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Hey all! Ive been interested in 240's for quite some time but never gained a lot of knowledge about them. I just joined this forum to hopefully learn a bit more behind them and the aftermarket parts that go along with them.

I had a few questions and wasnt sure about where to make the thread about it. First let me start off by saying that I live in Southern California. Im sure everyone knows that theyre real anal about anything car related. Im almost positive that an SR20DET swap is illegal (unless someone knows different and can fill me in) and sticking to the KA to remain legal is what I would want to do. Question I have is whether or not theres an aftermarket turbo kit that fits the KA and if its legal to use in California.


I apologize ahead of time if this is an obvious question/answer. Thanks in advance for any kind of info/help :)


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this has been covered many times...

but i will say anything is legal in CA if you know someone who is "friendly" with smog testing

but generally a sr20det or ka-t are both "street illegal" in CA..... generally

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Yeah I understand that if you know someone who is "friendly" you can get by, but that still doesnt mean its legal. The little research Ive done on the subject leads me to believe that no one actually knows the real answer. Trying to see if maybe I can find someone here who actually has knowledge on the subject.

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awm wrote: Trying to see if maybe I can find someone here who actually has knowledge on the subject.
ok ill make it very simple for you, go to the CA DMV wesbite and look over the state requirements for a smog test... ill let you learn on your own

thats the "real answer" .... :rolleyes:

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lol^. Most people on this site (myself included) will tell you to search if you say "what little research" and phrases like that. begin by reading the DMV site like bob suggested, then wikipedia the 240 and stuff, you'll actually learn a lot. i'm not from cali, nor do i really know any of their rules, but im pretty sure your right in saying that sr20 and ka-t will be illegal.. Check out KA-t.org too.

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Just move out to sunny Florida, where there is no SMOG and you can even run your car on polar bear blood if you want to.. I'd have to double check the laws but it should be cool, I know a guy...

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laxands13 wrote:lol^. Most people on this site (myself included) will tell you to search if you say "what little research" and phrases like that. begin by reading the DMV site like bob suggested, then wikipedia the 240 and stuff, you'll actually learn a lot. i'm not from cali, nor do i really know any of their rules, but im pretty sure your right in saying that sr20 and ka-t will be illegal.. Check out KA-t.org too.

I realize that reading the DMV site would probably yield the most accurate info on the subject, but I thought if I asked here on the boards and find someone who's in the "know" then I could save myself some time. However, I will say that theres a big difference between suggesting ideas like you yourself did or just responding to threads and acting like a smartass like bob did. At any rate, I appreciate your suggestions.

One more quick question while its crossing my mind... Call me a total noob if youd like because I really dont know much about cars/parts/service etc. Im still learning :crazy: . But if I were to take a stock street legal KA and turn it into a KA-T, how difficult/time consuming would it be to turn it back into the stock KA? Reason I ask is because if its a fairly easy/quick thing to do, I could always take that route when it came time for smog etc instead of having to know or find someone "friendly" Again, thanks in advance :)

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badbob2121 wrote:this has been covered many times...

but i will say anything is legal in CA if you know someone who is "friendly" with smog testing

but generally a sr20det or ka-t are both "street illegal" in CA..... generally
awm wrote: Trying to see if maybe I can find someone here who actually has knowledge on the subject.
awm wrote: acting like a smartass like bob did.
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
:wtf2: he was trying to help you and you call him a smartass? :nono: :nono:

SEARCH!!!! :inoutgay:

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If I lived in Cali, this is what I'd be doing:
ka24de-t-ers-california-dream-manifold-t517036.html

No, KA-T ain't legal, but if you do it right... you can disguise your setup so they can't tell you're turbo.

Either do this or start looking for legal swaps like the LSx, VQ35 or VH45.

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s13sickboi wrote:
badbob2121 wrote:this has been covered many times...

but i will say anything is legal in CA if you know someone who is "friendly" with smog testing

but generally a sr20det or ka-t are both "street illegal" in CA..... generally
awm wrote: Trying to see if maybe I can find someone here who actually has knowledge on the subject.
awm wrote: acting like a smartass like bob did.
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
awm wrote:Im still learning :crazy: .
:wtf2: he was trying to help you and you call him a smartass? :nono: :nono:

SEARCH!!!! :inoutgay:

Yeah, pretty much the same thing you're doing. Maybe I should go check out another forum?



