growth was contributed to the stock market and the whole scandal that went down, but nontheless, it still existed.
There are times when you have to challenge the bs like with Bush and his lies but Clinton was a truly good president. And while I do agree that most Americans do just go with what the news and media tells them, I am not one of them. I've done enough research to believe that Clinton was a good man who just loved getting a littel head on the side.
Ok no more political nonsense. I still think Clinton would be funny on SNL.
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Cold Zero, just read what viki said will be said. The truth has been spoken!
Clinton is my favorite president, and he'd kick *** on snl
btw: this years budget is going to be the largest debt of all time for America, THANKS DUBYA! i wish the repubilcans wouldn't of made that can't be president more than twice admendment... i want Clinton back!
Clinton is my favorite president, and he'd kick *** on snl
btw: this years budget is going to be the largest debt of all time for America, THANKS DUBYA! i wish the repubilcans wouldn't of made that can't be president more than twice admendment... i want Clinton back!
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Quote »So the military failures are to be blamed on the president and his admin. but the economic successes of his presidency are rightfully credited to Greenspan and Clinton had nothing to do with it? Greenspan is still in office with Bush. Notice the change in the economy? Sure a lot of the stock market boom and economic growth was contributed to the stock market and the whole scandal that went down, but nontheless, it still existed.[/quote]
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[quote=" vicki What does it matter if China contributes money to the U.S.? I don't see the relevance of your statement. [/quote] Did you really ask yourself this question? I was under the impression that it was illegal to take campaign funds from a foreign government. But hey, if we cant see the enemy within, we sure as heck can’t see the enemy outside our borders.Quote »So the military failures are to be blamed on the president [/quote] He is the Commander in Chief of this country’s military.Quote »and his admin. but the economic successes of his presidency are rightfully credited to Greenspan and Clinton had nothing to do with it? Greenspan is still in office with Bush. Notice the change in the economy? Sure a lot of the stock market boom and economic growth was contributed to the stock market and the whole scandal that went down, but nontheless, it still existed.[/quote]I told you, Bill Clinton was smart for leaving Allen Greenspan in as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board at least he did something right. Might I point out that the boom in the stock market may be directly linked to companies like Enron and World Comm. that cooked their books (under the watch of the Clinton Administration) to have fake start up companies and false profits.
I will leave it at this:If Vince Foster thinks that Bill Clinton is the greatest President ever, I will admit to such.(anyone care to ask him?)
I will leave it at this:If Vince Foster thinks that Bill Clinton is the greatest President ever, I will admit to such.(anyone care to ask him?)
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90Q45blue wrote:I agree. It would be funny to watch, plus Darrell Hammond's impression was the best president impression on SNL EVER.
Nick
Um, no... I beg to differ....
Dana Carvy's Impression of Bush SR was the funniest crap ever. Too bad he wasnt caught messing around his wife, then there wouldve been comparable material.....
About the "who was better president war".....
The president and his deceisions are directly affected by the party before them. cold is right in think ing that the paarty before has a HUGE deal on what happens with the current president. But in this case it was for the worse.
Clinton set up the economy so beautifully, Bush took all that money and ran it into his personal battle with Iraq.
Cold, about all of those countries you mentioned, What did Bush do? There is still war raging in Africa, the Middle east is worse than ever, and we are thretened by countries all over the world. N Korea, Saudia Arabia, Iran... Ect. And where are we?? In Iraq. Was ther any evidenct on weapons of mass destruction??? No, but all these other countries not only had/have them, they openly admit it. They do most of the work for us, yet we send troops to DIE in a country that didnt need our attention.
Also, Look at military spending. isnt it like 60% of taxes go to the military??? y Is that? Do bullets really cost that much??? No. Its more like the companies that are contracted by the governmet are inflating prices. How can they do this???? by 1. Buying out the politics and keeping them quiet, and 2. being partially owned and operated by the president and vice president themselves.....
Republicans only care about money, And Democrats only care about looking good for the people. Elect me for president, and I will do something that hasnt happened in years, Help the human race evolve.....
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180crafter-I agree with most of your frustrations. A few points though. 1. Democrats care as much about money as Republicans. I find it hard to tell the difference between the two parties. The only way I can keep them separated is the fringe groups that they pander to.2. Bush did broker a piece between North and South Sudan. Unfortunately, right now there is a civil war between the east and west with a body count of 300,000 Sudanese killed and 1million people displaced (The Lost Boys). The UN has been requesting that Sudan send police and the military into Dafur in order to stop the Muslims paramilitaries from burning non Muslim villages. But your comments are correct. This world is in so much disarray and war rages on many continents.
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Before Dubya, we assumed those qualities were required for the presidency.vicki wrote:Clinton was a great orator. He spoke intelligently and eloquently with words that actually exist in the English language.
I think it would be funny as hell to see Clinton host SNL. The guy's got a hell of a personality. He had to go on TV and admit he got head in the oval office from an intern. And people still love him. Now thats character!
"Moving forward", I think its time to "turn the corner"...
I promised Greg I wouldnt post in these kinda threads anymore. But I can still make jokes, right??
I'm going to make my point and swear not to read this thread ever again...
I was a big Clinton supporter and a devoted Democrat for quite a few years, but then I watched my party rally around a man who was supposed to be in charge of the branch of government that ENFORCES the law. Instead, he overtly disrespected the justice system he was supposed to protect. And his Attorney General didnt help either, with one mess after another (Waco, Elian Gonzales).
Despite all of that, I continued to support Clinton all through impeachment, insistent that the GOP was "just investigating his private sex life". Well, Ken Starr was approved by both parties, and he was in charge of investigating Whitewater and other scandals as well -- oops, Hillary shredded some documents! And the sex life? It was in a public place. The oval office for crying out loud, a room where Ronald Reagan didnt feel right removing his jacket.
