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Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...=6770h ... .=6770look decent, and great price...but they obviously have their years wrong because those seem to be for the same engine. Anyone able to tell which is for KADE s13?

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

Ahh nevermind, i can tell by the flange which is for KADE. They look like decent headers and cost less than 1/3 the price of hotshots. I may end up getting them.

Post by **Nismo1182** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

They look alright. hopefully they wont be like pacesetter crap.

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

Yeah, finish would be the first thing that would show the cheapness. If I got them I would probably wrap them and then use the silicone spray to seal the wrapping.

Post by **91nis240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

yeh those header defenatly are not for a ka24de motor!! The part of the header that conncets to the head does not match up at all!!! There is not that gap between the 2 and 3 cylinder on the DE.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

crap!!!!

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

No, the one set im pretty sure is for KADE...lemme link to just that one.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...=6770the flanges on that one look like my KADE flanges

Post by **Structure240sx** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

yea that first set looks right for KAE but they look like pacesetters. if you dont care about looks and are goin to wrap them then i guess it would be a good deal. i just cringe when i hear pacesetter

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

yeah, i dont like low quality stuff either but 360 dollars for headers for a 4cyl engine is excessive

Post by **encasemyheart** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

Man that HEADER doesn't look too good, Hotshot's HEADER definately looks better, but then again, this is 1/3 the price like you said. :pface

We have a header, V6/V8/whatever has more than one header, making them have headers. We just have one.

Post by **bruinbear714** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

I don't know how much those header will end up selling for, but enjuku has (had) the HS header for $320 SHIPPED. Good deal if you ask me, compared to the $400 (including s/h) that everywhere else wanted.

I have the HS in my car for about 5 months now and had no quality problems whatsoever.

Post by **TomsMR2** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

and whats wrong with pacesetter?

pretty = rice.

i could care less how my header looked. the ONLY thing ive heard wrong with pacesetters is that the welds arent the best in some cases.. which is EASILY remedied by about 10 minutes of weld reinforcement.

if those are pacesetter designed, they look good. no tight hard bends etc.

you should look at the primary pipes layout, and collector diameter when looking for a header. for $130, you could fully reinforce the welds and have a quality header... i dont see the problem.

if its a matter of 1 or 2 hp, and $200, id rather have the ugly ones...

Post by **f8sjester** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

*sigh*. . . here we go again. . .just my thoughts on the matter so flame away if you want. . .

pretty does NOT always = rice. . . if it's pretty AND functional then it's definitely not rice in my eyes. even better, if it's pretty AND functional AND has quality construction then, d*mn, I'm one ricey MF'er since i'll put that on my ride any day of the week! (if only i could afford the above mentioned parts. . . . )

um. . yeah. . . no flaming. . . i'll shut up now. . .

Post by **TomsMR2** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

if you're into performance, you should be wrapping your header anyways... i dont know about you guys, but i drive around with my hood closed, no one can even see the engine.

Post by **Jays90240SX** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

One thing I noticed today, on Pacesetter's website, they have 1 1/2 inch primaries, and 2.5 inch collector stated for the KAE.

And I have read that the hotshot was 2.25 inch, for the price difference, and if it's actually 2.5inch for the pacesetter, I rather get that IMHO.

Post by **TomsMR2** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

everyones so quick to bash pacesetter.. but from talking to people who actually own them, ive heard very very few negative comments.. the major one that comes to mind was the poor welds, which the guy remedied quickly before even installing them.

if you're right about the 2.5in collector, there might even be an advantage! ive been getting mixed stats on the collector/primary size.. ive seen 1 3/4 primarys and 2.25 collector.. and the 1.5 prim/2.5 collector, so im unsure... i was getting stats from summit/jc whitney tho.

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

I dont think anyone was quick to bash it. Most of the people who say bad things have either owned one or know someone who did.

Post by **nnkfws333** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

heh those look like pacesetters to me. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone after seeing an S13 with one. The black paint or whatever chipped off in a week, it didn't line up correctly for installation, and its starting to rust.

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

this is an old post, im suprised that ebay auction is still there even. As for those headers, they are 100 dollars. If you want a little more performance than stock they wouldnt be a bad buy. Repaint them with some high temp black ceramic paint and they would be ok. You get what you pay for is generally true though.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

1. you get what you pay for.2. any company that proclaims "obx quality" is a sad, sad excuse for a manufacturer, I can make better quality stuff in a friends machine shop.

-chet

Post by **drift-sx** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

TomsMR2 wrote:if you're into performance, you should be wrapping your header anyways... i dont know about you guys, but i drive around with my hood closed, no one can even see the engine.

well i hope you buy cheep ones cause when you wrap your headers you are asking for breaks and ****, wrapping your headers , yes increases performance, but also hold a hell of a lot of heat in, so the hot air has a better velocity but if yuo are jsut using them for street use then there is no real reason for that, try ceramic coating. so yes liek i said before i hope you are buying cheep ones cause then it won't cost you as much to replace

Post by **TomsMR2** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

wrapping keeps velocity up, drastically reduces engine compartment temps, and helps keep things quiet. its a good idea.

the black paint will burn off QUICK, its not supposed to last.

say they did last a year (they will last alot longer).. its only 100 bucks.. and cracks can be repaired.

i still seriously doubt pacesetter vs hotshot will yeild drastically different gains... im guessing ~2 hp -\+... oh yeah, pacesetter has a bigger collector too.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

just a quick point:you say not to use wraps, but a ceramic coating does the same thing as a wrap, keeps the heat inside the header and out of the engine bay.....there just differen means to an end, thus, the effect on the headers life(shortened, typically due to crappy materials) is the same.-chet

Post by **TomsMR2** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

^ ceramic coating is no replacement for true wrapping. it *does* help, but definately not to the extent that wrap does.

so... does anyone have pics of their cracked/malfunctioned pacesetter?