Sim, thanks for the link to that thread. Was a really interesting read on things that can be done. Very innovative.

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Nevermind... couldn't think of anything nice to say. Suffice it that bob was actually pretty gracious in answering your question as much as he did.

We don't mean to be d!ck when we say "just use the search!" its just the fact that most of the time the answers to these "noob" questions are just a few clicks away and we get sick of answering them over and over again. So please don't take it personally, and definitely don't start hurling insults at long time members or you wont find much help here at all. Just be cool, use the search when you think "noob question" and when that doesn't work, then post a new thread and tons of people on here will be more than happy to help.

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I agree with both you guys. I think asking questions is perfectly acceptable (awm). However, you need to search things for yourself. Then when you have come to no possible conclusions you may ask a question, therefore you ask the most intelligent question "to your knowledge" and you won't be treated like an idiot (not saying you are btw).

As for CA Smog:
1. You may only swap engines from newer cars with the same engine layout and aspiration. (Transverse>Transverse, FWD>FWD, RWD>RWD, NA>NA)
2. You may only add a turbo is the car itself (USDM), came with a turbo. (MR2 NA>MR2 Turbo)
3. While you may be able to smog illegally, doing a non-domestic or turbo swap is 100% illegal and can (or will) get your car impounded if discovered.
4. Legal swaps must be BAR reffed before they are considered street legal, and these swaps must consist of all smog equipment present from the vehicle it was taken from.

There you go buddy, I hope this helps. And to save you from future grief, research things a little bit more by searching so the angry people here at NICO don't rape you =P. BTW, not all of us are flamers.

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I actually searched google for an hour or 2 trying to find info on the subject. Hence the whole reason of why Im here on this forum.

At any rate, the most detailed info I was able to find was 9 years old from back in 2002 when someone (a guy from this particular forum) had send emails back and forth with a gentleman who either was or had worked for emissions with the state and this gentleman actually did work on imports. The BAR was mentioned but that was about it.

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Bro it doesn't matter if it is legal or not. Just go for it. There are ways around it if it's illegal. They won't come and take ur vehicle and even if by some magical d!ck fairy a cop happens to ask you to pop ur hood, he won't know wut he's looking at. People do swaps all the time and get away with it.

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awm wrote:I actually searched google for an hour or 2 trying to find info on the subject. Hence the whole reason of why Im here on this forum.

At any rate, the most detailed info I was able to find was 9 years old from back in 2002 when someone (a guy from this particular forum) had send emails back and forth with a gentleman who either was or had worked for emissions with the state and this gentleman actually did work on imports. The BAR was mentioned but that was about it.
really? i searched google for a WHOLE 2 MINUTES! and i got exactly what everyone else is saying.

here, ill even give you the EXACT info straight from the feds themselves.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm

i will be AMAZED if you still don't figure it out.

i'm tired you of being an ignorant retard who can't do s*** for himself and has to be spoon fed everything. seriously, i question your ability and integrity to even do anything to a 240sx. 1. you're hella f*** lazy. 2. you don't know s***. 3. you are a f***.

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charat wrote:
awm wrote:I actually searched google for an hour or 2 trying to find info on the subject. Hence the whole reason of why Im here on this forum.

At any rate, the most detailed info I was able to find was 9 years old from back in 2002 when someone (a guy from this particular forum) had send emails back and forth with a gentleman who either was or had worked for emissions with the state and this gentleman actually did work on imports. The BAR was mentioned but that was about it.
really? i searched google for a WHOLE 2 MINUTES! and i got exactly what everyone else is saying.

here, ill even give you the EXACT info straight from the feds themselves.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.ht

i will be AMAZED if you still don't figure it out.

i'm tired you of being an ignorant retard who can't do s*** for himself and has to be spoon fed everything. seriously, i question your ability and integrity to even do anything to a 240sx. 1. you're hella f**king lazy. 2. you don't know s***. 3. you are a f**ktard.


Whare's all the hate coming from he just asked a noob question???

