CHATROOM: 2nd Gen Rogue Remote Start

[andygold]

Tonight, I finally put a down-payment on a 2015 Rogue SL AWD with Premium Package in Black/Almond. The big issue is that the dealership is 275 miles from my home, and the first time I'm going to see my particular vehicle is the day I fly down to pick it up. Hopefully, it's pristine and perfect!!!!

I spoke with the dealership, and they said that most of their Rogues are sold with remote start added ($450 installed, don't know if I have to donate a key). I believe they do it themselves at the dealership, but I'm not 100% sure. They tell me that they have the remote start hooked up through the Nissan OEM keyless-entry key fob, and that no aftermarket fob is needed. IIRC, they said that you click the unlock button 3 times and the car will start. It seems nice to not have to have a second fob on my already heavily loaded keychain, but they tell me the range when doing it this way is only maybe 40 feet max. They tried to convince me this is "a good thing", so I don't have to worry about being at a stadium, or mall, for example, and accidentally starting my car which is 1/4 mile away. This type of setup is a one-way only setup, and the only confirmation that the car started would be to stand there within 40 feet of the vehicle and look to see the car's lights flashing. As an afterthought, I wonder if this will unlock the door, and give access to passersby, or if 3 pushes will only start it and hopefully not unlock it.

I asked if they had the ability to use an aftermarket fob with 2-way communication, that would give me some type of confirmation on the fob and with 1/4 mile or similar range (in case I do want to start the car while seated in the stadium, or mall or beach, whatever, and then it will be warm (or cool) when I finally make it to my vehicle. They said they would have to check, as everyone before me wanted it built-in to the Nissan fob, and I was the first to ask... Hmmm

So, if it is possible to get it either way (nissan fob, or separate fob)...which do you think is better, and why? Very short distance through the Nissan fob, or very long distance through a one-way or possibly two-way fob?

And, as a separate question (I also don't know if any of this is actually doable, but if I was able to get the aftermarket fob, and there were extra function buttons, what would you hook up to the other button(s). For example, roll windows down, or tilt sunroof, etc...

BTW, the 2 people I spoke with knew nothing about the DEI (Viper, Clifford, Python, Auto Start, etc...) brand, where you can put an app on your cellphone, and start the car from basically anywhere in the world, as long as you have cell service.

I hope to get some relatively quick answers, as they will be installing the remote starter in the next day or two (hopefully I never have an issue with it, as I don't want to have to drive 275 miles to troubleshoot it. And as an asides, the one and only local stereo/alarm place was going to charge about $600 for a separate fob, bare-bones 2-way + a donated key type starter, and the 2 guys behind the counter were arguing as to how it needs to be done...so I don't think I want to go there...

[SHAYE13]

Hey man

First congratulation on your new Rogue

Second I would recommend a two way remote starter if you live in a cold area like I do or warmer its better thought.
If you just need to start your car park in your driveway in the morning you could get the dealer's starter which I would personally not recommend as Nissan intelligent key has a very annoying short range.
I have a VIPER 2WAY with LCD display on the 13 Rogue I drive and the range I get is more than enough and I also have an alarm as most two remote starter do so if some douche bump my car which usually happens in winter I get a warning on the viper remote plus the car alarm will go crazy.

Btw I paid $500 Canadian in Montreal,Qc to get my viper install with an extra 2 way remote and the module and it was done via a recommended viper installer so I get three years warranty.

And for extra functions on the viper and most other alarms with remote starter you can get anything from windows up and down , turn on/off your defroster or/and ac ,silent lock and unlock , and bypass of sensors if they are going crazy , mine goes off every time a big truck or bus drive by when am park on major road as my shock sensor is set to a high sensibility.
Also I don't know where you live but you can check for your local VIPER installer on their website same for Compustar.
cheers

ASH

[frapjap]

Your last paragraph made me LOL.
Congrats on the new Rogue purchase. It sounds like the dealer is adding something on to make a few more bucks, but if you want it, don't sweat it.

