ka24de s13 engine horrible problem!!!! HELP ME!

[costa_rican13]

engine wont start and flooded and then I put new plugs and wires in because olds one were carbon fouled and corroded. I've got spark and obviously fuel. Because I pulled the new plugs out and they were soaked with fuel. But engine will crank but not turn on and run. I have no idea what to do now. This just abruptly happened. I went to a restaraunt and 4 hours later went to start my car to leave and got this problem. Let sit over night at restaraunt came back with new plugs and wires. And nothing.. help me please guys!

[badbob2121]

my s13 did this when i had a bad battery, the car wouldnt start and all electronic would dim and when my electric seatbelts didnt have enough power to slide all the way back and forward, the controller box under the center console would click...

you sure its not the battery? do you have a voltmeter?

[costa_rican13]

Fixed it. It was bad ground. But my starting problem still exists. Spark plugs were soaked with fuel, and all wires get spark but still not starting Any help?

[costa_rican13]

To the top for emergency!!

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Try holding the gas pedal to the floor... it should help clear the fuel out. You can also pull the fuel pump fuse, and then crank it for a while. It should clear the fuel out (and actually start and run for a bit before the fuel pressure dies).

[costa_rican13]

did this ^ and it started for literaly maybe 1 second, then bogged/shook and died. thought the fuel was cleared out. and still wouldnt start at all. just kept cranking, cranking, and cranking and does nothing like i dont have spark but i've already confirmed i do.i did this by sticking a screw driver in the boot and and putting it very close(but not touching) to unpainted metal and then seeing if there was any spark, and confirmed that there is spark on all 4 cyls. i have no idea.. im freaking out because i have college monday and this is my dd. and i hate bumming rides off ppl.

[iggyspeed]

maybe not enough spark?

[costa_rican13]

thats what im thinking, any way to test the ignition coil?? or control module? i work at autozone but we cant test my module because our tester doesnt have the adapter module, -_-. i was thinking wtf?.. seriously.. but my buddy told me i could test my coil thought but not how. somebody know?? i have a print out of the minimum rating of power for the 1st and 2nd coil.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

did this ^ and it started for literaly maybe 1 second, then bogged/shook and died.

Did which part? Holding the foot down, or pulling the fuse?

Try unplugging the MAF and maybe the coolant temp sensor. That should put the ECU into its map mode.

Also, smell your oil. It may be contaminated with gasoline by this point.

[iggyspeed]

thats what im thinking, any way to test the ignition coil?? or control module? i work at autozone but we cant test my module because our tester doesnt have the adapter module, -_-. i was thinking wtf?.. seriously.. but my buddy told me i could test my coil thought but not how. somebody know?? i have a print out of the minimum rating of power for the 1st and 2nd coil.

try to call someone that has the same car or engine have the car over then switch everything that you think the problem is coming from. that should help out alot. if nothing happens then i don't know what to tell you sir.

[costa_rican13]

pulling the fuse, and ok i will smell the gas tomorow morning. and if it is contaminated with gas? then what? i have just have to change the oil?? i also checked the ECU for codes. it gave code 55. which is " nothing is wrong". what is map mode?? and i've tapped the gas while cranking and i think thats what actually flooded it.. im afraid of holding it down.. ive also unplugged the maf and tried starting it. nothing changed.

[costa_rican13]

try to call someone that has the same car or engine have the car over then switch everything that you think the problem is coming from. that should help out alot. if nothing happens then i don't know what to tell you sir.

my buddy is coming tommorrow, and im gona try his ignition control module, and coil. but im gathering ideas from you guys so im not stuck waiting for help or ideas if those dont work, since we will only have a limited time frame since i work from 9-5 and sun is pretty much gone at 7pm.

[iggyspeed]

try to call someone that has the same car or engine have the car over then switch everything that you think the problem is coming from. that should help out alot. if nothing happens then i don't know what to tell you sir.

my buddy is coming tommorrow, and im gona try his ignition control module, and coil. but im gathering ideas from you guys so im not stuck waiting for help or ideas if those dont work, since we will only have a limited time frame since i work from 9-5 and sun is pretty much gone at 7pm.

can you access your ECU? if yes you can try to read the fault from that.

[costa_rican13]

i got code 55 which is "nothing is wrong."

[iggyspeed]

i got code 55 which is "nothing is wrong."

might wanna try to read that again. it might be just "WRONG" lol

[costa_rican13]

well i did it 3 times, the user on here SPLINTERCELL was with me on the phone for almost 2 hours, and he told me 55 was nothing is wrong. i guess he knows since he picked up a new hatch that has the ka24de in it that he's done a lot of work fixing it back up.

[TroubleBound]

After you verify you are getting spark with a multimeter (you can just test for 12+V at the end of the spark plug wire), also make sure you are getting enough fuel pressure. You are obviously getting gas but it may not be enough pressure to start the car, so if you have a pressure tester you can test the pressure if not you an test the resistance on the fuel pump in your trunk to make sure it is okay.

Other than that i would make sure the maf is good and youre getting air.
Obviously only need air fuel and spark to start so try to figure out which one of those you are missing(or don't have enough of) first, and then narrow down which specific part is malfunctioning from there.

[costa_rican13]

thanks! will do!

[PapaSmurf2k3]

So you removed the fuel pump fuse, cranked the car, and it started briefly. You put the fuse back in, right?

Also, you should be getting WAY more than 12 volts at the end of your spark plug wire... it should be in the area of 30,000+ volts.

Yes, if your oil smells like gas, you need to replace it.

[costa_rican13]

Yes I did the fuel pump relay fuse pull, in that order but it didn't start and run. It literally started, shook, then died immediately, well I know I'm getting spark but it wasn't like a lighting spark, it was just a small spark when I put my screw driver in the cable and put a small gap between the screw driver and metal. I'm not sure what the spark is supposed to look like.. but it didn't look to big.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

You put the fuse back in, right?

Answer that question, yes or no, followed by a period. Complete that thought.

You are/were running too rich for some reason. You were dumping WAY too much fuel into the combustion chamber. Pulling the fuse cleared that fuel out. You need to plug it back in to get fuel back in there.

There are only a few things that will allow the engine to dump that much fuel in there. An injector stuck open, a coolant temp sensor are a few of them.

[1sikS13]

unplugg the vacuum line to your fpr, sounds like its stuck open and dumping way to much fuel

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Vacuum to the fuel pressure regulator actually brings the pressure down. The FPR increases fuel pressure 1 psi for every 1 psi of positive pressure.

[costa_rican13]

yes sir. i put the fuse back in. sorry for incompleteness. well i didnt have a cooling problem that i know of before this problem. and would the injector being stuck open just all of sudden happen? because my car was fine when i got to the restaruant and then when i was about to go home this all happened.

[costa_rican13]

how do you check the coil? and control module? i have an ohms meter. but not sure how check them.

[OutToWinPAHC]

FSM EM section

[costa_rican13]

i cant find where it says anything about the coil, or control module in there.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Its in the EC section sorry with reference to other section with page numbers.

[costa_rican13]

it doesnt tell me how to test it.

[OutToWinPAHC]

http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/240sx/91-94/EC.pdf
Page 161 how to check your power transistor and ignition coil
The controller is the ECU which used other sensors. Have you checked codes