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charat wrote: i'm tired you of being an ignorant retard who can't do s*** for himself and has to be spoon fed everything. seriously, i question your ability and integrity to even do anything to a 240sx. 1. you're hella f**king lazy. 2. you don't know s***. 3. you are a f**ktard.
was that really necessary? way to be a poster child for the whole forum dude... :rolleyes:

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charat wrote:
awm wrote:I actually searched google for an hour or 2 trying to find info on the subject. Hence the whole reason of why Im here on this forum.

At any rate, the most detailed info I was able to find was 9 years old from back in 2002 when someone (a guy from this particular forum) had send emails back and forth with a gentleman who either was or had worked for emissions with the state and this gentleman actually did work on imports. The BAR was mentioned but that was about it.
really? i searched google for a WHOLE 2 MINUTES! and i got exactly what everyone else is saying.

here, ill even give you the EXACT info straight from the feds themselves.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm

i will be AMAZED if you still don't figure it out.

i'm tired you of being an ignorant retard who can't do s*** for himself and has to be spoon fed everything. seriously, i question your ability and integrity to even do anything to a 240sx. 1. you're hella f**king lazy. 2. you don't know s***. 3. you are a f**ktard.
I thank you for this my friend. You can't buy a car and want to be an enthusiast and mod it without having some sort of motivation. You have to want to do something for yourself. Life's not all rainbows and unicorn farts. Grow up you spoon fed baby.

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turbonxsx wrote:Whare's all the hate coming from he just asked a noob question???
he asked a noon question and responded with smart a** comments when his question was answered

i have no pity, burn him :weak:

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badbob2121 wrote: i have no pity, burn him
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ron says: let the witch hunt begiiiiin!! :rotflmao
badbob2121 wrote:this has been covered many times...

but i will say anything is legal in CA if you know someone who is "friendly" with smog testing

but generally a sr20det or ka-t are both "street illegal" in CA..... generally
what else do you want to hear? :gotme bob f*** answered you, right away too. wasnt being a d!ck at all...i dont understand people these days, if it isnt the asnwer you want then it must be wrong apparently...
you live in cali dude, everythings illegal. but you can still do it, if you have the money and know the right people and can get a hook up on the smog test.
if you dont have these things, then leave it alone. stick with the ka and forget the turbo.
s*** not rocket science.