$600 is somewhat common for an aftermarket install on one of the premium alarms that can roll down windows, start the car, unlock one or more locks, etc. Their price isn't off too bad, but I definitely wouldn't have it done there if they're aren't sure. Granted, these things come with instructions, but still.

To answer your questions, I've had both and find that I prefer the aftermarket type. I had one that used to page me up to 1/2 a mile away if the alarm went off. It only did once and I was sound asleep, so a lot of good that did me! It was bulky, too. However, I find that I prefer the simple 1 key if available. It sucks to replace, but so would a new fob considering it'd be on your key chain anyway.

Honestly, it comes down to personal preference and what you need. Remote start is sweet though- nothing like getting in a toasty car that you started from inside the house on a cold day.

[andygold]

Shaye13...I'm about 50 miles south of you in Plattsburgh. So our weather is quite similar. It was the DEI brand guys (Viper, Python, Clifford, Auto-Start, etc...) who were going back and forth as to how it could be done, and what equipment would be needed due to the push button ignition, and proximity-key unlocking.

I found a second location that installs I think it was DSE starters. They use only that brand as they're made in Montreal, real close by in case of issues...
They checked with DSE, and were told there's no software solution yet that would avoid the need to donate a key. They called me back today, and said that they couldn't put one in as they didn't know how to make it so the donated key wouldn't allow someone to just get in the car and fire it up. They also wondered how to lock the doors since the donated key is still sitting somewhere inside the vehicle. Basically, they don't want to work on it until DSE comes up with a software solution that avoids the need to donate a key.

And after kicking it around since yesterday, i decided that there's really very little advantage to the nissan fob starter due to the meager 40 foot range. I'd only be able to use it at home or at work. Any place else...there's no sense in using it, as i'd have to be less than 40 feet, for example, while walking to my vehicle in a huge parking lot, if its only going to start a few seconds before i reach the vehicle.

[SHAYE13]

So i did check with all the experts i know and my friend at idatalink and he told me that they did take a look at the NEW ROGUE systems but its a work in progress ,
I guess your only bet is the key inside the module LIKE YOU SAID for now or your have to wait,
But he told me that a lot of german and even jap cars have the same issues , BMW'S,AUDI'S ETC have a donator key inside the module.
Basically someone won't be able to start your car or unlock it if the install is done correctly.

What i can say is If you can find yourself a decent installer go for it, Its a common thing for german cars.


http://cdncontent2.idatalink.com/corpor ... 140328.pdf

^LINK ABOVE ARE INSTRUCTION FOR INSTALL FOR 2014 ,NOT SURE IF SAME TO 2015 THOUGH ^^^^^^

[outtolearn88]

Hello, Well yes sometimes we have to wait for the aftermarket to get caught up ..... We know the 2014 is all new vehicle, have to give it some time as to have more options available.

Let all share the information we have, so as we can all make better choices.

Thanks again everyone !

[Nammer403]

Hey guys, I am getting a remote start installed in the next few weeks but just curious should I get a new key made?? or just use my spare since I am the only one who drives it.

[mdreuben]

I would always want a second key... just for peace of mind.

Which remote start are you going with?

[Nammer403]

I would always want a second key... just for peace of mind.

Which remote start are you going with?

2 way Compustar 703....for $5xx
I probably will get the additoinal set of keys made the dealership was quoting 180 for it which isnt too bad
It was a bit ridulous that the dealer was quoting 1000+ for the same starter and installation which they outsource..I went to their direct source

[rebound2]

I had an "Auto Mate" remote start installed and after I got it back the driver's side outside lock switch wouldn't lock the car on the first, second and sometimes 3rd or 4th try intermittently. I took the car to my dealer and they ended up disconnecting the remote start and then it was supposedly fine (after having it 10 days ). They took it back to the company who installed the remote start and they put a new one in the car. Now it's really no better than it was and sometimes it fails to remote start the car - it will just flash a red light and make a nasty sound. I had a Viper on my old Maxima and it worked great but the Max was in its last year of the design cycle and they didn't have to "bury" a key in the car. So I'm really disappointed and am going back to the Remote Start place on Monday. Anyone else have issues with a remote start, especially the Auto Mate?