The Republicans called for Nixon to resign. My fellow Democrats did not do the same for Clinton -- which is fine, but they didnt condemn him either. Instead of saying "He did wrong by lying under oath regarding an investigation" they said "He did wrong by having an affair." Such blatant disrespect for the law, and these are supposed to be the people who WRITE them! And its the silly third-degree sexual harassment laws written by Democrats and signed by Bush Sr in the late 80s that gave tremendous legal backing to this investigation in the first place!
And by early 2000 I came to realize the President I strongly supported through the impeachment ordeal was a schmuck, who wasted his power and influence to cheat on his wife, waste millions of tax dollars on an investigation when he could have confessed, compromised nuclear security, accepted political contributions from China (ILLEGAL AND WRONG!), and failed to take action and cut taxes when the economy started trailing off in late 1999.
Now people whine about outsourcing, the same whiners praise Clinton for opening up to foreign markets. I'm all for free trade, but we can do without the blatant contradictions and damaged logic.
Looking back, Im glad the GOP congress took over in 1994. It removed Hillary's socialist influence and encouraged Bill to govern from the center -- how most people prefer it. I'm also pleased with many of his foreign policy initiatives in the middle east and eastern europe. It was however pretty silly to treat WTC 93, US embassy bombings, and the USS Cole explosion as simply criminal acts. When someone attacks your warship its most likely a sign of war.
Admittedly, we were all too busy running up our credit cards and buying new cars to notice what was happening anyway.
So after years as a loyal and devoted Democrat, I became a Libertarian, ran for public office, got heavily involved in the state and national organization, then ditched when I decided 1) I disagreed with LP foreign policy statements and 2) got all I needed from the third party experience (direct knowledge of how the system works.)
I guess you could say that politically, I've been around the block. For the first time this year, I'm voting Republican. I've seen it from all sides, and while there isnt really a strong reason for hating Clinton, liking him is too often based on ridiculous pop culture cliches about credit booms, and blowjobs, followed by little or no honest analysis.
In the minds of most who are still Clinton-nostalgic:"HE WAS A COOL GUY! THEREFORE HE WAS A GOOD PRESIDENT! HE WEARS BOXERS AND PLAYS THE SAXOPHONE! TEE HEE HEE!"
Blech. Too much MTV for some folks. It serves as a poor basis for proper legal analysis.
-Jesda
I was a big Clinton supporter and a devoted Democrat for quite a few years, but then I watched my party rally around a man who was supposed to be in charge of the branch of government that ENFORCES the law. Instead, he overtly disrespected the justice system he was supposed to protect. And his Attorney General didnt help either, with one mess after another (Waco, Elian Gonzales).
Despite all of that, I continued to support Clinton all through impeachment, insistent that the GOP was "just investigating his private sex life". Well, Ken Starr was approved by both parties, and he was in charge of investigating Whitewater and other scandals as well -- oops, Hillary shredded some documents! And the sex life? It was in a public place. The oval office for crying out loud, a room where Ronald Reagan didnt feel right removing his jacket.
The Republicans called for Nixon to resign. My fellow Democrats did not do the same for Clinton -- which is fine, but they didnt condemn him either. Instead of saying "He did wrong by lying under oath regarding an investigation" they said "He did wrong by having an affair." Such blatant disrespect for the law, and these are supposed to be the people who WRITE them! And its the silly third-degree sexual harassment laws written by Democrats and signed by Bush Sr in the late 80s that gave tremendous legal backing to this investigation in the first place!
And by early 2000 I came to realize the President I strongly supported through the impeachment ordeal was a schmuck, who wasted his power and influence to cheat on his wife, waste millions of tax dollars on an investigation when he could have confessed, compromised nuclear security, accepted political contributions from China (ILLEGAL AND WRONG!), and failed to take action and cut taxes when the economy started trailing off in late 1999.
Now people whine about outsourcing, the same whiners praise Clinton for opening up to foreign markets. I'm all for free trade, but we can do without the blatant contradictions and damaged logic.
Looking back, Im glad the GOP congress took over in 1994. It removed Hillary's socialist influence and encouraged Bill to govern from the center -- how most people prefer it. I'm also pleased with many of his foreign policy initiatives in the middle east and eastern europe. It was however pretty silly to treat WTC 93, US embassy bombings, and the USS Cole explosion as simply criminal acts. When someone attacks your warship its most likely a sign of war.
Admittedly, we were all too busy running up our credit cards and buying new cars to notice what was happening anyway.
So after years as a loyal and devoted Democrat, I became a Libertarian, ran for public office, got heavily involved in the state and national organization, then ditched when I decided 1) I disagreed with LP foreign policy statements and 2) got all I needed from the third party experience (direct knowledge of how the system works.)
I guess you could say that politically, I've been around the block. For the first time this year, I'm voting Republican. I've seen it from all sides, and while there isnt really a strong reason for hating Clinton, liking him is too often based on ridiculous pop culture cliches about credit booms, and blowjobs, followed by little or no honest analysis.
In the minds of most who are still Clinton-nostalgic:"HE WAS A COOL GUY! THEREFORE HE WAS A GOOD PRESIDENT! HE WEARS BOXERS AND PLAYS THE SAXOPHONE! TEE HEE HEE!"
Blech. Too much MTV for some folks. It serves as a poor basis for proper legal analysis.
-Jesda
Cold_Zero wrote:Jesda,Want to form a Political Party with me?The Libertarians would be cool if they didnt condone drug use.
What's wrong with drug use? :p
Jesda - thanks for your intelligent insight. I can't say I'd affiliate myself with any political party. But I'm leaning towards voting for Bush this yr. :oface