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UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460
ENGINE SWITCHING FACT SHEET
UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460
March 13, 1991
OFFICE OF AIR AND RADIATION
Pursuant to frequent requests for information received by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA) regarding the legality and effects of engine switching, this document will summarize federal law
and policy pertaining to this matter, and will discuss other related issues.
A. Federal Law
The federal tampering prohibition is contained in section 203(a)(3) of the Clean Air Act (Act), 42
U.S.C. 7522(a)(3). Section 203(a)(3)(A) of the Act prohibits any person from removing or rendering
inoperative any emission control device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine prior to its sale and delivery to an ultimate purchaser and prohibits any person from
knowingly removing or rendering inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and
delivery, and the causing thereof. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section by a
manufacturer or dealer is $25,000; for any other person, $2,500. Section 203(a)(3)(B) of the Act
prohibits any person from manufacturing or selling, or offering to sell, or installing, any part or
component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine where a
principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, and where the person
knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or is being installed for
such use. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section is $2,500.
EPA received many questions regarding the application of this law to a situation where one engine is
removed from a vehicle and another engine is installed in its place. EPA's policy regarding "engine
switching" is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. lA
(Attachment 1). This policy states that EPA will not consider any modification to a "certified
configuration" to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that emissions
are not adversely affected. In many cases, proper emission testing according to the Federal Test
Procedure would be necessary to make this determination.
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A "certified configuration" is an engine or engine chassis design which has been "certified" (approved)
by EPA prior to the production of vehicles with that design. Generally, the manufacturer submits an
application for certification of the designs of each engine or vehicle it proposes to manufacture prior to
production. The application includes design requirements for all emission related parts, engine
calibrations, and other design parameters for each different type of engine (in heavy-duty vehicles), or
engine chassis combination (in light-duty vehicles). EPA then "certifies" each acceptable design for use,
in vehicles of the upcoming model year.
For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty eng~ne into a different light-duty vehicle by any
person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regard to all
emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of
the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that
emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A. The appropriate source for technical
information regarding the certified configuration of a vehicle of a particular model year is the vehicle
manufacturer.
For heavy-duty vehicles, the resulting vehicle must contain a heavy-duty engine which is identical to a
certified configura- tion of a heavy-duty engine of the same model year or newer as the year of the
installed engine. Under no circumstances, however, may a heavy-duty engine ever be installed in a
light-duty vehicle.
The most common engine replacement involves replacing a gasoline engine in a light-duty vehicle with
another gasoline engine. Another type of engine switching which commonly occurs, however, involves
diesel powered vehicles where the diesel engine is removed and replaced with a gasoline engine.
Applying the above policy, such a replacement is legal only if the resulting engine-chassis configuration
is equivalent to a certified configuration of the same model year or newer as the chassis. If the vehicle
chassis in question has been certified with gasoline, as well as diesel engines(as is common), such a
conversion could be done legally.
Another situation recently brought to EPA's attention involves the offering for sale of used foreign-built
engines. These engines are often not covered by a certified configuration for any vehicle sold in this
country. In such a case, there is no way to install such an engine legally. EPA has recently brought
enforcement actions against certain parties who have violated the tampering prohibition by performing
illegal engine switches.
It should be noted that while EPA's policy allows engine switches as long as the resulting vehicle
matches exactly to anv certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the chassis, there are
some substantial practical limitations to performing such a replacement. Vehicle chassis and engine
designs of one vehicle manufacturer are very distinct from those of another, such that it is generally not
possible to put an engine into a chassis of a different manufacturer and have it match up to a certified
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configuration. Therefore, practical considerations will generally limit engine switches to installation of
another engine which was certified to be used in that same make and model (or a "twin" of that make
and model, e.g., Pontiac Grand Am and Oldsmobile Calais). In addition, converting a vehicle into a
different certified configuration is likely to be very difficult, and the cost may prove prohibitive.
B. State Laws
Many states also have statutes or regulations prohibiting tampering in general. Most of these laws
specifically prohibit tampering by individuals. A few specifically prohibit engine switching, using
provisions similar to those stated in EPA's policy. To determine the state law in any given state, the
state's Attorney General's office should be contacted. In addition, many states have state or local
antitampering inspection programs which require a periodic inspection of vehicles in that area, to
determine the integrity of emission control systems. Many programs have established policies for
vehicles which have been engine switched. While EPA does not require these programs to fail engine
switched vehicles which are not in compliance with federal policy, the Agency does strongly
recommend that these programs set their requirements so as to be consistent with the federal law. State
or local programs which pass illegally engine switched vehicles may mislead federally regulated parties
into believing that engine switching is allowed by federal law.

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i seriously think its just one bitchtard creating multiple accounts asking dumb a** questions and replying with smart a** comments. i take no pity and disrespectful people, i will be as brutal as i want. all i did was say the things everyone was thinking and wanted to say.

shiiiiiiiettt i remember when i was first on here. i made ONE thread introducing my car. TWO pictures. that's it. didn't ask for anything. i KNEW that a forum was a collective wealth of knowledge and all i had to do was SEARCH! i spent a whole 8-9 moths LURKING. not a SINGLE post for that whole time. i found EVERYTHING i needed. i don't get kids these days. wanna be spoon fed everything and wants exactally what they ask for.

you are ASKING A GOD DAMNED QUESTION BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW SHIIIIIITTTTTTTT! IF YOU AREN'T HAPPY WITH THE ANSWERS YOU'RE GETTING, DONT BE A SMART a** AND TRY AND ARGUE WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE WAY MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN YOU, WHO ASKED THE f*** QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU ARE STUPID. YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE ON THIS FORUM AND YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE ALIVE. CRAWL BACK UP YOUR WHORE OF A MOTHER'S VAGINA AND ASK HER TO GET A BACK ALLEY ABORTION.

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Funano wrote:Just move out to sunny Florida, where there is no SMOG!!!!!!!
FLORIDA!!!!!!


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