[deb1262]

I am thinking about having the dealer install a Nissan approved remote start. It will not interfere with the warranty. My questions are about the operations. She said that when the car is started, get in and shift the car without putting foot on the brake because car will shut off. So basically if I want to put in it drive and there is a car behind me...I will back into it unless I fling it into drive very fast. This does NOT seem right to me. How can you shift without the foot on the brake? So, do I have to shut the car off then back on just to use it? If this is the case then I will go without.

[ImStricken06]

I am thinking about having the dealer install a Nissan approved remote start. It will not interfere with the warranty. My questions are about the operations. She said that when the car is started, get in and shift the car without putting foot on the brake because car will shut off. So basically if I want to put in it drive and there is a car behind me...I will back into it unless I fling it into drive very fast. This does NOT seem right to me. How can you shift without the foot on the brake? So, do I have to shut the car off then back on just to use it? If this is the case then I will go without.

she is a moron. you cant shift, without first pushing the brake in order to unlock the shifter. but if you push the brake, you shut the car off.
so the only option: take out the manual key from the remote, put it in the ignition, turn to the 2nd to last setting, and then go about your way.

[deb1262]

I have push button start.

[ImStricken06]

I have push button start.

then you might have to push the button till it reaches the ACC section

[deb1262]

Push the button without stepping on the brake which over rides the remote start. Then I can put my foot on brake and shift. That's what I thought but wanted to make sure. Thank you.

[ImStricken06]

Push the button without stepping on the brake which over rides the remote start. Then I can put my foot on brake and shift. That's what I thought but wanted to make sure. Thank you.

do you have to push the brake now, in order to start the car?

[deb1262]

yes. You brake and push start then the car starts.

[ImStricken06]

yes. You brake and push start then the car starts.

then you'd have to do the same with the remote, thus shutting the car off. unless some remote start is programmed to not need the brake. this is more complex than anyone here can answer; unless they themselves have the exact install

[deb1262]

Ok, then I have to shut it off then restart. That seems ridiculous to me. I think I'll pass on it. The reason I was posting this was in hopes that someone had a dealer installed after factory remote start.

[Nammer403]

If it helps...Im getting a remote starter installed in a week. I have the push start as well...Mine is not through the dealership but I did go to where they outsource it. So I can update you once it gets installed.

[deb1262]

Can you please update me on the above procedure after it's installed? That would be great. Thanks.

[psyman42]

yes, please update on the status and if possible the location and device that's being installed. I've did some research on remote starts and so far all I found was:

1. dealer doesn't install factory remote starts for this car (also got that answer from my dealer as well)
2. Third party option requires a FOB key to be placed within the car and once you enter a remote started car, the engine kills itself and you gotta start the car again as normal to drive off.
3. One person on this forum received their car from a dealer in Northern Jersey and the dealer installed a remote start prior to delivering the car as per request by that buyer.

[zengshengliu]

1. dealer doesn't install factory remote starts for this car (also got that answer from my dealer as well)

I got my dealer to install mine but they have 3rd party to install it instead of doing it themself (2008 Rogue)

2. Third party option requires a FOB key to be placed within the car and once you enter a remote started car, the engine kills itself and you gotta start the car again as normal to drive off.

For my understanding, if it requires a FOB key to be placed inside the car, then you don't need to keep the engine to restart and drive.
In my case, I don't need to, and don't want to put a keyfob inside the car, thus after I started the car with the remote, I have to kill the engine and restart it before I can drive.

[Leo2005]

Find a dealer (maybe in Canada) from fortin.ca or DIY caz they include all the harness manual ...seems to be a good deal:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH-XXBgK5uE[/youtube]
Another option is possibly to get nissan oem pathfinder remote start but can't guarantee if the fitment would work with plugs on 100%: http://www.leeparts.com/nissan_pathfind ... start.html
Everything you mentioned reminds me my nephew's old car when his ignition cylinder stopped working and I have installed push button for him in his '95 corolla caz he was dirt cheap. I still can't get my mind working right how the f*** I came up to that idea [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbwO4IuJ8SI[/youtube]

[rajthejaswi]

Hi Rebound2,

You may have seen this already, but here is a conversation on remote starts with Rogue. See the postings around #30 or so.