Post by **240nismo** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

where can i find some header wrap? my headers make my whole engine compartment hot, and i can feel it on the floor when i drive bare-foot!

Post by **Rownan** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

Header wrap holds heat in, that's all it does. It does NOTHING for flow through the header. The excess heat can cause premature breakage of the metal also. If that's worth the cooler temps in the engine bay to you, then go for it. Don't suggest that we do it. I am running a hot shot, unwrapped, and I bet I have cooler engine bay temps than you can imagine. It's called "optimization" of the airflow!

Pacesetter is pure crap. Plain and simple. You want to use them, go ahead! I won't be. The fit is garbage, they rust horribly, and are generally poor quality. These $100 ebay headers are probably worse.

If you want cheap parts, buy a honda. You can get all your performance parts from the APC section in Autozone!

Post by **nnkfws333** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

lol good one Rownan about the Honda and APC

Post by **JJ240** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

Just so you know retaining heat in the headers helps the exhaust gasses escape. When hot the gasses expand which leaves less open space so theres less turbulence. It increases exhaust gas velocity which does help the exhaust flow. And as far as saying pacesetter are crap that is somewhat ignorant. I have heard people say things about hotshot fitment too and yes they own them. 320 dollars for one header for a 4 cylinder engine is excessive. A set of nice hedmann headers for an 8 cylinder mustang doesnt even cost as much as hotshot for our car. If you buy a set of pacesetter headers just strip the black paint on them and put on some nice ceramic based high temp paint. It will last and prevent them from rusting. They flow better than stock although maybe not quite as much as hotshot or S&S. For 150 dollars +5 dollars for a can of ceramic paint I believe it is as good of a deal as hotshot because your performance will be ALMOST as good as hotshot. I dont mind people bashing pacesetter because the product is inferior to hotshot because it is. But to say its pure crap is ignorant. It has its pluses and they are higher performance than stock and high cost-performance gain ratio. FYI hondas arent cheap either they have some of the best engineered engines ever made. people make over 200HP easy on little 1.8ltr Honda engines when we can barely break 200 doing everything possible besides forced induction and re-engineering the head.

Post by **Rownan** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

JJ240 wrote:Just so you know retaining heat in the headers helps the exhaust gasses escape. When hot the gasses expand which leaves less open space so theres less turbulence. It increases exhaust gas velocity which does help the exhaust flow. And as far as saying pacesetter are crap that is somewhat ignorant. I have heard people say things about hotshot fitment too and yes they own them. 320 dollars for one header for a 4 cylinder engine is excessive. A set of nice hedmann headers for an 8 cylinder mustang doesnt even cost as much as hotshot for our car. If you buy a set of pacesetter headers just strip the black paint on them and put on some nice ceramic based high temp paint. It will last and prevent them from rusting. They flow better than stock although maybe not quite as much as hotshot or S&S. For 150 dollars +5 dollars for a can of ceramic paint I believe it is as good of a deal as hotshot because your performance will be ALMOST as good as hotshot. I dont mind people bashing pacesetter because the product is inferior to hotshot because it is. But to say its pure crap is ignorant. It has its pluses and they are higher performance than stock and high cost-performance gain ratio. FYI hondas arent cheap either they have some of the best engineered engines ever made. people make over 200HP easy on little 1.8ltr Honda engines when we can barely break 200 doing everything possible besides forced induction and re-engineering the head.

I was not bashing hondas in any way! Yes I agree they have some of the best engineered engines ever made. But they also have the largest aftermarket support of any car in existence. If there was even a little bit of that product research put into the KA on a professional level, it would not be quite as difficult to get horsepower out of our engines. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it goes.

But still, Pacesetter is crap. :oface

But buy what you want. If you want $100 headers off eBay, go for it.

Post by **Rownan** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:13 am

Quote »THE BEST OF THE BEST:

RACING HEADERS!!!!!

NISSAN 240 SX 2.4L

1991 - 1996 ( KA24DE )

HIGH END , MODIFIED

BIGGER FLANGE

STRONGER STEEL

BIGGER PORT!

Includes:

HEADERS

DOWNPIPE

GASKETS

BOLTS

COMPLETE INSTALL KIT

RACING HEADERS FOR

ENGINES

1991 - 1996

240 sx 2.4L DOHC

THIS IS A HIGH END PERFORMANCE PART FOR GREAT POWER GAINS!

THESE HEADERS HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE US BEFORE - THEY ARE FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM FOR HUGE POWER GAINS!

HUGE BORE = QUALITY

CHECK OUT THE SMOOTH TRANSITION FROM 4-1 [/quote]BTW, I was unaware that the KA24 was made in the UK? As we all know, they get the 200sx over there in europe.... Hmm. :pface

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