2014-rogue-with-remote-start-t583468.html

[psyman42]

zengshengliu wrote:

2. Third party option requires a FOB key to be placed within the car and once you enter a remote started car, the engine kills itself and you gotta start the car again as normal to drive off.


For my understanding, if it requires a FOB key to be placed inside the car, then you don't need to keep the engine to restart and drive.
In my case, I don't need to, and don't want to put a keyfob inside the car, thus after I started the car with the remote, I have to kill the engine and restart it before I can drive.

I'm only stating what I read from someone else on the forum that got their remote start installed via a third party, I believe it was a VIPER product that was installed. Said it was mildly annoying to have the car engine killed once he opens the door then have to press the push button start.

Your 2008 Rogue does it have push button start? So far from what I read, based on 2014 Rogues, that its the push button start/FOB that is causing the problems with having a regular remote start function. If these were Keyed systems, then there wouldn't be any problems.

Leo2005 wrote:
Another option is possibly to get nissan oem pathfinder remote start but can't guarantee if the fitment would work with plugs on 100%: http://www.leeparts.com/nissan_pathfind ... start.html

THe one person in Northern Jersey that got his remote start installed did mention the dealer took the remote start from a Pathfinder and installed it into the rogue. Though I would like to know that if this is possible then why isn't it used across Nissan? There's gotta be a specific reason that they aren't using it across the nation.

[irap]

I just had a remote start installed in my wifes 2014 Rogue.I was told by the dealer that they had to send the car to a third party to have it installed.I was instructed to shut off the engine then restart it before driving. If I failed to do this ,I could stil drive the car however the engine will shut off automatically after 15 minutes.I think this very dangerous though.I have a friend who drives a 2013 Mitsubishi Outlander with remote start as well.He also needs to press the start button twice, however ,the difference is that if you fail to press the button and you try to drive the car,the car's engine will autumatically shut off thus you won't be able to drive the car at all. I think that this is safer because you won't be able to drive the car if ever you forget to press the start button twice.Now I don't know what to do. I don't want my wife to use the remote start because I dont think its safe for her to use it because she might forget to turn off and to restart the engine before driving (quote="zengshengliu"]

1. dealer doesn't install factory remote starts for this car (also got that answer from my dealer as well)

I got my dealer to install mine but they have 3rd party to install it instead of doing it themself (2008 Rogue)

2. Third party option requires a FOB key to be placed within the car and once you enter a remote started car, the engine kills itself and you gotta start the car again as normal to drive off.

For my understanding, if it requires a FOB key to be placed inside the car, then you don't need to keep the engine to restart and drive.
In my case, I don't need to, and don't want to put a keyfob inside the car, thus after I started the car with the remote, I have to kill the engine and restart it before I can drive.[/quote]

[zengshengliu]

Your 2008 Rogue does it have push button start? So far from what I read, based on 2014 Rogues, that its the push button start/FOB that is causing the problems with having a regular remote start function. If these were Keyed systems, then there wouldn't be any problems.

No, but i have a keyless entry system, which means I don't need to take the key out to start the car.
If I remember correctly, it is because if you start the car without the key inside the car, it has something (forgot what it call) to prevent car from shifting and/or turning the steering wheel. So a system is needed to bypass it by placing a key inside the car.

[Nammer403]

Okay so an update
Got my remote started installed by a shop the dealership I purchased outsources to.
Two way 703 compustar model
So i had to give up a key fob pretty common anyways.
My car does not cut its power once. I am in the car and hit the brake. By hitting the brake it activate that I am in the car and ready to go. (Kind of like turning the key twice). I have tried to step on the brake without the key fob on me and it shuts off the power
Hope this helps many of you
I'll give an updateof any problems I have if any.

[Leo2005]

I ended up installing fortin start remote a week ago by myself. Works pretty good with oem remote. Pretty easy installation. Got it done in 1.5 hours.